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The Old and Overgrown DOC thread (fixed)

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SWIM think there was a bit much hype but it is a nice research chemical. Some people enjoy it a lot and have very powerful experiences from average doses like 4mg but like SWIM, some people need a bit more material to break through so more research will need to be done to come to any conclusions about DOC. For SWIM the cards are still on the table and the verdict is not quite in yet, but it looks like DOC has a lot of potential.
 
DivineMomenT said:
Why has this chemical just been "discovered" It just seems odd that all these unresearched chemicals have been around so long, yet DOC has just gained extreme popularity in the last few months. I remember seeing a post asking about it, then a few weeks later everyone on the block had tested it! Just seems kinda wierd, is there a legitimate explination or is it just about what supply companies offer.

Before a few months ago very few bluelighters had researched DOC and now there is 45 pages of chat about it and it doesnt look like things are slowing down.
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It could be that some people are higher in the supply chain.

For instance a person heard from a supplier that he will be getting DOC in soon. That person comes on BL and asks for any info on it. Then the DOC hits the market and is available to a larger amount of ppl. Those ppl share the DOC with friends and there you go now everyone has tried it.

Thats how it is with alot of chems. DOI was the same.
 
yaesutom said:
Well if Shulgin is right about psilocybin and that the phosphoryloxy group has to be chopped off and for psilocin to be active, but the acetoxy group doesn't (4-aco-mipt/dipt or the HO versions are different drugs), then its possible 4-AcO-DMT might feel a tad different, since it can get into the brain before any conversion to HO.

Uh, guess this is off topic :).
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psilocybin once ingested looses the phosphorus atom converts into psilocin which differs from DMT by one oxygen.
 
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a couple quick questions of DOC, the first one is about drug interactions. is it safe to combine DOC with another 2C compound? i don't know enough to speculate, but it seems like i've heard in the grapevine that it may not be wise to combine the two. maybe it was that i heard it cannot be combined with MDMA, is there any basis to this?

the second is about tolerance, most psychedelics produce a pretty potent tolerance very quickly, how does this relate to DOC? i saw that someone posted earlier about taking it for a week.
 
2C Extraordinary said:
a couple quick questions of DOC, the first one is about drug interactions. is it safe to combine DOC with another 2C compound? i don't know enough to speculate, but it seems like i've heard in the grapevine that it may not be wise to combine the two. maybe it was that i heard it cannot be combined with MDMA, is there any basis to this?

the second is about tolerance, most psychedelics produce a pretty potent tolerance very quickly, how does this relate to DOC? i saw that someone posted earlier about taking it for a week.
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well ive heard its great in combo with 2c-x compounds. I forgot where the post or thread that was posted that will answer your questions, hopefully someone else will be able to help you out. Search your answer lies in this forum.
 
I've read a report on Erowid about a guy taking I think 2mg of DOC and after about 6 hours he took a regular dose of 2C-I and he said the 2C-I trip was extraordinarily visual and intense. it was overall a pretty positive experience from the writer's standpoint. However, I'd imagine that you'd need to be careful about the dosages, because although DOC is very gentle on the body and doesn't seem to increase heart rate much, both drugs (DOC and 2C-x) have some stimulant aspects to them and you wouldn't want them to combine and cause a dangerous cardiovascular situation.
 
^It seems like the tolerance factor lasts. It might have something to do with the fact that it is an amphetamine, I am not sure. A friend of mine discovered DOC a few months ago and took it every 3 weeks. He kept having to up the dosage about 2mg to achieve what he did the time before and took it in 16mg with less of an effect than his first 3mg dosage. Take that as you will. He attempted a 10mg dose 3 nights ago and only remarked that he felt uncomfortable the whole time with some slight visuals that were plastic in nature.

He has stored the chemical in ethanol in the freezer, and has had it for 6 months so I don't think degradation was a factor.
 
What about IV'ing DOC? Reason would just be to hopefully cut the duration down somewhat, although its not quite like the 2c-x's that alpha-methyl keeps it from metabolizing..

But, I noticed with DOI at least, snorting is the way to go. Also the dose doesn't change all that much, a little lower dose and the duration is cut down (and you come up in ~5-10 mins instead of hours). So i'd assume IV'ing DOI would cut the length (..and come up time!) down a little more but it would still lasts some hours.
 
I'm pretty sure a change in a subjective effect like you mention results more from your own mindset than a chemical tolerance. Hard to say though. It seems like the real tolerance changes are just in duration/intensity. Do you think that the loss of euphoria and shocking-awesomness could come from increased familiarity with the state of mind?

For me the only tolerance effects are if I'm taking it daily it will start to feel about a half mg weaker, like the 1mg doses feel like a half; two feels like 1.5. Then if I quit for a day its back to usual, and if I quit for a couple days its almost a reverse tolerance effect, like I'm more succeptible to it than the first time I took it.
 
GreenBarts said:
The body load from DOC is nothing at all. I got minor pains from DOI, muscle tension and shit. Anyone else notice this?
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yes I noticed the same thing. With DOI I noticed a sharp pain in my stomach. It was not like nausea though. There really wasn't a body load just a very uncomfrotable feeling in stomach area. It would come and go and eventually it just went away for good. I didn't feel like I was going to puke or anything though. It was pretty painful though. The trip was pretty mild with 2.5mg DOI. There was no introspection just mild visual perception changes like tracers, trails, bengind and breating. I have never tried 2.5mg of DOC but I would think that it would be better than the same amount of DOI. Maybe the stregnth of the trip changes a lot with just 1mg or so, so if I ever tak DOI again it would be at 3.5 or 4mg. I was very unimpressed by 2.5mg. I just couldnt sleep after a while. It would have been okay if I was tripping but the trip was mild at best.
 
Yeah, me too. DOC is amazingly gentle on the body... it has virtually no bodily side effects for me whatsoever, even during the come-up. It gives me crazy body rushes of sensation sometimes, but that's all.
 
While I certainly didn't come up with any great revelations, I found this drug profoundly useful for these types of contemplations in physics.
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I spent many hours towards the end of the peak thinking about the problem of consciousness. I had some debates with people over the usefulness and validity of quantum theories of consciousness, and when I came down a little, I read some papers by Francis Crick and Roger Penrose on the topic of consciousness, and found it easy to understand the concepts and writing, though fairly difficult to concentrate.

One of the few compounds that I find facilitates abstract thinking and the ability to grasp and formulate new concepts is 2C-T-4, though it seems to induce something like a manic & obsessive quality to this ability. (I spent hours reading the bible and several philosophy of religion papers, but my drive to do so was not intellectually-based, rather, I somehow felt compelled to do so; I find it difficult to explain.)
 
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the whole ability to grasp non euclidian geometry is the miracle, of course you can't just jump to proofs and dense math. You cant intuitively figure out the math behind euclidian geometry either, even though a child can grasp that quite easily.

The whole thing with psychedelics opening the understanding of science or some serious aspect of human cognitive behavior is that the drug makes the context of the problem clear- all the real work is still left to you to struggle through. However, the ability to understand the context of such shit (writing physics programming) is a power that many people have called genius in the past. When somethings understood at that level, the brain opens all sorts of doors when you're actually putting in the hours learning it.

This is all my 2cents tho, and so far I havent really been able to conceptualize or get any deep good shit out of pot videogames and beer, even though I trip a lot.
 
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