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The Old and Overgrown DOC thread (fixed)

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I don't know if you read my trip report comparing LSD and DOC (having taken them back to back), but if you had you might see where I'm coming from. My friend and I specifically tested each other's experiences, taking great care not to influence each other...

asking things like, "hey, what are you seeing right now?"
and he would see the same exact thing I saw.

I'm pretty sure neither of us had a preconceived notion of the artwork from Luke Brown (check out the link in my trip report) would closely resemble what we were both seeing.

And then I asked somebody else who'd taken DOC at a 4mg+ dose and he confirmed that the things I witnessed are indeed what he witnesses, and it seems to him other people witness as well.

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The "chrysanthemum" dome, projected above one's head on the comedown of a DMT flash is a famous example of replicable -- and most likely "real" -- phenomena that people have a great chance of experiencing without any prior suggestion.

I do respectfully disagree with you. Maybe I've just read enough trip reports and have a particular interest in replicability of various in-trip phenomena tested against different people, especially without prior influence.

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By the way, this side-tangent of a debate has little to do with harm reduction. I've already tested DOC three times, at different doses, at different intervals, and on the comedown of a strong LSD trip. And I posted the results and wrote a detailed trip report. Among other things I'd rather not post on a public forum, let's just say I don't need any lessons in "harm reduction".

Whatchu got to say about DOC from experience Glogga? I see you poke your head in this thead to disagree about mostly irrelevant shit, always derailing the thread from those of us who are trying to help each other figure out the nature of this particular substance.

Maybe try some DOC and let us know what you think.
 
I just noticed a comment a while back about it being unbelievable that DOC is relaxing because it is an Amphetamine.

While I have not tried DOC, I did not find TMA2 to have any resemblence to Amphetamine or Methamphetamine whatsoever. Sure, it may be stimulating, but I find DPT, LSD and even 2C-D more stimulating.

Also take MDMA as an example (I dont consider this weird shit a psychedelic). Its a methylated amphetamine, but it feels absolutely nothing like meth/amphetamine.

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On another note, although I do find merit in the idea of archetypes and synchronicity, I do think that suggestion has quite an effect, BD. Perhaps those famed "DOC spirals" or that DMT dome are simply things that "infect" mass experiences through suggestion?
 
asking things like, "hey, what are you seeing right now?"
and he would see the same exact thing I saw.

I'm pretty sure neither of us had a preconceived notion of the artwork from Luke Brown (check out the link in my trip report) would closely resemble what we were both seeing.
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You and you're friends may think alike and were in the same setting, thats all. The same sort of thing can happen on LSD, or any other highly visual psychedelic. It doesn't mean everyone in the world is gonna have the same visuals you have.

I don't need any lessons in "harm reduction".
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I'm not giving you lessons in harm reduction. I'm posting for everyone who might read this forum, in the interest of harm reduction.


Whatchu got to say about DOC from experience Glogga? I see you poke your head in this thead to disagree about mostly irrelevant shit, always derailing the thread from those of us who are trying to help each other figure out the nature of this particular substance.
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There is no rule that says you have to have taken DOC to post in this thread.

Maybe try some DOC and let us know what you think.
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I will soon. But so far the reports I've read it sounds to me like a manic drug with maybe some depth that has carried a few people away with the mania. I'll still go into it hoping that I'm wrong though ;)
 
gloggawogga said:
You and you're friends may think alike and were in the same setting, thats all. The same sort of thing can happen on LSD, or any other highly visual psychedelic. It doesn't mean everyone in the world is gonna have the same visuals you have.

I will soon. But so far the reports I've read it sounds to me like a manic drug with maybe some depth that has carried a few people away with the mania. I'll still go into it hoping that I'm wrong though ;)
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Not everyone, but it seems so far a lot of people have the same visuals on DOC.

DOC is far from a manic drug... it's calming and easily directable. But it's all about expectation right, so you'll probably have a manic trip when you try it.
 
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No, because I said I hope I'm wrong. If its calming and easily directable, I'll find out soon enough, because I usually try relaxation techniques (meditation etc). when I'm on a psychedelic. Of course, if its a mind blowing psychedelic like LSD, then it wouldn't be easily directable at high doses. I sincerely hope you are right though, BD, as I spent a considerable amount of cash on my new DOC stash ;)
 
As I have said previously, DOC does not affect your mind in the same way as mushrooms or LSD. It is a very clear-headed trip. I am experienced enough to realize this isn't due to set or setting either.

