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The Old and Overgrown DOC thread (fixed)

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I experienced the best results when I exercised right after, so I think my metabolism is affecting the experience. I have nothing to do tomorrow, so I'm going to wake up early and hit the gym with no breakfast, come back and do 5mg.

The experience I did have after exercising, though short in duration, was quite good.

There are other factors that may have been involved as well. I was taking an oral steroid last week because my doctor thought I had mono (it turned out to be a viral infection, but not mono), and I think the lingering effects of the steroid canceled out some of the psychedelic effects. This in conjunction with my largely reduced metabolism (I hadn't exercised in weeks because of the viral infection) probably limited the trip. I'll report back with results tomorrow.
 
^^^

It also sounds like you're using too often and developing tolerance, using every couple of days or so. Why don't you take a week off and then try it?
 
Well I'm glad these guys turned out OK. "very bad news" in your title made me think it was a hospital visit or a death or something. Could have been worse. Live and learn.
 
This is going to be happening more and more, what with everyone thinking it's cool to store drugs on blotter paper. The problem is that liquid doesn't distribute evenly when a sheet of blotter is laid in it.

This is nothing new, either. It is well known that the periphery of each sheet ends up getting a higher concentration of alkaloid than hits in the center of the sheet. In the early 90s when good blotter acid was all over the place, people would sometimes pay more for the hits that came from edges of the sheet.

This was alright, though, with LSD. First of all the dose/response curve was a lot more linear than RCs of today, so big deal if you accidentally got a hit with a bit more acid on it. And second of all, LSD is simply not dangerous, while RCs in general do tend to require a lot more caution.

My point to this post is that there is no such thing as being able to safely say "these blotters are precisely calibrated to 2mg per hit..." Nope. Impossible. So as much as we talk about harm reduction here, this should be mentioned. If someone wants to make a precisely measured hit of blotter, than a properly calibrated solution must be dropped on to the blotter and each hit must be bigger than the drop of liquid.

People: what's wrong with keeping the shit in liquid form? I mean, if you really want to pretend it's acid why not put it on sugar cubes?

8)
 
^^ yes,

Also - not that i'm saying to go and make blotters, but, I suppose what you could do (if people are going to do it anyway..) is at least add some food coloring to the solution you use to drip it onto blotter, so most likely the deeper colored area's contain more substance etc.

But yeah, some alcohol solution with a tiny tiny bit of food coloring, and blotter BIGGER than the spot the solution would make, to prevent it from spreading around the sheet so you could individually dose each one would be best if your going to be putting it on blotter anyway.
 
I know which online vendor your talking about and i can say i'm certain 100% that it really is pure DOC.

I've noticed there are just some people that seem to need a much higher dose of DOC than others, and people that trip *very strong* off 2-3mg, I have the same DOC and have had one friend tell me 4mg did "nothing at all" to him, but really I am certain your vendor sent you 99%+ DOC though.
 
is at least add some food coloring to the solution you use to drip it onto blotter, so most likely the deeper colored area's contain more substance etc.
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Now that's a fucking good idea - will make the placement of drops when making up sheet a lot more accurate. Might need a bit of trial & error as to getting the best concentration of dye so that slight differences are most notable, but that can be done with liquid that doesn't contain drug so there's no excuse for not having it correct when it comes to the drug soln.

You can also have a colour coding system so it doesn't get misidentified (green for DOC, purple for DOI etc)
 
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Now, I WISH there was some way this color coding system would be universally accepted! But really how are we going to spread the word on this one?

Now, as for the even-ness of doses laid across a sheet... well you can either be very sloppy or you can take your time and do it well. I personally do not experience much, if any, variation in the potency of blotters when I have used this method to store and dose chemicals.

Really, the biggest source of variation in hits of LSD (like somebody mentioned sometimes the edge hits are stronger) is because people are rushing out sheets and hanging them up to dry prematurely. Otherwise the solution would probably be evenly absorbed.

crOOk: Don't know what to say about those reports... 4mg of DOC should certainly not be a painful experience! I think these guys might have had a weird reaction and they fed off each others bad vibes until they were both convinced they were poisoned or something. Who knows. Or maybe they just don't react well to DOC.

It just really doesn't sound like a DOC trip to me. But I've heard of a few people who haven't had a good time on it, so who knows.
 
I like the food-colouring idea too!

As for the strange reactions, I don't find them very surprising. Think 2C-T-7... one camp thinks its a ticket to cloud-9 (body-wise), while the other camp (myself included) thinks its a ticket to the 9th bowel of hell...
 
