The Old and Overgrown Methylone Thread (11-2002 to 2-2007)

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[ILLBEGOODTHISTIME]

The way I normally know if it´s M1 is that it smells like NO other RC smells! It has a very recognisably sweet smell, almost like vanilla or something. It´s such a strong smell that it goes right through the plastic bag it´s in.

so in holland when they were (are?) selling the explosion, there wasnt any vanilla scent added? that was the natural smell?

if so I would say thats a pretty good indicator for telling if something is methylone... more or less

 

[djfriendly]

Actually, it smells quite a bit alike (although not exactly) to the other bk-MDxx's. The smell is similar to root-beer IMO.

Explosion was definitely scented (and dyed). After drying the residue was green and still stank of cheap vanillin.

 

[Chaos_the_dog]

Actually, it smells quite a bit alike (although not exactly) to the other bk-MDxx's. The smell is similar to root-beer IMO.

Explosion was definitely scented (and dyed). After drying the residue was green and still stank of cheap vanillin.

Hmm well I don´t think you´re right there... I´m not talking explosion vials here. This is the hcl of M1. Yes, the explosion vials were deffinently added something BUT the hcl DOES smell like it IMHO. I meen, when I first got a hcl sample I perfectly understood why they got the idea of making the "explosion" of vanilla scent as a room odorizor, simply because it already has a very special smell. Everytime I get a new batch of M1 the smell is there... a strong smell. That´s why I´m so sure of this.

MGS what is your oppinion on this subject?

 

[fizzacyst]

When I got my methylone, I got enough to last a while, so I cannot comment on variance in smells between batches. But the compound I got was an off-white, on the grey-yellow side, and had a smell that reminded me of acetone... but much, much milder and "sweeter" if that makes any sense.

I've come to believe I may not have had the best stuff though.

 

[Blowmonkey]

That´s why I´m so sure of this.

You might be sure of something, but others are refuting your claim. Methylone doesn't always have this vanilla scent you're talking about. It should NOT be used as an indicator. Use djfriendly's method or deliver some of the stuff at a testing service, the latter is actually the only way to make sure.

Btw, I've had methylone on 2 consecutive times now and I found ~200 mg far too much. I could do with half of that.

 

[fizzacyst]

Are you sensitive to other compounds of this nature?

Would you get the full effects at 100mg?

I notice that there is basically no diff between 200 and 250mg, aside from kicking up the "cracked out" feeling a bit. Less than 200mg, though, and it just doesn't do it for me.

 

[Blowmonkey]

Are you sensitive to other compounds of this nature?

Nope, not really. I used to be able to take quite a bit of MDMA without really over-doing it.

Would you get the full effects at 100mg?

Not the full effects, but the most pleasurable. It's pretty much comparable to your experiences with 200-250 mg. Sure, 100 mg doesn't give me the full effects, but it's not far off. The only real difference between 200 mg and 100 mg is that 200 mg gives me far more excessive stimulation, which I really could do without.

 

[fizzacyst]

The overstimulation is a big downer for me. I don't notice it at all, for about an hour-hour and a half. Then the warm fuzziness turns into a too-much-caffiene feeling.

If it weren't for that, I'd probably use it more often. Its always an internal battle before dosing, whether or not I want to put up with with that jittery feeling.

 

[Coolio]

The stimulation's my favorite part - I like to dose higher just to get that effect. I tried methylone again recently, and found it so odd. It's less and less like MDMA every time I try it.

 

[trip.more]

how about combining it with LSD?

 

[Morninggloryseed]

I tried methylone with some LSD. I wasn't too impressed with the trip...but I did not take a full dose of methylone (and I find that less than a 'full dose' is not worth the time) and I wasn't in a setting conducive to experiencing a profound state of consciousness.

While I find methylone has all of the potential far inducing a deep entacogenic and empatheogenic state that MDMA has. However, when it comes to being combined with other psychedelics to produce a state of extreme anbentheogenic potentialI find it does not live up to MDMA . I don't see methylone ever producing the kind of state I get with 2C-B and MDMA or LSD and MDMA. I have no interest in trying methylone again with a psychedelic PEA...last time I mixed it with something, it was 2C-I. And it was a weird trip....

from a MGS report
Finally, I once took one hundred-fifty milligrams of methylone one-hour into a twelve milligram 2C-I trip. As the methylone came on, I felt great for about twenty minutes but slowly I started to feel horrible (general feeling of illness, ‘strung out’ feeling) and for some reason the methylone seemed to cover up the 2C-I completely. Even the visual effects of the 2C-I disappeared. Odder yet, I really didn't feel high on the methylone either. Perhaps it was a 'beth' state, as described in PIHKAL.

