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The Official Tramadol Discussion Thread

Yeah, tolerance builds up pretty quickly. I was up to 10 pills a day in no time at all, and that's where I refused to keep going, since I'm on citalopram (which also lowers the seizure threshold). That dose (500mg) was so fucking nice, but I'm not having a seizure to nod when I can just drink some pod tea or something. I suppose I just like the mood lift too. It builds on my SSRIs and makes my mood that much better. I feel 10 feet tall and bullet proof when I'm "supplementing" with Tramadol.

It's great here and there, or for a quick pick-me-up, but man, I'd hate to be one of the folks who ends up with a habit. Thankfully I haven't really noticed any withdrawal symptoms, which I'm hoping is because my citalopram helps. Still, I loves me some Tramadol. I'd get more, and I'd do that dose again, but I'd do it in extreme moderation, you know?
 
am i the only one who is addicted but uses in moderation? i have been taking them for six months as an alternative to ssri's (citalopram) and i only ever take 150mg or 200mg in the morning and then nothing else. this dose has stayed stable and they make me feel like life is not a hostile empty hole. my depression has an antisocial effect on my character (mostly aggression and rage). i find they work

has anyone had successfull long term moderate use?!?!?!
 
TheStronger said:
GUYS.
Let me clear something up.....
1. Tramadol, Ultram or whatever name it has is NOT an opiate.
It is chemically, scientifically similar but it is not.
They do get you high.
First time try about 6-7 (yes you gerally have to take a bunch)
When i take 8-10 i am very speed and the buzz is very clean 8-10 is very similar to an oxy 40 with someone who has low tolerance, you will nod, get itchy and the whole nine. I would probably prefer the ultrams over oxy because it last about 8 hours also.
Its basically an opiate but not completely, you have to take 6-10 in order to get the opiate affects...Trust me, Tramadol is AWESOME!!!!!
Have fun guys, peace
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6-7?

The first time I took Tramadol, I took 5 over the period of 5 hours and I woke up the next morning with the worst hangover feeling. Seriously felt like an alcohol hangover, headache, nausea, even vomiting once. Even now when I would take 8 in a night, about 20% of the time I will get a hangover. And it lasts all day. I wouldn't recommend 6-7 the first time.

Tramadol = great drug, but unfortunately I am weaning myself off of it as the addiction was starting to control me. I think I will still take recreationally after about a month off after last dose though.
 
Also out of curiosity, I am a beginner to pharms so excuse my ignorance. Will extensive Tram use do anything to tolerance with other opiates? Like I said above, I am tapering off trams right now, but I haven't touched a "real" opiate in over a year. If I popped a couple of vikes would my tolerance reflect someone who hasn't used in over a year?
 
Tramadol itself has mild action at the mu opioid receptor. Its principle metabolite, O-desmethyltramadol (M1) has significant action at the mu opioid receptor.

By definition this makes them both opioids. They are not OPIATES because they are not synthesized from the latex of the opium poppy, but they are OPIOIDS because they bind to opioid receptors. All opiates are opioids, but not all opioids are opiates. In general it's best to use the term opioid, unless you're just being really anal.

You are technically correct that Tramadol and M1 are not opiates, but that is irrelevant, because, as opiOIDS, they do the exact same thing.

EDIT to answer the poster above: There is only one tolerance. Tolerance is a reflection of the relative state of your opioid receptors, which upregulate and downregulate themselves as a response to how much of a stimulus there is in the system. This is why drugs that have a similar mode of action (Oxycodone and Heroin, or LSD and Mushrooms) have a cross-tolerance. Contrary to what you seem to think, Tramadol IS a "real" opioid, and yes, it will cause cross-tolerance with hydrocodone. If will take more hydrocodone to get you high than if your tolerance were reset to baseline.
 
Ok, I made a thread about this a few weeks ago, but have a question, nevertheless.

I have come across, 37.5 mg Tramadols (325 Apap) in each one. The other day, I took 3 Hydros, totaling 17.5 mg's, with a total of, 1,750 Apap. I guess I don't have much of a tolerance, as I felt a bit sick, and my liver was sore for a few days. I took them on an empty stomach, probably explains the pain.

Anyways, would it be wise for me to do a CWE on the tramadol? I would only be taking 3, at the most. Each totaling, 37.5 mg's. Or, would the CWE take too much away from the drug? It's a pretty light dose, and I imagine, if I ate before I took them, I should be OK. Later.
 
Well, I found that CWE "stole" from it and I wasn't as high. But you can't be taking APAP all the time, its really hard on your liver. Are you scripted and abusing or do you buy online? Online you can get it without the APAP in it. Which is better.

