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The Old and Overgrown DOC thread (fixed)

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every time i read the words 'gentle' when it comes to psychs, i laugh. especially when a new chem gets an overwhelmingly positive response, no doubt preconditioned by a few glowing reports.

the kind and gentle no body load 2C-C produced an incredibly violent effect at just 24mg, projectile vomiting, stomach pain, tremor bordering on seizure and all.

i can just imagine what the DO analog may have done in its place, over the course of many hours.

as far as bad trips - dont matter how many good ones you have, all it takes is one bad one to swear to throw away the stash for good.

P.S. StuckMojo, you had a shitty time off 1 dose, so you reckon doubling it will solve the problem? now dat dere is some serious logic, ol' son...
 
OK folks.... I just spoke with and have gotten assurance from my kick ass RC vender - his DOC is 100% lab tested and proven. In fact, it turns that it was actually his independent lab that first analyzed and discovered the fake DOC batches laced with 2-ci.

So for everyone who knows the business I am referring to, if you are having less than satisfactory results, keep in mind the dosage curve on DOC is quite variable between the 2-8 mg range. Most people need less... some are hardheads like Markler and me... and subsequently need a lot more to launch us off. Do start off small though, so you can safely determine your vantage point. For me, I'm going 8 mg's this weekend, as I comfortably and controllably handled 6 mg's no problem... still kinda threshold really....

Good luck.
 
/\ I can dig Mojo's Logic there actually. Many of these compounds seem to have a 'sweet spot' (not the same for each person) - a dosage where fx are optimal and the trip the most comfortable. Go over and you will be strung and havy unpleasant or even dangerous side-effects. Stay below and you may also be fairly uncomfortable (body+mind issues due to the chem not 'breaking through' properly and the trip becoming a several hours-long struggle for the mind and the body, the drug stressing both out but never taking over with body+mind giving in and accepting the ride.

Then, of course, it's also true that with psy's there can be no 100%-good-time drug. How could there be? They're first and foremost amplifiers. Thopgh I have no doubt some are gentler/harscher by nature than others. So while DOC may be fairly gentle a lot of the time, there is no guarantee... I've been in stressed-out states like Mojo.... on certain drugs and off them. But not everytime I take teh drug. NEVER forget set (and setting).

@crOOk - In order to determine whether it REALLY IS DOC... have YOU ingested any of the blotters your friends had? Did you experience what they did? And have you had DOC before you had it from those blotters? Are you able to compare? Or do you simply trust an overseas source that has so far been reliable and you simply assume they made no mistake? I remember contaminated/adulterated batches of stuff going round more than once.
 
mojo, these are chemicals without a lot of testing. also they are are strong.
One person may find heaven and the other might find hell.

proceed with caution my friend. remember not much is known about these chemicals.

nanobrain has got it right,

out
 
crOOk says it's DOC... I have no reason to disbelieve him. So let's take his word on it ;)

StuckMojo: That sounds nothing at all like my DOC experience! In fact on my three trips with this chemical it never took me to a confused mindstate at all. I found it easily directable and I could focus (or not) on pretty much anything.

So, the first question that comes to my mind, ... are you on any other substances that might cause an idiosyncratic reaction?
 
After a very strong workout this morning, I took 7mg about ~30 minutes ago. No breakfast, just gatorade after the workout. It's true, my rapid use over a short timespan probably resulted a tolerance buildup, but unfortunately logistics require me to try it one last time, as trips in the near future will prove hard to arrange.
 
Is it possible to underdose with DOC?
I have used mushrooms on several occasions and had an awesome time every time but one. A friend and myself each took 1.2 grams and got stuck in that cloudy unclear thought stage that I usually get right before breaking through. I couldnt think clearly and my body was very uncomfortable. Another friend took about the same amount and had the same results.
 
