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The Old and Overgrown DOC thread (fixed)

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damn man sillyness. It is going to be a while before I touch anything again. I have a lot to integrate from my latest trips (been doing too much lately and need to calm down). I did 60mg of 4Aco-MiPT last night and a funny thing happened to me. first 5 hours was really mellow and pretty uneventful barely even made ++ then suddenly on the fifth hour bam I shoot up to an immediate +3 bordering +4. A major psychotic schism occured inside my head and it felt for hours I was fighting a war inside my head (at first with a second repressed personality and next the ghost that lives in my pantry somehow actually got into my head and started fucking around in the house big time). It was pretty crazy. Lots of very insane stuff. In short a psychedelic ass whomping complete with extra planar interference from spirits aliens and my own third person perspective voice in my head.
I need to integrate it all before I touch anything again and thats probably going to take a good month.
 
I did 60mg of 4Aco-MiPT last night
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This is the big and dandy DOC thread though. =D

please be sure to include in any discussion of your dosing that you have previously dosed in lower levels working up and that you have recently (or currently) take various Rx medications.
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He took, in chronological order: 4-10-12-20 mg. He just seems to have a high tolerance.
 
psychicpsycho said:
damn man sillyness. It is going to be a while before I touch anything again. I have a lot to integrate from my latest trips (been doing too much lately and need to calm down). I did 60mg of 4Aco-MiPT last night and a funny thing happened to me. first 5 hours was really mellow and pretty uneventful barely even made ++ then suddenly on the fifth hour bam I shoot up to an immediate +3 bordering +4. A major psychotic schism occured inside my head and it felt for hours I was fighting a war inside my head (at first with a second repressed personality and next the ghost that lives in my pantry somehow actually got into my head and started fucking around in the house big time). It was pretty crazy. Lots of very insane stuff. In short a psychedelic ass whomping complete with extra planar interference from spirits aliens and my own third person perspective voice in my head.
I need to integrate it all before I touch anything again and thats probably going to take a good month.
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Yes 4aco Mipt does have the ability to surprise a fellow at highish doses, i've had my arse kicked once or twice. Excellent psychedelic though.

zophen.
 
yes yes, but im still waiting to take my 12mg of DOC. but im working 6 days a week. oh well probably holiday vaction or something?
 
markler, did you get your doc tested by a lab?

doc sounds like a looser for you.

have you tried doi?
 
i had 6mg of DOC and the entire trip i had this really annoying like "brain eating" feeling that prevented me from enjoying the experience. I wonder if that effect would still be present at a much more conservative dose (say 3-4mg)? The visuals OEV and CEV were spectacular at times but i couldnt relax to enjoy them.

Could fairly heavy Ecstasy use the night before have played a part in the negative effects?
 
actually i found side effects worse at smaller doses. my frist dose of 2mg had the worst outta my 5mg and 8mg trips. figure that one out
 
More reports came in. Another one with stomach cramps and no visuals. Looks like about one in fifty individuals will have these adverse effects. :(

crOOk
 
cyalume said:
Could fairly heavy Ecstasy use the night before have played a part in the negative effects?
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I think there's a good chance of it.... the kind of seratonin depletion caused by heavy ecstasy use, especially the day after, could very well cause your brain to physically feel like shit during a DOC trip (which will no doubt stretch what little resources your brain has left).

Especially if the ecstasy contained amph / meth-amph as well as MDMA!
 
crOOk said:
More reports came in. Another one with stomach cramps and no visuals. Looks like about one in fifty individuals will have these adverse effects. :(

crOOk
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Stomach cramps and no visuals... sounds like a rough ride ;)
Hell I've eaten low quality LSD with those effects...


But seriously, I think more than 1 in 50 people will have adverse effects from DOC that will cause them to never want to eat it again. But I do agree that this is a clear minority of people, and I have yet to witness or hear of someone having serious adverse effects that would cause me to think this chemical is really dangerous -- at least beyond that of having a couple too many drinks or pep pills.
 
What im interested in is if people that have had previous good trips on it will eventually have similar negative trips as the ones reported. I am wondering if maybe its not just the person but the drug itself panning out an odd dosage curve and randomly giving out ill side effects.

There could be a lot involved in this whole negative trip thing. Obviously though it will take time to learn if it is in fact just certain individuals having these effects or actually just a different strokes curse of some sort.
 
what about something that has been eaten before doc was taken; other medication, alcohol etc... Those factors to, mite be causing these side affects.

So Far no one I know who has tried it, has experienced any side affects. except for not being able to sleep!
 
I went walking downtown where I live for a little (escorted a friend to a bar) while i was on 9mg (note minor paranoia being outside). She was at the house for a good 3 hours and could not even tell that I was on drugs. My gf could not tell either until about 4 hours into it when she noticed me gazing into nothingness. I could do anything completely normally with little if any trouble.
 
blab said:
markler, did you get your doc tested by a lab?

doc sounds like a looser for you.

have you tried doi?
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the place where i get it from has it lab tested, and yes, i do trust this guy. i know for a fact that its me and not the batch...

I havnt tried DOI, but 2c-i is dead boring, and i havnt heard of DOI producing the visual state i wanna be in (i have a reason for this) so im not that interested in getting something that will last longer than DOC and doesnt produce that magical state.

i will gratefully submit to scientific testing to figure out why some people are hard heads. if only that was legal! :D

maybe i should 'ask shulgin' maybe he'd know...

