the official 2011-12 college football thread! part 1 ver. WHERE IS SMOTPOKER??

[axl blaze]

the Communistic NCAA is at it again. this grade guideline is pretty scary, and will lower the average depth of talent a decade or so than what we're used to. say goodbye to the Ohio State University (imo) and the entire SEC (imo). who really expects these retard-savant football players to make these sort of grades?!

shiiit, I'm thinking the OU Sooners are going to the Big Ten! they would be just too perfect for Big Ten ball. I think they fit better here than there, the SEC

another Texas team wants to jump the ship - god damn!

looks like this is the beginning of the Super-Conference Era. and hilariously enough, it looks like then the Big 12 would be no more (with Big 12 teams being supplemented in the SEC and Big 10). while these aforementioned Super Conferences give me the heebie-jeebies, I've heard the sports talking heads say that this will have to herald the new age of a BCS playoffs system - which can only be a good thing, right?

 

[Shimmer.Fade]

Yea I see OU going to the Big 10 or Pac 12 before the SEC. There is a good article on linked on ESPN about it: http://newsok.com/berry-tramel-ou-wants-no-part-of-the-sec/article/3594510?custom_click=rss

I think the Big 10 would be the best fit geographically and tradition wise. Not to mention the Big 10 at least tries to keep its programs somewhat clean.

 

[Pegasus]

OU would be ridiculous to add to the SEC West. It's already the most loaded conference in the BCS, so add OU?!

I wouldn't mind seeing TAMU to the SEC West and a decent team like FSU to the East though tbh.

 

[axl blaze]

expect OU to go to the Big Ten in the next ten years. they have the same tradition, same pro-style offense, and same monstrous O and D linemen - Oklahoma would fit right in! Boomer Sooner, I say! it is only going to make the Big Ten a better conference. I've always liked OU, because they do remind me of a Big Ten team (choking jokes aside). it does seem that wherever OU is going, Oklahoma State will be following. it seems like that is a two package deal - just like how if the SEC were to acquire Texas A+M, they would be doing so for Texas

looks like Miami is next on the chopping block known as the NCAA infractions?

 

[34-dihydroxyphen]

the Communistic NCAA is at it again. this grade guideline is pretty scary, and will lower the average depth of talent a decade or so than what we're used to. say goodbye to the Ohio State University (imo) and the entire SEC (imo). who really expects these retard-savant football players to make these sort of grades?!

I think it is a pretty good idea. Sure, the "Student-Athlete" thing is a bit of a scam, as these guys are usually athletes without academic brains, and coaches/admins find loopholes to get some of these "non-eligible" kids into school every year, but it at least brings some accountability to the system. One might ask how the fuck Ohio State has such poor marks for it's athletes despite being a quality school (unlike West Virginia or LSU), and it is a perfectly valid question. In the case of Ohio State, some of it is due to the fact that they aren't afraid to fail a big time athlete (Chris Carter's kid flunked out of OSU, for fucksake) and perhaps they are being unfairly penalized.

It is an issue that some schools have a major competitive recruiting advantage over others because of the relative lack of standards that other schools have. WVU and LSU are every kid's fallback school. They both have some power of their own, of course, but one of the major draws is that kids don't have to try as hard to qualify, and kids are handed passing grades in order to keep them eligible.

I think it will be pretty harsh in the short-term, but it may change things for the better in the long-term perception-wise by forcing the mainstream to understand that you cannot force education on these kids, and that they really are at the school for athletics (if a school such as Ohio State becomes ineligible for this, you will see the mainstream opinion sway real fast. It will cost the sport major dollars). I'm of the opinion that scholarship athletes should get some kind of college credit for participating in their sport. Obviously it wouldn't be fair to grade them based on performance on the field, but for the sake of a school maintaining its academic integrity, a system where scholarship athletes in, let's say, football and basketball are only required to take the equivalent course load of your standard community college A.A. ( a required 60 credits instead of 120), instead of having to juggle really difficult classwork with the necessary participation in the athletics that are usually the sole reason most of these kids are even at such institutions to begin with.

With this tactic, kids would still be held to some academic standards, but none of them would be pushed to take higher level classes that everybody knows they don't belong in in the first place (which I would imagine often puts teachers in compromising situations: what do you do if an otherwise hard working student, who is also one of the teams top 5 players, cannot wrap his brains around some Senior level courses he took in a field that he thought would be a breeze, such as sport's journalism? Nobody wants to be "that teacher" that cost the school a championship, especially if the kid just isn't capable). Scholarship athletes would still maintain the option of pursuing a full degree, as some of these kids are extremely brilliant and worthy of degrees.


