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The Old and Overgrown DOC thread (fixed)

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Im fairly positive it is actual DOC. I got it from a well known and reliable supplier. Also it doesnt feel like DOI but is active in low doses.
I think the nausea may have something to do with it being disolved in alcohol. I heard that makes a difference. And also stomach contents.

I should also add that me and friend usually vomit from psychedelic (she has ulcers and i have just grown to expect it for the most part.) And the survey showed that quite a few ppl vomit from this one. You gotta remember that we all react differently to chemicals. We even react differently to the same chemical from time to time.
 
GreenBarts said:
Shit dude its just really hard to believe if that was a buffalo cop he would have gotten pinched. on the reelz, ive been arressted for alot less then that shit. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Yea seriously I thought the same! He didnt get charged with anything since he was out of his mind I guess they felt bad for him. He was all cut up and shit he had to stay int he hospital overnight and even had to get stitches.
 
Cat Again said:
I should also add that me and friend usually vomit from psychedelic (she has ulcers and i have just grown to expect it for the most part.) And the survey showed that quite a few ppl vomit from this one. You gotta remember that we all react differently to chemicals. We even react differently to the same chemical from time to time.
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totally true, but it doesnt stop me from being paranoid!

as far as my wild and crazy and utterly unconscionable use of DOC goes, I started posting about it in my bluelight journal. Maybe it'll get intersting when I go crazy like some of ya'll predict.
 
I seriously doubt that taking DOC sublingually will have any noticeable differences from just eating it.

as for making blotters, there are already a number of threads on this subject. unless you're planning on selling it, I don't see any point in going through all of the hassle of making blotters.
 
I do doc sublingually through blotters. I think putting it on paper was worth it because I really like the design and the ritual of drug preperation.
 
So all of you are claiming that DOC, unlike almost every other lipid/membrane soluble alkaloid i've ever heard of, does not get absorbed at a substantially faster rate sublingually as opposed to orally?....

What I'm saying is, every psychedelic I've tried has been absorbed about 60% faster sublingually (only a little bit slower than nasal absorption) as compared to orally. I think the reason some people have inconsistent experiences with sublingual dosing is because it's so finnicky (it's hard to keep the powder in one place, it's hard not swallow saliva, etc etc.)

The reason I want to make blotter is that I want to suck on something a little more "stable" (e.g. a piece of paper) when I'm trying a sublingual dose, as opposed to dropping alcohol in my mouth or wiping powder under my tongue.
 
while dont know from experience id imagine it come stronger and faster. If not then it would probably be sign it is first metabolized into something else.
 
fastandbulbous said:
I am utterly sick of trying to protect people from their own greed & stupidity at the moment
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you cant protect against stupidity, you can only warn them. its unfortunate that the situation is the way it is because stupidity is something humans have alot of ;) people like this are ruining a good thing that responsible explorers could of enjoyed for a lot longer. I'd be writing the same thing you did if i was in your position.

You do an awesome job, i've learnt quite alot from your posts. i'm sure you have saved quite a few people from a bad mistake in these forums. Even if you have to repeat yourself every day. perhaps you could get some buttons on your editing window that prints answers for common questions to make the job easier? like "shut up n00b and read the FAQ" :)

and now i'll just insert my obligatory whinge that 10mg of DOC is quite dull for me. you lucky bastards with your 3mg++++ ;)
 
DOC seems more inconsistent than I'd imagine. I wonder how many people are getting impure DOC? For me, 4mg is amazingly intense, though nothing that suggests a +4 would be possible for me on it. nevertheless, it's a heavy, rolling +3 for many hours. I do have to say, though, that I haven't yet had a DOC experience that I could take anything particularly useful from aside from lessons in living more simply. It just seems to lack the spiritual side that others like 2C-E have for me. Perhaps I need to dose at a higher level, but 4mg was almost overwhelming... in a good but at times slightly alarming way.
 
a +4 does not depends on the dose you take.
I got one in communion with a friend on 4.4mg & him was on 3mg.
and I got a +2 @ 2.75mg before this experience.
 
lysergication said:
a +4 does not depends on the dose you take.
I got one in communion with a friend on 4.4mg & him was on 3mg.
and I got a +2 @ 2.75mg before this experience.
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^I aggree.


Concept- posting something based on complete conjecture really doesnt add to the discussion. 8)
 
I understand that a +4 is not dependent on dose. I'm just saying that I have not yet sensed anything remotely spiritual about DOC. It is really very calm and controlled for me. I just don't sense that it has that capacity at the level of effect I am getting from it. This isn't to say I don't love it, because I do, but I just haven't yet reached any sort of level that seems particularly deep.
 
concept said:
while dont know from experience id imagine it come stronger and faster. If not then it would probably be sign it is first metabolized into something else.
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You guys should do a little research...I thought this was common knowledge

Taken from PIHKAL on DOB

A fascinating finding is that DOB goes first and foremost to the human lung where it accumulates for a couple of hours. It is only afterwards that the brain level builds up. There is a strong implication that some metabolic conversion occurs in the lung, and it is only after this that the truly active metabolite is available for central action. This is consistent with the relatively slow onset of effect, and the very long duration of action.

We can assume the same is true for DOC, which is why sublingual wouldnt have a noticably quicker action than oral.
 
folias said:
I also found I was also to go deep into releasing limitations based on conceptions or images I had made of life before I was five years old... very strong releases here...
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wow. Thats pretty rad!

Stolaroff's using psychedelics wisely really shocked me, as it describes how I've been using DOC perfectly.

The most infallible guide to Shadow material is our uncomfortable feelings. Many do not like to use low doses because these feelings come to the surface. Rather than experience them, they use larger doses to transcend them. But these uncomfortable feelings are precisely what we must resolve to free ourselves from the Shadow, gain strength and energy, and function more comfortably and competently in the world. By using smaller amounts and being willing to focus our full attention on whatever feelings arise and breathe through them, we find that these feelings eventually dissolve, often with fresh insight and understanding of our personal dynamics. The release of such material permits an expansion of awareness and energy. If we work persistently to clear away repressed areas, we can enter the same sublime states that are available with larger doses—with an important additional gain. Having resolved our uncomfortable feelings, we are in a much better position to maintain a high state of clarity and functioning in day-to-day life.

I would also like to add a word about frequency: Individuals vary greatly in their frequency of use of these materials. Some are satisfied with an overwhelming experience which they feel is good for a lifetime. Others wish to renew their acquaintance with these areas once or twice a year. Still others are interested in frequent explorations to continually push their knowledge forward. Regardless of the frequency, it is wise to make sure that the previous experience has been well integrated before embarking on the next one. Early in one's contact with these substances, where there is a wealth of new experience, this may take several months. As one becomes more experienced, the integration time grows shorter, and the interval between trials may be shortened.
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I'm all about low doses to make myself uncomfortable. Also, I feel i can ingegrate a low dose in about 24 hours, sometimes way faster, sometimes longer.
 
may I add that this stuff is great in the gym. the amphetamine side of it really comes out if you want it to.
 
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