The visuals were also more intense than anything I've tried before... BUT other than that I can't say anything about the visuals. It is going to be different for everyone, I came out with 3 completely different experiences the three times I tried it.

It's the same thing with other psychedelics, every experience is unique and tailored to your own unique psyche at that particular time.

Like it or not some people aren't going to see anything at all like what you saw.
 
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Haha, allright. Take 6mg of DOC and tell me you've got nothing to say about "spirals" after that...
 
bluedolphin said:
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Haha, allright. Take 6mg of DOC and tell me you've got nothing to say about "spirals" after that...
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What is special about 6 mg? I have taken 5 mg and also 12 mg, but never 6 mg...? I honestly did not see any spirals. :\
 
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Based on the diagram he linked to I figured a vortex coeficient of 30.42. Plugging that into the equation d = (2c+-amp)A^2, using the receptor affinity of DOC, you get a predicted dosage range of 5.43 mg to 6.84 mg for the right conditions for the vortex to occur. Its kinda like how a hurricaine forms. You gotta have just the right conditions. To little energy and the vortex never forms. Too much energy and the vortex spins apart immediately. ;)
 
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Kinda like when you take 2mg of 5-meo-amt and never trip or take more than 10mg and you just shit bloody stools all night. About 7mg is where you start to see visuals without shitting out your organs.
 
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Kinda like when you take 2mg of 5-meo-amt and never trip or take more than 10mg and you just shit bloody stools all night. About 7mg is where you start to see visuals without shitting out your organs.
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fuck dude i wanted to try 5-meo-amt too.. fuck that shit.
 
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What is special about 6 mg? I have taken 5 mg and also 12 mg, but never 6 mg...? I honestly did not see any spirals. :\
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Really, you took 12mg?

Are you aware that the first big batch of "DOC" that was going around was actually primarily 2C-I.

Makes me wonder....
 
I read this entire thread, so yeah I'm well aware of that. My understanding was that the newer batches have proven to be pure.

If it really makes you wonder then maybe you should read my previous posts in this thread? As I've posted my first dose was very close to 5 mg and resulted in a very strong experience that lasted about 12 hours with lingering effects up until 24 hours later.

If you've got information to show me how what I experienced was possible with 2c-i, by all means bring it.

From what I know 5 mg of 2c-i would produce almost no effect. 2c-i takes about 45 minutes to take effect, whereas my experience took about 1.5 hours to take effect. And then 2c-i lasts 5-8 hours whereas what I experienced lasted a full 24.

This does concern me. I've tried to PM you but your message box is full.
 
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Nah it sounds like you've got the real deal then. But what caused you to take 12mg if you had a very strong experience on 5mg?

My PM box is always full, you can contact me via the AIM name given in my profile.
 
I had taken 5 mg, then about 11 days later or so I tried 2.5 mg with very small effect. I thought my tolerance was way up. A couple of days later I decided to try 12 mg. It was insanely powerful. As I've written the trip part was excellent, but the after effects were not so great, I ended up staying awake for about 36 hours.
 
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Did you notice it got more stimulating or got vasoconstrictive at 12mg?

Because I found 4mg to feel just as easy on my body as 2mg, which was relaxing and smooth enough to the point I could almost sleep (or fall into a trance) after the peak.

The other time I did it was 2mg + 2mg + 2mg spaced out over a few hours, and I found that to be just a little more stimulating, but weaker than 4mg all at once.

I actually find the after effects quite pleasant, because for me it lacks much stimulant effects if any at all, I can expect to still have a strong afterglow the next day, or possibly wake up still tripping a bit if I didn't get much sleep.

Well, I'm glad it agrees with me so well. I cleaned out my inbox by the way.
 
I think DOF is a must now-the fluoros are usually the most "clean" of the halogens if you pardon the expression.That 2C-F is almost inactive is no reason to not try the 3C analog.Animal Data (PIHKAL) suggests it might be 4-6 times less active than DOB and DOJ,that would be still enough.
 
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