On a different note, I'm not worried about my Canes. The man making the allegations was involved in a major ponzi scheme and is in prison, and has a reputation for being a compulsive liar. He was making this same noise a year ago, saying he was going to write a "tell all" book, and UM immediately self-reported. No violations were found, but the guy obviously hasn't said what he actually did yet. No players have come forward alleging any illegal activity, which usually happens when a story like this one has been around for a year. The general opinion of this guy seems to be "who the fuck was he?" in most cases and "oh, that creepy ass 50 year old booster who was trying to hang out with college kids and got mad when we never called him again after we got away from his creepy ass?"

This is always to say you never know. Ohio State went down for some bullshit initially and the NCAA stuck around long enough to find every piece of dirt on that program they could find, most of which was out of the program's control. Somebody in Miami probably offers players free tatoos, and discount cars (although not at the Pryor level) and other valuable merchandise. These kids are celebrities, and they will get celebrity treatment. Small time boosters probably give kids at every school small amounts of cash without coaches even knowing about it. The NCAA seems to have more interest in finding out who got paid some small amount of cash or received some minor benefit while at a school (whether it was an institutional problem or not) than they do in actually punishing the most actively corrupt schools in which everybody from the coaching staff to the athletic department is complicit in making sure a couple blue-chippers go their way every year.

 

[23536]

fuck another decade of irrelevance for UM, fuck

this is the major write-up: http://sports.yahoo.com/investigati...miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611

 

[NeighborMike]

fuck another decade of irrelevance for UM, fuck

this is the major write-up: http://sports.yahoo.com/investigati...miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611

this info may be damning to the U but it goes on in just about every college
the more people continue to dig to try to "fix" college football they will continue to find info on this which will ultimately just devastate a lot of programs in the end

 

[Pander Bear]

but it goes on in just about every college

it doesn't go on at SMU these days, I'd hazard. If the NCAA was serious about the rules it writes, it could sanction away 90 percent of the violations. It doesn't.


As for the U getting hit again: lol. Mostly because of all the crowing 3,4 has done about how dirty other programs are, and how UM has cleaned up its act.

 

[NeighborMike]

it doesn't go on at SMU these days, I'd hazard. If the NCAA was serious about the rules it writes, it could sanction away 90 percent of the violations. It doesn't.


As for the U getting hit again: lol. Mostly because of all the crowing 3,4 has done about how dirty other programs are, and how UM has cleaned up its act.

Ha youre right, SMU, the only team to actually be stupid enough to get caught for this crap

 

[34-dihydroxyphen]

it doesn't go on at SMU these days, I'd hazard. If the NCAA was serious about the rules it writes, it could sanction away 90 percent of the violations. It doesn't.


As for the U getting hit again: lol. Mostly because of all the crowing 3,4 has done about how dirty other programs are, and how UM has cleaned up its act.

Well, college football may be forever ruined for me, since this is the second violation of this type in UM history, but I'm glad you find some amusement in it. Dick.



Snitches like this have to go. I hope this guy gets shanked in prison. This guy brought all of this out because the players didn't want to be his friend anymore when they moved on to the NFL and found out that he was a ponzi schemer.

What's really sad about this situation in particular is that many people within the program felt it was as clean as it had ever been, including my "source" on the Patrick Peterson scandal. Obviously, when you hire idiots for athletic directors (this all started under Paul Dee, the most incompetent athletic director of all time, responsible for the Coker and Shannon hires, which could be forgivable, but more notably responsible for being a horrible fund-raiser. The amount of revenue we took in increased by extreme margins once Kirby Hoccutt took over, but I am getting the feeling that he ran because he saw how out of control the team was getting with this booster). Apparently it was a situation where Coker gave preachy messages to stay away from boosters like this, which obviously didn't work because Coker commanded respect from no one (it was at it's worst from 2002-2004, most of the major allegations occur in that time frame), and while Shannon certainly curbed the amount of kids going that route, or at least kept the extent of what these kids received down, the administration was doing nothing to nip at it before it became "the worst scandal of all time," as it is being called now.

I'm hoping a lot of this information turns out to be false, but 8 former players (punk ass snitches who are dead to me), most notably Tyrone Moss, confirmed these little tidbits just for fun.

In the end, this particular scandal will end horribly not only for UM, but for all of college football. While this guy is starting with UM, he also plans to name a few schools that pay for recruits (according to him, UM never had to pay for recruits, as their money couldn't stack up with the SEC anyways and players were sold on living the Miami high-life). I hope the NCAA listens if they do happen to impose "death penalty" type punishments on UM, because we are certainly not the only guilty party here.