Ximot said:
@crOOk - In order to determine whether it REALLY IS DOC... have YOU ingested any of the blotters your friends had? Did you experience what they did? And have you had DOC before you had it from those blotters? Are you able to compare? Or do you simply trust an overseas source that has so far been reliable and you simply assume they made no mistake? I remember contaminated/adulterated batches of stuff going round more than once.
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Stuff from the same batch has been tested, end of discussion. lol I haven't had the time to try these blotters, but I've had some from the same batch previously... Actually, I'm pretty sure there is just one large batch floating around. Or does anyone know more than me?

crOOk
 
^^^^

I doubt I know more than you, and I believe you. At this time, it seems DOC is a very irradic drug, producing a very wide range of responses.
 
gloggawogga said:
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I doubt I know more than you, and I believe you. At this time, it seems DOC is a very irradic drug, producing a very wide range of responses.
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Yep.

About the underdosing thing... I've had that with 5-MeO-DMT (last time: last night) and with shrooms before. Psilocybe cubensis (mexicans) at 1g and 5-MeO-DMT at 4mg smoked... 5-MeO-DMT makes my head feel like theres pressure applied from every side... Nasty. I still enjoy it though. It's just not worth it really. The shrooms make me bored and sort of depressed at very low doses sometimes. I usually get intense euphoria though at normal doses.

crOOk
 
Closed eye visuals are absolutely INSANE, open eye visuals not so much.

Swirliness to everything, and colors shift and are vivified.


Edit: By 3:00, I was interstellar. Wow. What a trip.
I wonder why it took so long, even with the metabolic preparatoin. Methinks my metabolism just really is that awful.
 
yaesutom said:
^^ yes,

Also - not that i'm saying to go and make blotters, but, I suppose what you could do (if people are going to do it anyway..) is at least add some food coloring to the solution you use to drip it onto blotter, so most likely the deeper colored area's contain more substance etc.

But yeah, some alcohol solution with a tiny tiny bit of food coloring, and blotter BIGGER than the spot the solution would make, to prevent it from spreading around the sheet so you could individually dose each one would be best if your going to be putting it on blotter anyway.
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I assume this would work ok but it wouldn't be an accurate indicator. I reckon that if you're dipping blotters, you're basically carrying out a chromatography experiment. The dye will probably have totally different chromatographic properties to the chemical being blotted and hence will end up most concentrated in different areas to the chemical. Loads of dyes will have a strong affinity for cellulose ( the paper) and hence will not move as far as the chemical.

Just a thought. I may be wrong though..
 
ATM, there are at least 4-5 different batches of DOC and god knows how many batches of DOC paper taking the round-the-world tour.

Stolaroff talks about the pre-brekathrough states and what can be learned from them rather eloquently in 'Thanatos to Eros' in the Low Doses chapter. go read it at maps.org

and yes, there is psychedelic / psycholitic divergent thinking. yes, you can indeed underdose on a number of psychs - and a higher dose may be warraneted - i am talking mostly phen trypt psychedelics, not dissociatives - but i reckon this does not apply to any chems that show signs of physical / neurological toxicity.

first signs of former are numbing / ongoing tingling in extremities, rapid fluctuations in thermoregulation, severe vomiting, tremor/seizure.

indications of latter are increasing tinnitis, ringing / popping sounds in the head, vast and cycling cerebrovascular pressure changes, voices in head that are not my Observer's (or entity communications) and strong dissociation atypical for the classes - ya get the picture.

and this is in re the lower potency psychs, not the DO series where misdosing can have rather dire consequences. hence my take on StuckMojo's idea.

oh, i thought about the food coloring thing - good idea in concept (the paper compatible dyes could be selected). however, it would quickly become an invitation to misrepresenting (miscoloring) the blotter impregnated with whatever nasty chem on it for the unscrupulous $$$ grubbing dealers.

think of early days' LSD prints which inititally were 'brands of quality' but these days means very little.
 
