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the official 2011-12 college football thread! part 1 ver. WHERE IS SMOTPOKER??

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axl blaze said:
I love this shit! my internet connection is spotty. look at all of us! going after one another's throats. college football season is truly just about back, and my nipples are diamonds

I actually agree with 3, 4 in that these shady, loser-ass boosters MUST DIE. they are ruining programs. they just about ruined the formerly untouchable (we'll see how this season plays out) tOSU. they all seem like losers, and this Shapiro ponzi-scheming Miami dirtbag could be the worst of them all. BOO-HOO. you think these college football players are your friends? REALLY? because I think when you force a bunch of 18-20 year old college guys to hang out with you, a 40ish year old man, THEY ARE MAKING FUN OF YOU. they are not your friends, and all these shady boosters do is ruin fine programs. I agree, they must die

LSU and Auburn weren't punished enough. what's wrong with the NCAA is that they don't have some sort of uniformed disciplined system, and these things are ALWAYS hard to prove (unless your Miami and your shit is plastered all over the internet). I mean, I hate saying this sorta thing, that teams need to be punished more - but let's face it - Cam Newton should not have played in the National Championship (and TP should not have played in his bowl game, also)

on the other hand, I can't wait to be 3-0 VS Miami. I've heard that their fans are pretty brutal, even at times worst than the insufferable redneck fans of the Gators
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If you are sitting in the lower deck, you will find UM fans to be surprisingly classy. We are an arrogant bunch based on the sheer amount of success we have had over the years, but I rarely ever saw fights at a game. Also, most rational Miami fans feel that OSU was unfairly targeted as well, even though we truly hate you guys. Miami fans tend to have empathy for those accused of crimes of this sort, as we are aware of how it has affected our team long-term.

Upper-deck kids are assholes. A lot of fighting goes on there, because the crowd usually consists of Miami's resident wanna-be bangers.

Just don't be an asshole. Don't be the loud and obnoxious guy rooting for the home team to lose, we have a tolerance but I have seen a fight or two breakout when a guy couldn't keep his mouth shut, although this is usually during the FSU contests, as traveling FSU fans have a tendency to be snooty assholes who not only shit on the stadium (back in The Orange Bowl, I used to be a season ticket holder but I refuse to set foot in the current stadium again, it is the worst gameday experience in the world, oh, and make extra extra extra time for parking arrangements) and the fans, but love to run their mouth when their team is up, and never seem to shut the fuck up about it. FSU fans seem to have class when I communicate with them online, especially compared to Florida fans, but they lack road team etiquette.

Anyways, if your team wins you won't have any potential fights to worry about unless you happened to be the obnoxious guy, you will pass right through. I promise you will be surprised by the class of the average fan.
 
Kenickie said:
LSU got off easier because they self reported and had dude involved resign before they even went to the NCAA, the NCAA told them to extend their probation for another year, as for Auburn, who the fuck knows, it's Alabama, I don't know what's going on down there. Funny how its only Auburn and LSU (and Tennessee?) that gets the SEC haterade treatment, what about the god damn Tide? or Pander's Dawgs, for that matter?
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Miami self-reported the current violations a year ago, or tried to. This fucking asshole would not give UM the common courtesy of giving the school the chance to review the violations, which is standard practice. This is one of the reasons he is so uncredible as a witness, he is certainly causing a shit storm but after reviewing his "proof" I really do not believe any death penalty option will occur. He is expecting the NCAA to take a leap of faith regarding a lot of these receipts (which don't actually list any players by name), and a small number of eyewitnesses. He has eight former UM disappointments saying he is telling the truth, while some players are avoiding questions and others are flat out denying everything with confidence.

This guys influence appeared to end in 2004, the NCAA would be hard pressed to do anything more serious than 2-4 years of probation (actual probation, not the face saving bullshit probation that LSU got), which UM would recover from fairly quickly. While there is indeed some truth in this report, a fuckload of it is littered with lies and this will keep UM away from any death penalty like probation.

Anyways, if I were an LSU fan I would probably brag that the NCAA was on my side. Les Miles could get caught feeding his players Ethiopian babies in order to gain a competitive advantage and nothing serious would come of it. We would have one week of scandal, and then the NCAA claiming lack of evidence, and slap on the wrist style probation. Be glad you SEC fucks don't have to deal with trying to run a clean program like every other team in the country, and that you can get away with buying as many players as you want every year.

