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The Old and Overgrown DOC thread (fixed)

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Listen to what nanobrain saying. People react differently to drugs. Unless you have a human clinical study that shows a side effect profile for DOC, you can't tell me these experiences are anomolies.
 
agreed nanobrain. Any drug can cause any type of reaction in a wide enough variance of people. I have seen people go out of control on 15mg of 2C-I and 15 mg doesnt even phase me. I have seen people have violent reactions to a single xanax for craps sake.
DOC is a high end psychedelic on par with the best (if not one of the best).Expect varying effects. The crystals whisper softly: eat me and I will sing you to heaven or twist you to hell. It is all in what your body decides to do with it.
 
DOC solubility/shelf life/solvent questions

Looking forward to researching with this praised chem. I just have a few questions, if anybody is able and willing to answer...

Because of the tiny dose, I intend to dissolve the material into a liquid medium before ingestion, rather than weighing each dose. I'm considering 100mg/10mL distilled water. This way, I could load 10 1mL diabetes syringes with the solution, and each syringe would contain 10mg DOC. Then I could dose out of the syringe with the ratio 10 units (meaning 0.1 mL) = 1 mg DOC.

First, has anyone tried dissolving DOC to this high of concentrate? I assume it would work, because I've been able to dissolve 50mg of DPT into 1 mL of water, for injection purposes, and that's 5 times as high concentrate, yet I don't know if DOC is as water-soluble as DPT. Any thoughts/suggestions?

Also, will this stay good for a month or two, if kept wrapped up inside a dark refridgerator?

And last but not least, would I be better off using ethyl alcohol?


Thanks much for any response! :)

EDIT: P.S. - The syringes are just for measuring, not for injestion. Don't get the wrong idea.
 
I know 1ml of alcohol will easily dissolve 10mg of DOC. I would use alcohol simply because I already know its stable for at least a while in that solution. I'd imagine distilled water would work, and that it would also dissolve in that amount (because you can dissolve way more than that in alcohol if you wanted to!)

Just be patient DOC takes a bit of stirring and crunching to get fully dissolved.

I haven't tried keeping DOC in this state for a month or two, but based on what I've heard it should keep as you described.
 
gloggawogga said:
People react differently to drugs. Unless you have a human clinical study that shows a side effect profile for DOC, you can't tell me these experiences are anomolies.
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No doubt!

Thing is, informal "human clinical studies that show side effect profiles" are already in progress. They won't get published in any journals and I doubt you would ever put any stake in them anyway-- but they are happening.

I've already tried to mention the side effect profiles for a cross-section of trippers (let's call it a couple dozen, roughly):

Dose range--
Light: 1mg-4mg
Med: 2mg-7mg
Strong: 3mg-10mg

So, there is quite a range. I would suggest pretty much everybody start with 2mg or less, unless you know you have a huge DOI tolerance or something.

Side effects--

Nausea: 10%
Vomiting: 5% (half of the "nausea" group)
Body Temp Issues: 10%
"Weird Smells": 3%
Excess Stimulation: 15%
Inability to Sleep past the 20-hour mark: 35%

People who said it was awesome in spite of any side effects or duration issues:

About 90%.

.....
Note, the average dose people chose to take in my informal sampling is in the 3mg to 5mg range. Nobody in my informal sampling seemed "underwhelmed" by the experience in this dose range.
 
 
Drugs do not produce effects in and of themselves… the results elicited are a combination of many interactions. Any taking of a drug (especially a psychedelic) must necessarily be a unique, existential experience. All reports of drug experiences must necessarily be of the form ‘Drug X had the following effects for me at time T and in dose Y.’ That is not to say that drugs do not have ‘general characters’ (i.e. opiates sedate etc.), they most certainly do. It is to say, however, that drug effects will always be unique to your biochemistry and possibly drastically so…
How does this relate to DOC? The same drug can very well produce the most glowing of experiences for some persons while being nothing but hellish trash for others… The same drug can vary greatly in effective dose from person to person… The same agent (especially if a psychedelic) can vary considerably for the same person at different ingestions… Just look at some of the Alephs or at 5-MeO-DMT and ask yourself how consistent reports of effects or dosage are.
Research chemicals are not an assortment of so many treats to be scooped up at a candy store… they are serious and completely unique compounds. Proceed accordingly and with great deliberation.