Around three hours into the experience, the methylone let up and the two materials synergized nicely leaving me in a very clear, useful, and quite profound psychedelic state. It reminded me a lot of MDA. I was with a friend who also had taken 2C-I, but not methylone. We connected very nicely and enjoyed many deep and insightful conversations, and both of us had several spontaneous, but sadly short, out-of-body experiences throughout the night. Wonderful experience but not worth the initial discomfort I experienced getting there. I will never mix 2C-I with other psychedelics again.

I would not oppose trying methylone again with LSD (but in a better setting) or one of the short-acting 4-substituted tryptamines. But my conclusion at this point is methylone is best experienced neat...without adding other substances (not counting pot, and of course a shot of ketamine at the end of the peak.)

 

[djfriendly]

Hmm well I don´t think you´re right there... I´m not talking explosion vials here. This is the hcl of M1. Yes, the explosion vials were deffinently added something BUT the hcl DOES smell like it IMHO. I meen, when I first got a hcl sample I perfectly understood why they got the idea of making the "explosion" of vanilla scent as a room odorizor, simply because it already has a very special smell. Everytime I get a new batch of M1 the smell is there... a strong smell. That´s why I´m so sure of this.

Where I used the word Explosion I meant "Explosion", where I used the word methylone I meant "methylone". I thought I was pretty clear. We slightly disagree about what it smells like, no big fuckin deal man.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Actually, it smells quite a bit alike (although not exactly) to the other bk-MDxx's. The smell is similar to root-beer IMO.

Explosion was definitely scented (and dyed). After drying the residue was green and still stank of cheap vanillin.

I've never worked with the "Explosion" concoction, but I have worked with three batches of methylone. One came with NMR and GC/MS analysis, and with the second, a friend performed GC/MS and TLC...and determinded it to be pure. The third has not had any analysis, but having tried it...I believe it to be of excellent quality.

Anyway, the point is I thought the smell was like 'maple.' But I can see where it would also smell like rootbeer (makes sense considering the essential oil in rootbeer.) I can also see where someone would think it smells like vanilla....but I always labeled the smell as 'maple-like.' Either way, it is pleasant smelling stuff.

Oddly enough, I have never noted any odor with MDMA...and I have been lucky enough to work with 100% pure MDMA of known purity. Does pure MDMA have the smell? I've heard some say it smells of safrole...but maybe that is just some unreacted precursor?

 

[fizzacyst]

The MDMA that I've had and known through laboratory analysis to be pure did not have any smell. Many of the precusor chemicals from the common routes to MDMA synthesis are quite strong (and pleasant) smelling, and it would not take much leftover in the end product to make it smell.

 

[Chaos_the_dog]

You might be sure of something, but others are refuting your claim. Methylone doesn't always have this vanilla scent you're talking about. It should NOT be used as an indicator. Use djfriendly's method or deliver some of the stuff at a testing service, the latter is actually the only way to make sure.

You´re absolute right, that´s not a safe way to be sure of anything. I always, with M1, make a testdose of 100mg before jumping into the 200´s with new batches. But I use the smell as an indicator for me knowing if I´ve got the right stuff. It´s the only chemical I know of that has this smell...-that´s more what I meant.

 

[Chaos_the_dog]

Where I used the word Explosion I meant "Explosion", where I used the word methylone I meant "methylone". I thought I was pretty clear. We slightly disagree about what it smells like, no big fuckin deal man.

Yeah we can talk smell or odors for years if that´s what we want. It´s a matter of opinion and how each individual interpret smells.. No need to raise your voice buddy 8)

 

[Chaos_the_dog]

About combos with M1, the only very successful ones I´ve had were with 5-meo-dipt and 4-FMP. Anyway it seems to be very individually what people experience but most report of bad experiences with M1 and literally most other substances.

 

[cerebral_cortex]

i took this from another message forum (www.drugs-forum.co.uk):

SWIM and SO are very fond of 2C-I and M1, separate or (preferably) together.

T=+0:00 10mg 2C-I
T=+1:00 75mg M1
Peak at T+2:30
Terra firma at T+5, (someone has to be able to drive to Taco Bell!)

This is not cast in stone, as all is a "work in progress". So far, this particular dosing schedule has shown to have several phases that are all quite enjoyable, but SWIM and SO would be interested an any information that would assist in the timing.

This combo inevitably leads into about 1.5 hours of spectacular, breath-takingly beautiful lovemaking (after almost 20 years together, SWIM and SO are pretty damn good at it).

To be honest, SWIM and SO are not really looking for the secrets to the universe, they are looking for ways to reinvest in the collective happiness of their commitment to each other. SWIM knows of several other couples who re-commit using similar methods.


and a response to the above post:

swim can vouge for above, 2c-c+m1 also good combo. high (for him) amount of 2cc about 60mgs, follow 2 hour later with 280mgs of m1. felt great but the m1 will shorten it up so be ready to go when you take the m1 swim says.don't fart around. get all those emotions out then. it's all right.

 

[Walked on the Moon]

anyone here try 5-meo-mipt and methylone? i know about the adulterated hospitalization and i'd wonder what a safe combo of the two would be