It has nothing to do with them being southern, and everything to do with how much money, power and influence they have gained over the realm of college football. The NCAA either can't do anything about the corruption because of the blowback, or simply won't because they are getting paid, both by the extreme loyalty SEC fans have to their conference and by rich SEC officials giving them money on the side to keep the operation running smoothly.

Karma is a bitch, however. If the SEC ever falls from grace (in other words, begins to suck) the NCAA guys will not hesitate to make examples of anybody. As bad as the SEC guys appear to be, those running the NCAA appear to be worse. They have no loyalty to anybody, and will always follow the winner.
 
It's about time Miami goes to this:

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Trying to be a "clean" program blew up in our faces. We worked much better as Thug U. We need hardened criminals and killers on our team again, scaring the shit out of everybody else. We were great with Butch Davis, but he softened the program up quite a bit. No way a guy like Shapiro gets down with old school UM players. We need to institute a "no snitching" rule at our school.

Incidentally, I heard that Tyrone Moss got his tires popped at his job working some Indian Casino yesterday. Miami people get crazy as fuck when you turn on them, and I believe we need to escalate the levels of violence on these snitches. Get shit running like a unit again, push through probation by picking up South Florida's most dangerous athletes, and make guys like Shapiro and bitchmade players like Moss know their place. All of these guys are going to get taken care of in some way, Moss will probably get his ass kicked out of the city, and the identities of any other former players turned snitch will eventually come out as well. We all agree that Shapiro is in line for a prison stabbing. He is being transferred down to Dade-County as we speak, and something tells me he doesn't get back into the Federal system intact. Even solitary confinement cannot protect a guy who sells out on a sports team.

At the end of this scandal, I want to see so much bloodshed that the entire sports world becomes too scared to ever investigate Miami again. We are a small school and an easy target, so we need to resort to unconventional tactics in order to defend ourselves.
 
Failing to be a "clean" program blew up in our faces.
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At the end of this scandal, I want to see so much bloodshed that the entire sports world becomes too scared to ever investigate Miami again. We are a small school and an easy target, so we need to resort to unconventional tactics in order to defend ourselves.
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Really, a few posts ago, you were one of the most important TV markets in the country. I admire your passion dude, but you're coming unhinged— advocating for violence against snitches. 8( Guys who slash tires and beat up prisoners are no better than that Hick who poisoned the trees at Auburn. If there are people like you in the program, or closely attached to it, its the best argument for the death penalty yet.


Lastly— did anybody notice a gust of wind when the yahoo story broke? Smotpoker's sigh of relief must have been something to behold.
 
Pander Bear said:
Really, a few posts ago, you were one of the most important TV markets in the country. I admire your passion dude, but you're coming unhinged— advocating for violence against snitches. 8( Guys who slash tires and beat up prisoners are no better than that Hick who poisoned the trees at Auburn. If there are people like you in the program, or closely attached to it, its the best argument for the death penalty yet.


Lastly— did anybody notice a gust of wind when the yahoo story broke? Smotpoker's sigh of relief must have been something to behold.
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We are one of the most important TV markets in the country, but we are an easy target by the NCAA. We always have been. We don't have nearly the amount of money most championship quality NCAA schools have, due to being private and small. And we already had the "bad guy" label the moment we became relevant. Our former probation came from the Pell Grant scandal, not from anything having to do with boosters. And it only became an investigation because the racist old white guys who ran the NCAA didn't like the way we played.

And how is it now that fans advocating the death of snitches is an argument for a program going on the death penalty? You wouldn't feel the same way if Georgia were facing the death penalty as well?

I still feel that these guys have to get got. Shapiro really is a dead man walking, and what happened to Moss is only the beginning. Just try and place yourself and your fans where Miami finds itself now, and then tell me honestly that you wouldn't feel the same way.

The snitches get ditches rule is one that I believe all of humanity should abide by. And this Shapiro character isn't just a snitch, but a liar. It is going to turn out that most of his claims are false, as people are beginning to find holes in a lot of them. Some of them will have truth to them, and we will see what the NCAA does with that.
 
i'm so fucking giddy.

my only concerns about the vols are our offense, defense, special teams, coaching staff, lack of experience and tyler bray. other than that, we should be good.

it's going to be a long and very drunk season.
 
Also, all this bullshit has completely pushed aside the fact that Miami has the highest APR in the country, and our players have some of the highest rates of success after they graduate. You don't see many of our players doing nothing with their degrees after they leave. Most of the kids who graduate from SEC schools end up working as bank tellers with their four year degrees. It turns out the degree didn't mean shit, because they were pushed through the system to remain eligible.