I B

P.S. One thinks that their next ‘pet project’ might be something along the lines of a responsible research chemical user treatise… {EDIT: Beta Done. See Here: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=235559 }
 
^I B, yes, this is a global lissue, so we should do a collaborative project along these lines w/the mods of the more popular RC forums and Erowid. PM if interested.

Although research chemicals are not for consumption... ;-)
 
ahhh yes, let this be another example of how experimenting with drugs means EXPERIMENTING with drugs. Sure there are a number of reasons to believe he didnt ingest the dosage he believed to or what he ingested wasnt DOC at all, but to shrug this off becuase of that would be foolish. to repeat even another time in this thread everyone does react differently to drugs. ive seen a kid take one valium then suddenly not be able to control any of the muscles in his neck to the point of his head just lifelessly hanging there with the kid haveing fear of choking on his own tongue. odd reactions like this to drugs are for the most part rare, but can happen.

with all that said, in a good world LSD would be the only thing on blotter. I think its all bluelighters who are involved with such things duty to keep LSD on blotter only. its the safest and convienent in the world of RCs
 
gloggawogga said:
Here are 8 reports on DOC that were mediocre or worse:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=3628235&postcount=227
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=3640600&postcount=243
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=3636438&postcount=231
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=3637085&postcount=235
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=234195 (2 reports)
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=233008
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=3718607&postcount=21

Doesn't seem to me 90% think its awsome. More like about half.
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Man, I'm inclined to go with glogga on this one. I read every report on DOC that I can find, because that chemical intrigues me (due to some people's comparison with LSD). And one thing I've definitely noticed is that only about half of the reports that are posted actually speak highly of the drug.

Don't get me wrong, I know that some of you are REALLY getting off on it, so I'm not trying to downplay anything. And I know nothing of the drug other than what I read about it. I'm not taking psychs these days... at least for now... so I've never done DOC. But not everyone is enjoying this srug as a lot of others are.

That being said, I personally see no reason to believe this blotter is anything other than DOC. But I stand by my hunch that, due to inconsistencies inherent in the blotter-laying process, these hits simply contained a higher dose than was expected.
 
nanobrain said:
read the damned information, take it as you like, but if you know fuckall about neuropsychopharmacology / biology / biochemistry and particularly, the human pharmakokinetics of DOC, then please suspend your disbelief and heed the elders.
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good reply nano :)
 
I think its safe to say this much. I myself and many others have warned people countless times that this is indeed no game and certainly no joke. If you do not take the awe inspiring power of these compounds seriously it will bite you HARD. Respect the compounds and use at your own risk. Just remember that the main person you will end up helping or hurting in the end is yourself.
 
and after all is said and done, countless warnings writ in fluoro marker on foreheads notwithstanding - and this pertains to multiple-degree holding and nevertheless god damned successful and well educated artists and musicians - i was just a few hours back an unfortunate witness to the short term aftermath (for fuck's sake, i was not there to stop the madness) of someone(s) insufflating ~3-5mg 99.96% pure DOI ontop of who knows what...

stay tuned for the lurid details sure to follow. short term - the weasels wanted more.

grrrrrr.

i wish DE .50 cal were legal in OZ....
 
gloggawogga said:
Doesn't seem to me 90% think its awsome. More like about half.
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Well I was only talking about my own real-life observations, not based on what people felt like mentioning on Bluelight.

Like I said, in my informal research group the average dose is about 4mg. Maybe that has (a lot) to do with the possibility that my fellows have a higher "rate of enjoyment" than the entire population.

