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The Old and Overgrown DOC thread (fixed)

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FlameMan said:
Hi there, I'm new here.

I am going to be recieveing 25mg of DOC. I do not have a milligram scale :\

I am thinking of dissolving the entire amount into X liquid, where X = Your best suggestion (water? distilled water? everclear? vodka?)

I can measure volume very accurately but I just don't have $350 lying around to get a milligram scale.

Do you think this is a bad idea if I take a very low dose initially? How long do you think the DOC will remain potent in solution? Thanks for reading and I will be posting a trip report here if I decide to give it a go.
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The only problem with this is whether or not the 25mg is actually 25mg, I've seen RC's that were off by as much as 50% weight, especially with something that small it would be easy for someone to misweigh, or send an incorrect amount etc... As for liquid to use, Everclear would be best, if it's not available, Vodka worked fine for me.
 
Do you generally keep it suspended in liquid until it's used? Or do you evaporate it into amounts for later usage?

I've heard people say evaporation isn't the best route for long term storage. But I've also heard that one of the 2C-E or 2C-I (for example, but I don't remember which) would become unstable suspended for a moderate amount of time. I'll try to find the direct source.

But what about DOC? Or anything for that matter. Seems it could be an important thing to take note of for whatever substance you're using.
 
as for the storage problem, why not just dissolve it in distilled water and put it in the freezer? it should be pretty stable then if stored that way…
 
DexterMeth said:
Well i'd like to know a definitive answer.
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I've looked into this and it will as it an amphetamine analogue much like methamphetamine will show up....
 
Thanks for the tips. I am going to measure my dose very conservatively with vodka and hopefully everything will turn out okay.

Can any of you relate DOC to some of the other compounds I've tried? I have done mushrooms a lot (sometimes at very high doses), salvia, mdma and nitrous. I didn't include pot or alcohol because believe it or not I've never been drunk or stoned.

I do grow a lot of cacti but haven't the heart to eat them :\

So you could say DOC is in a lot different class than my usualy treatment. But it is still psychedelic, right? I came out of a 13gram cubensis trip okay so I think I should be able to handle DOC... m I rite guys? 8(
 
My best advice is to just start low -- any psychedelic should be tolerable by anyone at a certain dose level. 1.5-2.0mg might be a good place to stick your foot in the water, and then you can work your way up for there. Long acting psychedelics certainly seem like a world of difference from short acting ones to me, though (peaking for 2 hours and peaking for 8 hours are two very different beasts for me to deal with).
 
DexterMeth said:
Another question. Does anyone know if DOC and other DOx compounds would show up positive as amphetamine in drug tests?
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i have read in pihkal that the halogen atom on a molecule dosent get removed from the molecule, so this would mean the metabolites you would pee out would not be the same they test for, i think this is in pihkal under dob, maybe bod, not positive. ill look for quotes. but i think your safe, they dont look for methamph or even amph they look for the metabolites im sure doc and meth dont metabolize the same.
 
they certaining look for methamp. cause they've caught me before. although maybe they dont now or something? cause back in early Jan, i snorted a gram of meth the day before my test and passed.Oh, and Flameman, i think you will be just fine, you will probably even want to dose higher after your first trip. I dosed up to 10mg so far, and i still wanted it stronger than that.
 
Same thing I posted at shroomery:

Well, tried a higher dose of DOC a few days ago:

T+1:00h 2.5mg
T+3:00h 1mg
T+6:00h 2mg+

So, almost 6mg total. It is likely that acute tolerance took place because I didn't trip as hard as most accounts of 6mg range doses.

However, I did have a fantastic journey and a pretty long one at that. But then again redosing at the 6 hour mark what should I expect...

Several people joined me in doses of 2mg to 5+mg. Each and every person had a blast and a night to remember.

I noticed no additional body load or cardiac distress at this higher dose than I did at 2mg, which was extremely minimal. Next time I will try 4mg at once to see if tolerance was an issue in my last trip. But don't get my wrong... it was a solid and fantastic +++ with some pretty amazing psychedelic phenomena!

I will write a trip report on Bluelight soon and probably post it here and on Erowid as well.

As a side note, about 20% of the participants reported nausea. I think one person threw up and then felt fine. There is a possibility this was caused by their environment, because they were surrounded by drunk/coked up kids on halloween peaking on DOC.

Everybody found it easy to relax and get comfortable, and just enjoy themselves almost no matter what was taking place during the trip.