No doubt a player here and there, like Tyrone Moss, becomes a security guard or some bullshit, but when you look at what our players have done with their lives, it is fairly impressive. This will probably be ignored by the NCAA as well. We seem to be one of the few schools in the country that really focuses on making our student athletes actual students, as evidenced by our higher than average admission standards (we've lost a lot of players because of these) and the aforementioned success of our players.
 
235360287471352662 said:
everything Yahoo! said about UM is bullshit. Here's why:

http://allabouttheu.wordpress.com/2...ile-often-failing-to-substantiate-his-claims/
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Of course everything Yahoo! said was bullshit, but the NCAA doesn't really care. They don't operate like an actual court, and they tend to judge programs based on which way the wind is blowing, or for their own self-interests. The fact that Cam Newton was able to play through the season and that Auburn isn't facing any major sanctions is insanely hypocritical, considering the actual proof they have against him and how serious the violation was. But we know the NCAA does not want to fuck up the SEC at all, these southerners give them too much money.

At then end of the investigation, there will probably be a number of relatively mild allegations against us, considerably less than the Yahoo! report suggested, but they will be used however the NCAA wants to use them. We all saw what happened to Ohio State over almost nothing, and the media likes them.

The only thing Miami has going for them is that they have been cooperating with the NCAA since the moment these allegations became public, which was last year when Shapiro claimed he had dirt against UM and was set to write a book about it. The NCAA has also been investigating UM 5 months prior to this story, with UM fully cooperating. We will see if the NCAA backstabs us, as I have a feeling they might do.

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Former Miami Hurricane great Alonzo Highsmith, a Green Bay Packers scout whose son A.J. is a reserve safety for the Hurricanes, told CaneSport.com Friday that he will pilot a lawsuit against the NCAA on behalf of all Hurricane players if the Nevin Shapiro scandal results in sanctions that affect the Miami team.

Highsmith has asked his Houston-based attorney, whom he is not ready to identify, to begin researching and preparing the suit in the event the NCAA takes action against Miami.

"This lawsuit will be on behalf of all the kids who have done nothing wrong and would be being deprived of what they came to college for," Highsmith said. "Look at the Reggie Bush situation. Look at what he did to the USC program. All those kids that went to USC for all the right reasons had to suffer the consequences.

"This has been going on for years and years. If someone at General Motors does something wrong, they don't shut down the company. Nobody ever challenges the NCAA on this. Why? Why?"

As a Packers scout for 14 years, Highsmith has often crossed paths with athletes who were victims of NCAA sanctions that involved the rules violations of others. But this dilemma facing the Hurricanes is different because it is his alma mater and his son is on the roster.

"Most of these kids have done nothing wrong," Highsmith said. "If you have a family and one child does something wrong then he can't go to Disney World. But you don't make all of the rest of the kids stay home too.

"These kids came to Miami to play for championships, go to bowl games and have a college experience. Why do they keep making these kids pay such a steep price for doing nothing? All those kids and the coaches are doing the right thing. They work hard every summer in 100 degrees to have the opportunity to play in a bowl game. You can't make everybody pay the price for what a few do."

Twelve active Miami players are believed to have been interviewed by the NCAA this week about potential interaction with Shapiro that might have involved illicit benefits. They are quarterback Jacory Harris, whom many have expected to be the starter, top receiver Travis Benjamin, top linebacker Sean Spence, top defensive tackle Marcus Forston, safety tandem Ray Ray Armstrong and Vaughn Telemaque, receiver Aldarius Johnson, tight end Dyron Dye, cornerback Jo Jo Nicolas and defensive ends Adewale Ojomo, Marcus Robinson and Olivier Vernon.

The players are being accused of receiving food, drinks and entertainment at Shapiro's $6 million Miami Beach mansion, playing in a pool tournament for cash there, being entertained by Shapiro at Lucky Strike Lanes including a "bowling for dollars" tournament over a weekend in September 2008 and receiving drinks and VIP access in nightclubs on a handful of occasions.

But most Miami players followed the directives of head coach Randy Shannon and didn't become involved with Shapiro.

"There are at least 70 kids on that team that have absolutely nothing to do with Nevin Shapiro," Highsmith said. "And you are going to tarnish their image over the actions of a few?

"You want to punish those kids that did something wrong, fine, I understand. But it's a total travesty to punish the other kids who made good decisions. I'm going to sue if they try to ruin these kids' college experience. I'm going to sue somebody."
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That's fucking right. The NCAA would not want to argue this shit. I hope more former players get on board.
 
