the official debate thread: no holds barred-> which genre sux/rules?

I'm not going to even respond to this...
Nothing rules, it's all as one...
There would be nothing with out it all....
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Tha Mechanic
Aka - Dj Sean Paul
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A BIG BIZUMP!
Just cause I want to hear "undocs" or maybe it was "Tranckids" HHC Lyrcs again!
"You are so pretty, you are so great... I take a pill, my eyes dielate"
Jay
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"Roads, where we're going we don't need any roads."
"All your K are belong to Jay"
 
Although I guess the thread is probably dying out now since it's gone through about 8 or so pages (fucken eh man!), I thought I'd stick a penny or two in here.
When I started raving back in the mid-90s everyone in my area (Northeast PA/NJ) was playing trance/acid stuff. There were one or two house DJs, one jungle DJ (:-O), and quite a few techno DJs. It's the whole reason I started going to parties in the first place. When I'm chillin, or in the car, I get down with whatever...darkstep is great, discohouse makes me want to hop around, so does tech-house, and breaks are great too. I dig it all.
HOWEVER!
When I'm at a party, and I've come to have a good time, "leave the 9-5 up on the shelf and enjoy myself", I gotta have trance, all the way. And I've been pretty disappointed with the quality of a lot of the mid-west's trance scene! Everyone out here spins house or DnB! it's weird...
Trip is really the first person I've heard spin that reminded me of how it was back when I started, that great beautiful trance with definite thought put into track selection. (I agree with your comment about that btw...I've heard DJs with great skill lay down some SUCKY ass tracks, and vice versa. gotta have it both) And I've heard a couple people who spin epic/anthem stuff, a style which I've recently been getting into myself. I just love the real bangin acid trance with the hard beats.... Paul Van Dyk over Paul Oakenfold anyday (exception-->Tranceport was great
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), no disrespect meant to oakie.
Like I said, My $0.02....
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cheers,
amh
 
Its all good genre wise - there's crap in all genres and good stuff in all genres. Did any of you that blatantly bag out other genres ever consider the idea that you just don't get the music? (not that I'm saying I 'get' the music - ya just gotta accept that they all have their merits)
digital-psyKosis: Breakbeats are 4/4 structured - many ppl make this mistake - 4/4 refers to the timing, not the beat. Almost all modern music is 4/4 - particularly electronic. Argh but who cares - I know what you mean, I'm just nitpicking
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^^^
This is true, I like to visualize it as follows.
Legends:
K=Kick
B=bassline
S=Snare
H=Hat
Code:
This house/trance/whatever witha '4x4' beat, with the 'bass pump' bassline, and a snare one the 2 and 4.  Each number is a 16th note.
0    K
1
2    H    B
3
4    K     S
5
6    H    B
7
8    K
9
10   H    B
11
12   K    S
13
14   H    B
15
This is Breaks/dnb/Jungle.  Still 4/4 time though, but the kicks and snares delemit the beat differently:
0    K
1
2    
3
4     S
5
6
7
8
9
10   K
11
12    S
13
14
15
Typically you get some crazy32nd note snare rolls on the last beat of a measure, and a riding high hat that drops out for other synths to come in at certain times.  But it is still based on 4/4 timing.
I believe this is correct, but then again, this stuff is all self taught, so I may be wrong. I want to learn some more complex time signatures like 8/4 and 6/3, but don't really have any reference.
 
personally, I hate hearing one style of music all night, its *really* boring. I'd rather hear a mixture of deep house, tech-house, techno, acid techno, jungle and breaks. Definitely NO trance, its so *boring*, no soul, no funk, no groove, just a load of pre-set synth sounds to a monotous beat, as for 'taking you on a journey' and being 'psychedelic', puh-leeese, its cliched rubbish, filtered swooshy noises do not a trip make.
I'd rather listen to Hawkwind or Ozric Tentacles for 'psycedelic' music.
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viva acid house
 