In the end, however, I think there is a chance we will actually get off relatively lightly for one reason and one reason alone: putting UM (or any major program) out of any possibility of relevance for more than a couple years will cost the NCAA millions of dollars. I'm sure they regret the SMU situation, as that school could have been a money making machine today, and instead they lost a lot of viewers forever. This is the only hope I'm clinging to. Even though the NCAA has warmed up to UM lately (of all the schools who have been violated recently, we are the first to cooperate fully, and guys like Shannon were probably serious about trying to clean up), the media still loves to jump the gun and attack us. Even if by some miracle 95% of what this guy has been saying has been lies, the NCAA will probably impose some penalty in order not to appear impotent.

More likely, however, even when you consider how large a television draw UM is, we are probably the best choice as a sacrificial lamb at a time where the NCAA is attempting to keep all things SEC going at full force (Auburn still hasn't been penalized?) while nitpicking everybody else (OSU, USCw). More people tune in to watch us lose, and we have a relatively small fanbase compared to the size of our city. If the NCAA goes the death penalty (or any kind of equivalent) route, I will likely boycott college football. I'm getting really sick of this shit, as great as the game is it is becoming increasingly corrupt, with teams like Miami getting all the media attention and "worst scandal of all time" attached to it's name in the very same year that it comes out that Auburn won a National Championship with a bought QB and LSU paid for a couple of players as well.

 

[Pander Bear]

Snitches like this have to go.

There's that thug-U mentality comin' back.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

^^+1 to PB

This guy brought all of this out because the players didn't want to be his friend anymore when they moved on to the NFL and found out that he was a ponzi schemer.

You read the Yahoo article? Yeah, he's pissed everyone turned their back when his shit hit the fan. But they (UM staff and officials) were right there with him for the better part of the last decade letting him do it. Ponzi or not, a booster with money (regardless of where it is coming from) behaving this way, after the Luke Skywalker shit? MIA brought it on themesleves with years of looking away.

Obviously, when you hire idiots for athletic directors (this all started under Paul Dee, the most incompetent athletic director of all time, responsible for the Coker and Shannon hires, which could be forgivable, but more notably responsible for being a horrible fund-raiser....and while Shannon certainly curbed the amount of kids going that route, or at least kept the extent of what these kids received down, the administration was doing nothing to nip at it before it became "the worst scandal of all time," as it is being called now.

Majority of sports fans are too young to appreciate the SMU scandal, so to the masses this IS the "worst scandal of all time". Media hype doesn't shy from hyperbole either. That said, when's the last time anyone put a finger on this many coaches, players, and University staff in a single stroke? Hyperbole applies if it is exaggeration, and the scale here doesn't imply exaggeration.

Still, it start with hiring "idiots for athletic directors" (and idiot presidents don't help either). Again, da U brought it on themselves, when they could have saved themselves early on. Perhaps the Thug U mentality was just quieter, but not eradicated.

...I think there is a chance we will actually get off relatively lightly for one reason and one reason alone: putting UM (or any major program) out of any possibility of relevance for more than a couple years will cost the NCAA millions of dollars.
...
More likely, however, even when you consider how large a television draw UM is, we are probably the best choice as a sacrificial lamb

Not a chance on the first bit. However, sacrificial lamb is a an abuse of the term. There is nothing 'innocent lamb'-ish about MIA in any of these allegations, though I'll concede the sacrificial bit. The NCAA is loosing ground and looking inept with handling of recent problems (AU, tOSU, USC, TN, etc). They need to make a clear, and rather HARD statement about disregarding the rules, and this is the best opportunity to do so. This isn't a 'hate on U' statement, but a reflection of this is the first instance where someone has years and years of documents, along with witness corroboration, to bury a program. None of this months, or years, of sniffing around for people that faded away and might know something. This is cold, hard evidence.

NCAA needs to send a shockwave through the collegiate system to re-assert its authority that so many flaunt. This is the way to do it, and others will get in line or get hammered worse than they imagined in the past.

As for killing a cash cow...I beg to differ. Yeah, MIA still has significant name recognition, but killing the program won't hurt the cash flowing through D1 football (legally, at least ). There's a lot more teams ready to fill any void that MIA leaves behind, other than playing at Landshark Stadium, perhaps. The bigger question in my mind, is if the NCAA flexes more muscle and tries to tighten it's grip....do the schools move further to the semi-pro direction. Meaning, we're now hearing increased noise about super conferences, paying athletes across the board (at least, where schools can afford it), and even some conferences seceding from the NCAA to do their own football system (can't find the link right now, don't know if it came from B1G or B12 commissioner, but essentially go to 3-4 superconferences that run their own playoff system on BCS cash and say 'fuck the NCAA', leaving all the other schools in the dust). While killing MIA would be significant to the NCAAF landscape, it's merit as a major domino is more in the power play between NCAA and money hungry conferences, and less in the actual school's name or history. It's the next step following on USCw, tOSU, AU (still coming) and TN (still coming) and ORE (still coming)....it's a big step, but just another step.