I have my own question, I have been using Tramadol on and off for about a year now, maybe longer. I do it and do it daily until its gone and then I'm rather pissed. But how much am I playing with fire with addiction since I haven't had to many issues other than craving the high really bad and using it to cope? I have heard withdrawals are simply horrible and I don't want that and my bf doesn't want that for me either. He wants me off because he is afraid of me getting addicted, and of course it is just such an amazing feeling, a great high, I guess I'm one of the "lucky" ones that it works really well for, that I don't really WANT to quit. I may have to for awhile because I lost m job and can't afford it. But I still wonder.
 
Pillthrill said:
Well, I found that CWE "stole" from it and I wasn't as high. But you can't be taking APAP all the time, its really hard on your liver. Are you scripted and abusing or do you buy online? Online you can get it without the APAP in it. Which is better.

I have my own question, I have been using Tramadol on and off for about a year now, maybe longer. I do it and do it daily until its gone and then I'm rather pissed. But how much am I playing with fire with addiction since I haven't had to many issues other than craving the high really bad and using it to cope? I have heard withdrawals are simply horrible and I don't want that and my bf doesn't want that for me either. He wants me off because he is afraid of me getting addicted, and of course it is just such an amazing feeling, a great high, I guess I'm one of the "lucky" ones that it works really well for, that I don't really WANT to quit. I may have to for awhile because I lost m job and can't afford it. But I still wonder.
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Withdrawal sucks really badly. Like others have said its like getting off an opiate and an antidepressant at the same time. You will have trouble sleeping, aches and pains all over, sometimes nausea. But the worst for me is the depression. It is absolutely horrible, all I wanted to do is crawl up into a ball and die. I didn't want to watch TV, I didn't want to go for a drive, I didn't want to hang out with anyone, I didn't want to listen to music. Anything I could possibly do just seemed depressing.

I would highly suggest you never quit cold turkey, and if you are to continue taking, always make sure you have an ample supply. Never get below 20 pills or something without ordering your replacement. I placed an order online for more tramadol, and because of a shipping error it took 8 days to get the order. You don't want to be caught into that situation because it will suck and you won't be able to do anything. It's like your life immediately gets put on hold until you score more pills.
 
Well, clearly, from my tolerance, you can see that I don't abuse. Can anyone, specifically, tell me, if there is a correlation between liver pain and not eating, before consuming med's with apap in them? My theory, being, eating before consuming apap is it forms a cushion, better digesting it. Thoughts?
 
Tomer said:
Well, clearly, from my tolerance, you can see that I don't abuse.
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I've read online about people who have taken 2-3 per day for a year experience a lot of the severe withdrawal symptoms. I am just warning you because it sucked for me. I abused it more than you, but I don't want to sugar coat it and make you think its ok to abuptly stop using. It tends to be a bitch.
 
Obyron said:
Tramadol itself has mild action at the mu opioid receptor. Its principle metabolite, O-desmethyltramadol (M1) has significant action at the mu opioid receptor.

By definition this makes them both opioids. They are not OPIATES because they are not synthesized from the latex of the opium poppy, but they are OPIOIDS because they bind to opioid receptors. All opiates are opioids, but not all opioids are opiates. In general it's best to use the term opioid, unless you're just being really anal.

You are technically correct that Tramadol and M1 are not opiates, but that is irrelevant, because, as opiOIDS, they do the exact same thing.

EDIT to answer the poster above: There is only one tolerance. Tolerance is a reflection of the relative state of your opioid receptors, which upregulate and downregulate themselves as a response to how much of a stimulus there is in the system. This is why drugs that have a similar mode of action (Oxycodone and Heroin, or LSD and Mushrooms) have a cross-tolerance. Contrary to what you seem to think, Tramadol IS a "real" opioid, and yes, it will cause cross-tolerance with hydrocodone. If will take more hydrocodone to get you high than if your tolerance were reset to baseline.
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Thanks for your response. I am learning so much from this site.

So because hydrocodone is a stronger acting opiate (right?), even if I've built up a tolerance via tramadol, I should probably get a decent buzz from taking 3 750's correct?

I am curious because I'm picking up 3 tomorrow and was hoping to get some sort of buzz from it.
 
Right, they're stronger because they have stronger agonism at the receptor. I mean, oxycodone and heroin have cross-tolerance, but heroin's potency knocks oxy out of the park. Still, it's there. If you're getting 750s they must be 5mg of hydrocodone each? I think the 7.5s are usually 500 and the 10s can be 500 or 325... If you have low tolerance you'll feel something from 15mg of hydrocodone, but don't overdo it if you get more of these since there's so much APAP in them. Still you could probably do 5 or so and not have to worry about APAP problems, when you feel like you can handle that level of experience.