Blagsta said:Definitely NO trance, its so *boring*, no soul, no funk, no groove, just a load of pre-set synth sounds to a monotous beat, as for 'taking you on a journey' and being 'psychedelic', puh-leeese, its cliched rubbish, filtered swooshy noises do not a trip make.
Man I've gotta seriously disagree with you here. If you mean that really super mellow variety of ~130bpm trance, then I guess I can sympathize. A lot of trance CDs that are on the market put me to sleep, even if the DJs are very skilled. But man...how can you say that trance has no soul! or funk or groove! Trance is a very intimate variety of electronica. Gettin down and dirty with house and some other kinds is like freakin it with some girl you've never met before; It's all just fun and games, taken at face value. Trance is like a very up close and personal, introspective slowdance with a significant other. It takes some time to get into it, but it really does "take you on a journey" as corny as that sounds. It's not a style of music that does well with short bursts of dancing, like house or techno. When a DJ spins a trance set, you dance the whole set. (or most of it)... I'll dance to it over any other genre any day...
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cheers,
amh
 
Blagsta said:Definitely NO trance, its so *boring*, no soul, no funk, no groove, just a load of pre-set synth sounds to a monotous beat, as for 'taking you on a journey' and being 'psychedelic', puh-leeese, its cliched rubbish, filtered swooshy noises do not a trip make.
Man I've gotta seriously disagree with you here. If you mean that really super mellow variety of ~130bpm trance, then I guess I can empathize. but man...how can you say that trance has no soul! or funk or groove! Trance is so intimate...you can't just pop in and dance for a minute or two and go do something else... What about DJs like Kimball Collins? Producers like Matt Darey? Space Girl? Epic/Anthem Trance? Acid Trance? Hard Trance? I think you may have been talking about some variety of ambient trance or somethin.... that'd be like me saying "house is always about ass and titties" :P
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cheers,
amh
 
Blagsta said:Definitely NO trance, its so *boring*, no soul, no funk, no groove, just a load of pre-set synth sounds to a monotous beat, as for 'taking you on a journey' and being 'psychedelic', puh-leeese, its cliched rubbish, filtered swooshy noises do not a trip make.
Man I've gotta seriously disagree with you here. If you mean that really super mellow variety of ~130bpm trance, then I guess I can empathize. but man...how can you say that trance has no soul! or funk or groove! Trance is so intimate...you can't just pop in and dance for a minute or two and go do something else... What about DJs like Kimball Collins? Producers like Matt Darey? Space Girl? Epic/Anthem Trance? Acid Trance? Hard Trance? I think you may have been talking about some variety of ambient trance or somethin.... that'd be like me saying "house is always about ass and titties" :P
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cheers,
amh
 
Blagsta said:Definitely NO trance, its so *boring*, no soul, no funk, no groove, just a load of pre-set synth sounds to a monotous beat
Man I've gotta seriously disagree with you here. If you mean that really super mellow variety of ~130bpm trance, then I guess I can empathize. but man...how can you say that trance has no soul! or funk or groove! Trance is so intimate...you can't just pop in and dance for a minute or two and go do something else... What about DJs like Kimball Collins? Producers like Matt Darey? Space Girl? Epic/Anthem Trance? Acid Trance? Hard Trance? I think you may have been talking about some variety of ambient trance or somethin.... that'd be like me saying "house is always about ass and titties" :P
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cheers,
amh
 
Blagsta said:Definitely NO trance, its so *boring*, no soul, no funk, no groove, just a load of pre-set synth sounds to a monotous beat
Man I've gotta seriously disagree with you here. If you mean that really super mellow variety of ~130bpm trance, then I guess I can empathize. but man...how can you say that trance has no soul! or funk or groove! Trance is so intimate...you can't just pop in and dance for a minute or two and go do something else... What about DJs like Kimball Collins? Producers like Matt Darey? Space Girl? Epic/Anthem Trance? Acid Trance? Hard Trance? I think you may have been talking about some variety of ambient trance or somethin.... that'd be like me saying "house is always about ass and titties" :P
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cheers,
amh
 
Blagsta said:Definitely NO trance, its so *boring*, no soul, no funk, no groove, just a load of pre-set synth sounds to a monotous beat
Man I've gotta seriously disagree with you here. how can you say that trance has no soul! Trance is so intimate...you can't just pop in and dance for a minute or two and go do something else... What about DJs like Kimball Collins? Producers like Matt Darey? Space Girl? Epic/Anthem Trance? Acid Trance? Hard Trance? I think you may have been talking about some variety of ambient trance or somethin.... that'd be like me saying "house is always about ass and titties" :P
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cheers,
amh
 