Sounds like ass bananas to me. I have several friends who recently took DOC, one I know took two hits with exactly 2mgs each and quote "and suddenly I looked at the flowers on the side of the road, and they were all going woooooooooooosh." No stomach pain, but from what I decipher gnarly visuals.
 
I have taken DOC 8mgs +acid, and DOC 8mgs, alone, and it doesn't put any stress on the muscles at all. It sounds to me, like many people in the thread have said already, that your friends took DOB. True DOC isn't the way your friends described it at all. I recommend you doing more research before issuing statements like you did.
 
maybe the set and setting was awful and I just took way too little DOC...Kinda like how if you dont smoke enough 5-meo-dmt you just get a headache and feel like poo but when you take enough your so tripped out your having a blast
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That is something that is pretty much specific to the simple tryptamines that blast you into hyperspace (DMT, 5-methoxy DMT, DET, DPT) and other tryptamines to a lesser extent. I've never heard of it being applied to phenethylamine derivatives so increasing the dose had chance to only make any trip more intense rather than changing the character - in this case it'd mean a more intense 'bad' experience.

I'd consider your decision with this one very carefully before redosing
 
My girlfriend and I each took 20mgs of 4-HO-MiPT one night. We had taken it before. And moreso, we had dosed from this particular batch before with no problems.

Well, a few hours after ingesting it, we both started getting a strange feeling in our stomachs. It felt like we had both swallowed a large rock. Not long afterwards, we both started seeing an absurd increase in mucous production. There were gassy bubbles forming in our spit. I had the phone ready to call 911. We were both doubled over in pain. We could taste the 4-HO-MiPT in our mouths... a foul chemical taste. For hours. It was one of the single worst experiences of either of our lives.

I have never heard of this happening before. I don't know what caused it, but I'm absolutely sure it was some sort of a reaction to the 4-HO-MiPT, because it was the only thing out of the ordinary we had consumed or done.

It also never happened again. It was just a strange anomoly. I can only guess that the 4-HO-MiPT had reacted to something we'd ate or drank early in the evening. That or something happened to these two particular doses of 4-HO-MiPT where the compound had reacted and changed somehow.

However, this does not mean 4-HO-MiPT is a bad drug. On the contrary, I've taken it again with no problems.

As for these individuals who had the bad DOC experience... it was an anomoly.

I actually know of several people who took 2-4mgs of DOC tonight. They all seem to be enjoying themselves.
 
man, this thread is starting to piss me off - 'oh real DOC dont do that, i've done it twice and a FOAF of a FOAF said he read..'

its fucking DOC already, and people have been having bad reactions. so pull the head out and say it with me - yes Virginia, its possible to have a bad trip on every drug.

read the damned information, take it as you like, but if you know fuckall about neuropsychopharmacology / biology / biochemistry and particularly, the human pharmakokinetics of DOC, then please suspend your disbelief and heed the elders.
 
poria said:
Is it possible to underdose with DOC?
I have used mushrooms on several occasions and had an awesome time every time but one. A friend and myself each took 1.2 grams and got stuck in that cloudy unclear thought stage that I usually get right before breaking through. I couldnt think clearly and my body was very uncomfortable. Another friend took about the same amount and had the same results.
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If you consider the response to lower doses of 2C-x's/DOx's, you don't get that 'cloudy' response that you do with tryptamines (the 2C-D - cognitive enhancement expts being an example). The phenethylamine derivatives seem to smoothly move from sober to intoxicated without that 'stalling' dose seen with tryptamines (and not even all tryptamines - AMT has a pretty smooth respose from sober upwards) so I very much doubt that it's the case with low doses of DOC.

I'm also with nanobrain on this one - while DOC might be more benign than say DOB and some other members of the DOx series, it's all relative and the DOx series are far from being benign as an absolute (no psychedelic drug is); remember a very close relative (DOB) has the dubious honour of being one of the few psychedelics that have caused a human fatality
 
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