No, it's not fucking right. You're part of a team. You take it for the team or get the fuck out. If you say, no, it's fine, we'll just punish these 10 people, what kind of message does it send to everyone else? We're not a team. Also, they came to college for an education, did they not? The lawsuit is bullshit. Everyone agreed to follow the NCAA rules once they agreed to play ball.
 
IMO the upcoming superconferences should just dump the NCAA ASAP. Highly sought NFL prospects are going to "live the high life"... the NCAA trying to stop this seems futile.
 
Kenickie said:
No, it's not fucking right. You're part of a team. You take it for the team or get the fuck out. If you say, no, it's fine, we'll just punish these 10 people, what kind of message does it send to everyone else? We're not a team. Also, they came to college for an education, did they not? The lawsuit is bullshit. Everyone agreed to follow the NCAA rules once they agreed to play ball.
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What the fuck are you talking about?
 
235360287471352662 said:
...nobody at UM did anything wrong. They may have broken rules...
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Illolgical.


3 said:
And what do you mean by filling the void Miami leaved behind? If Miami fans feel that the odds are so stacked against them that watching CFB isn't even worth it anymore, they are not going to hop on another teams bandwagon. Miami will have no college football team of interest, and the market for college football down here will die. That seems like a void that is impossible to fill.
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I couldn't give a shit less about Miami fans. I was talking about the hole it would make in the ACC and college football overall. The industry survives, someone else in college football will move up to fill the time slots and recruiting leads. Sorry I wasn't clear on that.

Kenickie said:
You know LSU (and Auburn, for that matter) was punished by the NCAA THIS YEAR, right? or is losing scholarships not hard enough for you?
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For those who didn't tune into the SEC media days (what, not of interest outside our region? lol), Chizik got his ass handed to him when asking the NCAA investigator when they'd be done..in front of a handful of other coaches, and she replied "You'll know when we're done with you". Same for TN still awaiting conclusion of the NCAA investigations on them. There's been a lot of coverage of a lot of schools getting investigated, but damn few with any conclusion to the rulings (including tOSU, apparently). Nobody's dropped a hammer on MIA, but MIA has no area to whinge about getting hammered less or more than the other schools when the other schools haven't been judged final as yet.

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Miami self-reported the current violations a year ago, or tried to. This fucking asshole would not give UM the common courtesy of giving the school the chance to review the violations, which is standard practice.
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This guys influence appeared to end in 2004, the NCAA would be hard pressed to do anything more serious than 2-4 years of probation (actual probation, not the face saving bullshit probation that LSU got), which UM would recover from fairly quickly. While there is indeed some truth in this report, a fuckload of it is littered with lies and this will keep UM away from any death penalty like probation.
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Actually, he's citing activity with players that are still in school (two underclassmen at UF and one at UGA, for instance) so there's plenty of alleged activity beyond 2004. But here's the kicker, if MIA has been keeping a clean house, and is cooperating with the NCAA, then the liar's pants will be on fire. However, if there are any aspects of his story that are true...it remains to be answered by MIA why didn't they shut it down, and if they claim they weren't aware enough to shut it down...why weren't they?

As time goes on, I'm getting more inclined that his story is 90% bluster for more 'hey look at me' time. But it's got roots. The question the NCAA has to figure out is how deep those roots go.

3 said:
At the end of this scandal, I want to see so much bloodshed that the entire sports world becomes too scared to ever investigate Miami again. We are a small school and an easy target, so we need to resort to unconventional tactics in order to defend ourselves.
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Stay classy. 8(
 
Tyrone Moss is now saying that everything is a lie. He is Yahoo's only solid source, but he's taking everything back.

The fuckers who tried to fuck with the U will rue the day. They will rue the day.
 
235360287471352662 said:
Tyrone Moss is now saying that everything is a lie. He is Yahoo's only solid source, but he's taking everything back.

The fuckers who tried to fuck with the U will rue the day. They will rue the day.
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Looks like the intimidation on Tyrone worked. It's a good thing we didn't need to resort to violence against one of our own (not that I'm against it if he stuck to being a snitch) =D


But yes, if they actually manage to fuck with the U beyond our image (which is obviously unchanged despite years of maintaining a clean appearance) then the streets will be thick with the blood of our enemies. Nevin is probably as good as dead, but we all know this shit will progress into riots or worse if they impose any severe sanctions on us.

Fuck class, The U is an organized crime syndicate that happens to play football. You rue the day you fuck with The U the same way you rue the day you fuck with the mafia.
 
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