I don't have the time to dig up every positive/glowing remark or trip report on all the forums I visit just to prove to you that it's way over the 50% mark for people who think DOC is some good shit.

I really could care less how many people want to eat DOC. But this, of all psychedelics, certainly doesn't deserve a bad or mediocre reputation like DOI/2C-I or certain other chemicals.

It is a stand-out psychedelic, which appears safe enough and, for most people, fun and interesting enough (if not outright incredible) to warrant a proper [informal] investigation as to what makes most people really like this stuff, while a minority of the population has some type of reaction which causes them to think DOC sucks.
 
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Thanks bluedolphin! I decided to go for everclear. Everything dissolved, no problem. :)
 
Bluedolphin, I'm using what you say to respond to Glogga.

bluedolphin said:
No doubt!

Thing is, informal "human clinical studies that show side effect profiles" are already in progress. They won't get published in any journals and I doubt you would ever put any stake in them anyway-- but they are happening.

I've already tried to mention the side effect profiles for a cross-section of trippers (let's call it a couple dozen, roughly):
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This is what I was getting at.

Anomaly:

2 : deviation from the common rule : IRREGULARITY
3 : something different, abnormal, peculiar, or not easily classified

I am in no way saying there aren't going to be people who have bad reactions to DOC. I'm saying that having such an extreme negative reaction to the point of feeling poisoned on a "light" dose as mentioned in the original post is going to be something unusual, hence, an anomaly.

Why you need a clinical license to read a few dozen reports (not to mention being familiar with dozens of experiences personally) to find patterns is beyond me. Will a license change what one is reading or witnessing? No, it just gives the one who possesses it more credibility as having expertise in their studies and observations.

I'm not an expert. I don't pretend to be. Saying the experience mentioned in the original post is an irregularity is simply stating the obvious.

Maybe we should all just wait until Merck, Pfizer or Perdue releases a clinical study on DOC before we form opinions, though. Since there's obviously a matter of credibility in non-experts making evaluations based on user testimony.
 
crOOK said~ My guess: Panic attack, one individual is known to be bipolar
The dosage should be right, anything above 4mg would have given them insane visuals, while I can still understand they had none at all or very little because they were in panic...

AND~
"the trip was intense"
"no visual hallucinations"
"purely my minds being raped"
"tomorrow, death and pain were all there for Christmas"
"plus god damn loons kept running around all night around the tent"
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Ever live with a bipolar! I have. That alone could have triggered it.
Seams to me it was very intense for both of them, they took 4mg's each, and they where in a bad set and setting~ "plus god damn loons kept running around all night around the tent".

They could have just manifested this, bi-polars do that, the other person just mite have followed along. like mass hysteria.
who really knows the truth.
cheers
 
Well as far as side effects go for me i was getting sharp pains on the spine occasionally and the rest felt like they were all controlled in the head it just felt like it could turn for the worse not that it did every time ;) It seemed like i could bring on any side effects i wanted easily if i was just to think that way they would be right there then gone.

I wonder if im responsible for the first person to be locked up on this yet? A friend wanted to try it so i split a rather high dose of 14mg with him and just as we were peaking hard i sorted the problems with my partner out on the phone and catched the last train home thank god (WOW what an experience that was 15mins on the train was out of this world, highly recommend, i loved it flying through space!) Later on i got a call from a friend he lives with in a "hostel" asking what i'd given him because he was freaking out thinking everything is all a big game shame he lost, throwing everything around so the police had to be involved of course he started on them hahaahaha he was freaking me out at the time anyway so im glad i got my excuse to go and he got to spend a lovely night in a closedly cell not rememebering anything from the start.

Wish i could of helped more but i freaked myself out at the time and cut the phone off because it felt like i was being setup to confess and id left a rather large stash of chems at his kept imagining him doing some weird shit and me being "arrested" because of it. At the time i was going to stay at his because me and my partner were going through a bad patch that doc solved in its own way! ;)
 
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