:X
 
I probably said this before, but anyway I tried 2mg, then 6mg (spaced out over a couple hours), and then 4mg.

The 4mg all at once was more intense of a trip than 6mg spaced out.

None of the trips gave me any body load or side effects to complain about. Physically I noticed no substantial difference between 2mg and 4mg and 2+2+2mg ... they all felt somewhat like a clean dose of LSD mixed with a very clean and smooth amphetamine. The body energy and physical effects were downright dwarfed by the psychedelic effects.

My heartrate was elevated only slightly. There are, in fact, few drugs which have less side effects for me. Especially considering DOC's long duration, I am amazed that it is so smooth on my body. It feels *much* better than DOI.
 
gloggawogga said:
He takes antipsychotics, like seroquel for example which is a 5ht antagonist. Thats why he needs so much.
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I've been off that shit for almost a month now. I'm on nothing. I've been mostly sober from even opiates. So that argument doesn't work anymore.
I don't even take any sleep aids.

I could feel the mad amphetamine like adrenaline-ness pulsating through my hands and torso the whole next day and slightly the day after...it was pretty uncomfortable though..like the feeling you have when you hit a funny bone..but prolonged...i simply MUST have benzos or opiates, or preferably both on hand when i do DOC to end the trip after maybe the 15-18hr mark max.

And yeah to illumanati. I plan on another 20mg trip. I need some maybe benzos next time so im not up for 2 days recovering! I worked my way up from 4mg to 8 to 10, 12, 12, 12, 20.

And the last time i did 12 i WAS on seroquel. but didn't take it for a couple days prior since it has a 24hr half-life i believe... But shit 20mg blew me out and about like i never expected.

I got a couple and by that i mean like 2, random violent twitches that almost felt like borderline siezures, where my whole head about my neck jerked really hard for a split second...and i vomitted right around the 2.25hr after ingestion mark. It's impossible for me not to vomit after eating the raw powder...and the dose i eat it at. same with mushrooms too though..well im not guarenteed to puke on shrooms, but almost always do...and my trip always starts as im puking my guts out on both...it's like a cleansing.

And to anyone that thinks DOI sucks...that sucks to be you! DOI is a very interesting chemical...one of the most visual states, next to a heavy snorted DPT trip was a heavy snorted DOI trip. It was like the back of Nirvana's Inutero album, i think that's the one, with the mangled and tangled fetuses and flowers and shit all in a colliding collage....cept more detailed and included random crinkling colorful candy wrappers and other shit that is simply too fast and much in detail and unearthly to explain.
 
I went walking downtown where I live for a little (escorted a friend to a bar) while i was on 9mg (note minor paranoia being outside). She was at the house for a good 3 hours and could not even tell that I was on drugs. My gf could not tell either until about 4 hours into it when she noticed me gazing into nothingness. I could do anything completely normally with little if any trouble.
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Are all psychedelic phenethylamines that way with you or just DOC? How about tryptamines? What you are saying sounds alot like:

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Both the chronology and the nature of the action of a drug are unmistakably apparent. But you still have some choice as to whether you will accept the adventure, or rather just continue with your ordinary day's plans (if you are an experienced researcher, that is). The effects can be allowed a predominant role, or they may be repressed and made secondary to other chosen activities.
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marklar_the_23rd said:
the place where i get it from has it lab tested, and yes, i do trust this guy. i know for a fact that its me and not the batch...

I havnt tried DOI, but 2c-i is dead boring, and i havnt heard of DOI producing the visual state i wanna be in (i have a reason for this) so im not that interested in getting something that will last longer than DOC and doesnt produce that magical state.

i will gratefully submit to scientific testing to figure out why some people are hard heads. if only that was legal! :D

maybe i should 'ask shulgin' maybe he'd know...

:X
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I also found 2c-i to be an uninteresting chemical. I could get to a +3 with it but it did not feel as intense as other psychs I have used. No personal or spiritual insight and not much fun(for me).

It is possible that neither DOC or DOI is very visual for you but for me they are the most visual psychedelics I have ever taken. On DOI outside at night it looked like I was on another planet. Tree leaves were flapping butterflies or thousands of eyeballs. Fractals shot off everything way out into space. There was so much movement and growing/shrinking visuals that it was hard to walk.

The visuals are not nearly as important as mental effects to me and neither DOC or DOI disappointed me their. I did not think I would like DOI as much as the 2c's before trying it but I was wrong. With DOI I completely lost contact with my body on multiple occasions. I've had one trip each with DOI and DOC that showed me how my personality formed from a very early age. Back to when I was 3 or 4 years old. The DOC trip did it a little better than DOI. Both of those trips were dysphoric, sometimes extremely. The DOC trip also caused feelings and thoughts that my mind was being damaged and violated. That was with 5mg.

With DOI I have felt an amazing clarity and feeling of understanding life and the universe each trip. All but one time the feeling lasted at least 2 or 3 hours. With DOC I have felt some ego loss but not to the degree that I would from mushrooms. Neither chem felt stimulating at all to me.

Neither chem produces any significant side effects other than nausea. The nausea with DOC is maybe a little worse than DOI but neither enough to make me puke. Some people are getting some bad side effects though.

Only things I like more than DOC and DOI are Mushrooms(probably) and DXM(maybe, not sure).
 
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