Haven't read all this yet. All I know is, the tabs should contain 1.9mg DOC, dosage might vary, substance is definitely DOC, enjoyed by many, not by these two individuals.
My guess: Panic attack, one individual is known to be bipolar
The dosage shoudl be right, anything above 4mg would have given them insane visuals, while I can still understand they had none at all or very little because they were in panic... I've had a bad DPT trip before at 120mg and I had NO visuals at all!
Anyway, I hope I can find out more sometime soon.
EDIT: I agree wholeheartedly bluedolphin, that's how I explained it to myself...

crOOk
 
Now, I WISH there was some way this color coding system would be universally accepted
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Well the idea of DOC - green, DOI - purple is based on the idea of the colour of the element in the 4-position (so DOB would be a liver coloured reddy-brown!). If one of the Alephs made it to blotter, you could go with yellow for sulphur...
It's not a complete plan, but you get the idea. It sort of runs into trouble for DOM/DOET considering carbon is black, or if you go with methane for methyl, it's colourless
 
i dont think it's bullshit.
I've known some one to have a *very* similar reaction.
 
On what dose? Are you sure it was DOC? Are you certain it was a seizure?

Please post as much info as you have.
 
Honestly from the reports you gave it sounded a lot more like 5MeO-AMT. It is well known that this has been put on blotter in numerous occaissions and many times misidentified. There have been many similar side effects off of it as well including a sometimes noteworthy lack of real visuals or far slower visuals.

I would suggest looking into the possibility that these hits may very well be something different than DOC. There are a slew of other things it could be as well including 5MeO-DPT, 5MeO-AET or any number of other compounds not commonly found but that could quite possibly be misrepresented.
 
yah ive never (knowingly) done any of the DO* drugs, but im gonna go with fizzacyst on this one.

ive had mushroom trips that were like what ur friends said in the first post. end result was just me taking way too much, freaking out, and having a really bad experience. so you cant really say DOC causes those things.
 
Sounds like the dose was just vastly too high (everything sounds typical of a DOx overdose), be it their sensitivity or mislayed blotter or some other factor. Starting out at 4mg is a little extreme, I tend to be sensitive to the amphetamines and don't need near as much as others, while my dose for acid seems about the same as it does for most people.
 
No, I doubt it were real seizures, it's what he called it. But it was probably more like a violent tremor that often manifests on psychedelics.
It was definitely DOC.
Anyway, one last time: It was DOC! Ok?

crOOk
 
It sounds to me like your friends shouldn't have been doing psychedelics in the first place. I don't know. I'm not going to let this scare me away from trying DOC although I wont take more than 2mg my first time.
 
Me neither. But beware. It might be not as gentle as it may seem from lots of the reports around here... At least not for everyone. Well maybe you're right, maybe they "shouldn't be" doing psychedelics. Then again, who should really do drugs? And remember, one individual had over 300 hits of acid with no bad trips up until DOC came along.
Anyway, I still love it and 99% of the people seem to do the same.

crOOk
 
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I tried DOC about two weeks ago and had a absolutly horrid experience off one of the blotter's I made. I gave these same blotters to my friends and they had a GREAT TIME. I tried 1 blotter myself and had a very negative time. I had minor visuals and my mind was NOT CLEAR AT ALL. I dont feel like writting out a whole trip report so let me summerize. I dosed...hit in 1.5 hours....And then nausea. I held the nausea down and then just went to my bed to chill out and close my eyes. I work in retail and I kept hearing voices of customers asking me questions about products over and over while in bed with my eyes closed in limbo customer hell. Then i'd snap out of it and be like "WHY THE FUCK AM I HAVING TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS! SHOULDNT I BE HAVING A NICE TRIP! I AM ALONE IN MY ROOM! About a hour later I went to the bathroom and wretched into the bathtub hole while the shower sprayed all over me. The trip was intense at that point and the visuals were there....but nothing like people have reported. I went back to my room and rode the trip out for another 2 hours waiting for it to blossom but it never did. I took 5mg of xanax and 100mg of seroquel and passed out before I knew it. Woke up slightly alterered but in good shape. I got this DOC in my dream from a known supplier overseas with usually good quality. It was nice pure crystals and it was even tested in a lab. Im pretty sure it's DOC but I have not had the FANTASTIC experiences everybody else posted during the intial DOC craze. I hope I didnt get some lame ass batch :( I want a nice DOC trip please. I know this isnt wise but maybe the set and setting was awful and I just took way too little DOC...Kinda like how if you dont smoke enough 5-meo-dmt you just get a headache and feel like poo but when you take enough your so tripped out your having a blast. So 2 blotters next time...and wish me luck please :) Thanks bye
 
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