During part of the peak of the trip, meditation came easily in spite of a somewhat distracting environment. Closed eye imagery was unsurpassed.

Also, it seemed like there were entity presences. I will go into more detail on this when I write a real trip report. Or you can ask me here and I'll elaborate.

Somebody mentioned they wished DOC wasn't called DOC because it sounds too close to DOB and DOI, which are garbage in comparison. I agree, it's not even in the same league. At all.

And I highly doubt it's anywhere as stimulating and anxiety-producing as DOM sounds from everything I've read about that. DOC is a smooth ride. You just gotta be ready to take the ride. Like LSD but a few hours longer.

Then again I've had 20 hour LSD trips too...
 
When the trip is ending, have you problems to get sleep ?

Because with LSD, in the end of a trip I've still a lot of visuals (CEVs, OEVs) while my mind is almost sober and this make me unable to sleep. but this is not boring, not like a pure amphet come-down. Just to know if DOC share this characteristic with LSD too.

Thanks a lot for your reports !
 
It isn't really like a pure amp comedown. It doesn't work in the same way an amp does, but it does keep you up for possibly 20 hours or more. Especially DOC, being the least stimulating of the DOx's it seems. Personally the peak of the trip has ended around the 4-4.5hr mark. With seroquel I am able to get to sleep 8-9 hours after ingestion. Honestly, if you have a good sleeping med, seroquel being even better because it's an antipsychotic (so it will slow your racing psychedelic thoughts down) you should be able to get a full nights sleep, depending on when you took it of course.

BlueDolphin: I can't believe you, and it seems like quite a few others, are getting +++ trips off under 6mg. I only get +++ on 10mg! Personally 10mg feels like I could take 15, mabye even 20. The visuals are good, but kind of fuzzy. Like if i took more i woud see the same images, but way more bold, vibrant, detailed...i can see the details, but some of them get blurry, like "if only i could see a little deeper" ...the fact that I still have a mindset like that means I haven't reached a ++++ on this chem. I came to this conclusion just this last Monday when i ate another 8-10mg..it was actually more intense than my previous 10mg less than a week before...

I had initially said i achieved a ++++, i think, when i was talking about the climax. But now that i think about it, i have yet to get there on DOC. It's true, I usually always end up on doing quite high doses of almost every psychedelic I try. This is after taking at least a couple 2-3 minimum trial runs, where i slowly up the dosage each time.

Maybe I have some sort of natural tolerance or something like that to certain psychedelics? Maybe we all do, but it's different for everyone per each psychedelic, per dosage? When i first did acid, it took 3 hours to even start tripping! First time MDMA, 2 1/2 hours. My friends were already peaking when i started to come up. But now for each, it hits me a lot faster..with acid sometimes in 15 minutes. With DOI it was varied. Really strange. Like sometimes (using around the same dose every time) it would start to hit me good within an hour to hour and a half, and sometimes it would take a few hours. Sometimes the peak came on in 3-4.5 hours, sometimes it took up to 18 or so hours! Same batch, all varied at different times...was done in pretty far apart intrevals so that tolerance could not have been an issue.....

ok, I'm rambling, but just thought i'd write this.
 
Dex, a ++++ is that rare mystical experience.
Samadhi.
Not something one experiences with every psychedelic.
Not even everyone experiences it.
Usually a ++++ occurs when you need it in your life. Hardly ever does it depend on the dose or substance.
I had my first ++++ on 2.1g ofmushrooms. It was one of the most terrifying experiences that then turned into one of the most blissfull.
5 meo dmt usually gives constitant ++++. But thats like the only one.

I was just trying to clarify what a ++++ was.
I see people throw that term and ego death around alot without really
knowing what they mean.

BTW. i dont think you dont know what ego death/++++ is. Its just that when u have a ++++ experience you are sure of it.
At least in my case i was never confused as to whether my experience was a ++++ or not.
 
Cat Again said:
I was just trying to clarify what a ++++ was.
I see people throw that term and ego death around alot without really
knowing what they mean.

BTW. i dont think you dont know what ego death/++++ is. Its just that when u have a ++++ experience you are sure of it.
At least in my case i was never confused as to whether my experience was a ++++ or not.
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This is definately the case for me as well. Althought I have only had ++++ experiences with mushrooms, repeating the same dose or even increasing it does not seem to bring back ego death. It is one of those weird psychedelic phenomena that noone will likely ever understand.

It just creeps up on you if you've been good... or bad ;)
 
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