Just be careful not to get stung. Tolerance develops fast. Next thing you know you're taking 7.5/500 oxycodone instead to feel something, then it's OCs, then you realize it'd be cheaper just to do H...

Opioids are sneaky.
 
i'm gonna go ahead and jump on the anti-tramadol wagon, while keeping an eye on it as it wheels away. as far as opiate potential? lol. but withdrawal symptoms are slightly curbed by even a half of a one.. depending on the binge. kids these days..
 
Ive had a script of tramadol once. I hated it. It gave me anxiety, which led me to take my ativan. LOL
 
diesmitty said:
Withdrawal sucks really badly. Like others have said its like getting off an opiate and an antidepressant at the same time. You will have trouble sleeping, aches and pains all over, sometimes nausea. But the worst for me is the depression. It is absolutely horrible, all I wanted to do is crawl up into a ball and die. I didn't want to watch TV, I didn't want to go for a drive, I didn't want to hang out with anyone, I didn't want to listen to music. Anything I could possibly do just seemed depressing.

I would highly suggest you never quit cold turkey, and if you are to continue taking, always make sure you have an ample supply. Never get below 20 pills or something without ordering your replacement. I placed an order online for more tramadol, and because of a shipping error it took 8 days to get the order. You don't want to be caught into that situation because it will suck and you won't be able to do anything. It's like your life immediately gets put on hold until you score more pills.
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Well I'm not currently addicted. But yeah, I'll try to keep in mind the wanting to die part...try to deter me from being stupid but thats kinda hard some days.
 
I'm assuming that if I wanted to get off these without too much suffering, I do it the same way I got off oxy--by taking smaller and smaller does each day until I was out? Got off oxy that way after taking it for months with little fall out.
 
blinkstar said:
I'm assuming that if I wanted to get off these without too much suffering, I do it the same way I got off oxy--by taking smaller and smaller does each day until I was out? Got off oxy that way after taking it for months with little fall out.
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I was told to wean off very slowly because of the SNRI effects of the drug. Tapering off too slowly can still cause big bouts of depression.

I have another thread on this in OD, but basically I started with taking 2 in the morning and 2 at night, and then after 5 days went down to 2 - 1.5, then 1.5 - 1.5, then 1.5 - 1.0 and so on.

What I've been told is that I will still feel mild depression after the final dose of the drug that can last weeks, but it's not the severe depression you get when you stop cold turkey. Meaning, you can still live your life and have a mostly smooth transition off of it.

However, I am also planning on beginning to take Celexa after I stop taking Tramadol, so I think that will help me greatly with the depression.
 
I'd just like to note that I consider this thread a smashing success, and I'd like to thank each and every one of you for your thoughtful comments and mostly civil conversation. This sort of discussion helps build community, and I like the core I see coming together around BDD. We appreciate and value each and every one of you, from the first time poster, to the jaded old-timer who is lurking in here and being surprised at the rising level of conversation.

Look for more threads like this soon after 6p7 and I talk about it and decide what the next good topic will be. At the moment I'm thinking probably Benzo Discussion. Please keep this thread for Tramadol talk, and make any suggestions in the BDD and You: What Can We Improve? thread.

Thanks so much. Threads like this with great conversation make me happy to be a mod here, and reaffirm my decision.
 
I love and hate the Ultram. I had a ton of samples of 100 and 200 mg SRs. I would parachute them and scrach and nod all night. When I came into them I'd been off heroin for 6 years. When they were gone , I continued my dependent habit with other , obvoius drugs and it was about two years til I just gave up and went on suboxone. Last week I brought a sample bottle to a doc's appointment and tried to get a Rx. He did not prescribe and stated the reason was that it is habit-forming. So the docs are getting hip these days, and its definitely good stuff.
 
Well I'm not currently addicted. But yeah, I'll try to keep in mind the wanting to die part...try to deter me from being stupid but thats kinda hard some days.
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Unfortunately you don't realize how much withdrawal sucks until you get there... then you're really fucked. I have never withdrawn from tramadol (my liver doesn't seem to break it down into M1, so I just get seratonin and norepinephrine effects) but I can say that speaking of just opiates the withdrawals are absolute hell sometimes, especially if you take them for depression and eventually get tired of the game and want to quit.

Getting off pod tea has been a bitch for me!! I started using for physical and mental pain, and I can safely say that 7 months down the road when I'm forced to quit for several reasons I'm much worse off than I ever was. My legs feel like they are gonna break out from under me, it's hell sometimes.

I couldn't even begin to imagine how bad it would suck to withdrawal from an antidepressant and opiate at the same time, I considered suicide just from my pathetic habit of opiates alone!
 
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