Blagsta said:Definitely NO trance, its so *boring*, no soul, no funk, no groove, just a load of pre-set synth sounds to a monotous beat
Man I've gotta seriously disagree with you here. how can you say that trance has no soul! Trance is so intimate...you can't just pop in and dance for a minute or two and go do something else... What about DJs like Kimball Collins? Producers like Matt Darey? Space Girl? Epic/Anthem Trance? Acid Trance? Hard Trance? I think you may have been talking about some variety of ambient trance or somethin.... that'd be like me saying "house is always about ass and titties" :P
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cheers,
amh
 
Blagsta said:Definitely NO trance, its so *boring*, no soul, no funk, no groove, just a load of pre-set synth sounds to a monotous beat
Man I've gotta seriously disagree with you here. how can you say that trance has no soul! Trance is so intimate...you can't just pop in and dance for a minute or two and go do something else... What about DJs like Kimball Collins? Producers like Matt Darey? Space Girl? Epic/Anthem Trance? Acid Trance? Hard Trance? I think you may have been talking about some variety of ambient trance or somethin.... that'd be like me saying "house is always about ass and titties" :P
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cheers,
amh
 
I like trance, SOME house, SOME jungle...and most of the other types of electronica I consider pure CRAP.
The most essential part of music, IMO, is beauty. Otherwise it's just noise. Trance is beautiful because it has a melody, some harmony, some rhythm, symmetry, repetition AND variation...all in glorious harmony. HHC fails in all of these categories - yeah there is usually a melody, but the unnatural rhythm and lack of variation, as well as the ridiculous combination of dissonant sounds and elements, totally destroy any attempt at beauty. Drum and Bass fails because it doesn't have enough melody...ambient fails becuase there isn't enough rhythm/bass... much of jungle fails because of too little melody/harmony, too much dissonance, too much bass/rhythm....you get the picture.
Let me go on. I actually LIKE Alice Deejay, ATB, oakenfold, PVD etc. I have a revelation for you - JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS POPULAR AND HAS BECOME MAINSTREAM DOESN'T MEAN IT IS BAD. Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe there is a REASON these musicians are popular, and that trance is so beloved by so many? Of course lots of people like it - it's good stuff, and it has a LOT of beauty.
All of you who are D&B, hard and grating Jungle, and HHC fans need to get over your angst. Do you really think you are so much "cooler" than everyone else because you listen to music that sounds horrible? Your idols (losers who will never get anywhere in life, and have totally destroyed their brains through irresponsible drug use) probably tell you, in the vaguest of terms, that their music is "deep, dark, and heavy" or "complex" - but really, this translates into "noisy, dissonant crap that will make you deaf and kill your brain cells". I suggest you give a try listening to some music that is actually PLEASANT to listen to. You might like it, and maybe you'll feel the world is not so terrible after all - it was only the music you were listening to that was terrible.
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"I could not/Speak, and my eyes failed, I was neither/Living nor dead, and I knew nothing" - T.S. Eliot, The Wasteland
 
I can appreciate and tolerate pretty much everything except HHC.
HHC is a novelty. Nothing more.
Jungle/DnB evokes dark emotions.
House evokes soulful and funky emotions.
Trance can bring about many moods and thoughts.
Hard House evokes energy.
HHC evokes....ritalin?
HappyMotherFuckingHardCore is a bastardization of other music. Take a 33, click it onto 45, and you have HHC. Pure Shit.
I mayy not like all genres or styles, however I can see where the composers where coming from and what they were trying to say to the audience...
HHC however, is nothing short of garbage.
As for my personal favorites,
For dancing: UK hard house
For listening to: Trance
For playing and groovin' to: Nu Skool breaks.
Occasionally I'll taste a little jungle just to mix it up, though I find that hours upon hours of jungle is boring. To me, it takes me nowhere, the emotions I feel while listening to jungle are static. Other genres are more musically interesting to me because of how they bring out *different* emotions as I listen.
Except HHC. HHC brings out rage. Fuck HHC.
HHC must die.
my 2 cents
 
my problem with (most, not all) trance is that yes, it has melody, but its *obvious* melody, using cheesy pre-set synth sounds. All them supposedly 'euphoric' chords get right on my tits.
Also it (generally ) has no basslines or interesting rhythms. Its all boom tchh boom tchh etc.
Utter shite.
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viva acid house
 
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