Tweet of the day, this year's tOSU vs MIA game to be called "The Ineligibowl"

 

[34-dihydroxyphen]

There's that thug-U mentality comin' back.

Might as well embrace it now

Seriously, snitching is not cool, and this guy seriously deserves to die. No joke. There is actually a chance he might get stabbed when he comes back to the Miami-Dade prison system. Even if he chooses solitary, the guards will make sure to kick his ass on a daily basis as long as he is down here. And I don't think Tyrone Moss and the 7 other players (who are still anonymous) who snitched on themselves are welcome in South Florida anymore. These guys just went from beloved to hated in an instant, and a few of them will catch beatings over this, you can expect to find that in the news pretty soon. Miami is a crazy city when it comes to its athletes, especially the UM ones.

I truly hope they don't try and put us on some 8 year probation for this shit. No way they cut out TV and call it an official death penalty, but I could realistically see those devious motherfuckers at the NCAA deciding on a really, really long probation that would permanently set back a school, while still collecting ad revenue from the broadcast itself (although FSU-Miami would cease to mean shit). They are always especially ingenious when it comes to dealing with Miami.

I have a feeling I am going to be one sport down.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

lighter note, more farks This time, of the Oregon play cards:

nsfw by size

NSFW:

 

[23536]

However, sacrificial lamb is a an abuse of the term. There is nothing 'innocent lamb'-ish about MIA in any of these allegations, though I'll concede the sacrificial bit.

I think "sacrificial lamb" is a fair term because nobody at UM did anything wrong. They may have broken rules, but were any of their alleged actions wrong? They shouldn't be made to suffer for benefiting from the fame they generated.

As a corollary, when Cuban athletes defect in order to become pros, they're portrayed as traitors to the Revolution, even though they do nothing but reap the natural rewards of their work. Even so, their names are besmirched and their families disowned. So then if the families of Cuban defectors can reasonably be regarded as innocent casualties, the Canes' program can be seen that way as well.

The NCAA is the villain.

 

[34-dihydroxyphen]

TLB: I wouldn't say that the NCAA is losing ground at all in its sanction battles. They hit USCw and the formerly damn near untouchable Ohio State pretty fucking hard compared to how they usually hit.

Yet they leave all these SEC teams, who have committed much greater violations, receive no punishment. How this can happen with Auburn, LSU, and Tenn is unbelievable to me. I am beginning to jump on the SEC conspiracy theory bandwagon. For whatever reason, the NCAA is really catering to these guys, and investigating and sanctioning everyone else, including Michigan for fuck sake.

And while Miami certainly isn't innocent of these allegations, they are likely not guilty of every single allegation in that article. Some of his "proof" isn't actually "proof." Owning a receipt to a fancy restaurant doesn't necessarily mean that a player was there with him. He has occasional photographs, but I doubt these meetings occurred as frequently as he claims. Something is wrong here in that he was still around the school (it is important to keep in mind that he donated a ton of money and appeared legitimate) after the head coaches wanted him gone for the future headaches he would cause. Both Coker and Shannon complained about him, and compliance wasn't heeding them. Usually, it is the other way around. He also did not give Miami a competitive advantage, but it seems that the NCAA is more concerned with rulebreakers than they are with actual cheaters.

But yes, sacrificing Miami would be enormous. Miami is one of the top 5 largest televisions draw in college football, and they have extremely loyal fan-bases in South Florida and New York who would not likely switch allegiance. If Florida went away would you become a fan of FSU, or Bethunne-Cookman? I doubt it, people tend to remain loyal to their team. If they sacrificed Miami by placing insane sanctions on them (insane would be defined as anything larger than a two year bowl ban and a reduction of 30 scholarships), then something fucking crazy is happening. It would be a stupid idea by the NCAA to deal any kind of deathblow to Miami, but they have done dumber things.

And what do you mean by filling the void Miami leaved behind? If Miami fans feel that the odds are so stacked against them that watching CFB isn't even worth it anymore, they are not going to hop on another teams bandwagon. Miami will have no college football team of interest, and the market for college football down here will die. That seems like a void that is impossible to fill.

 

[NeighborMike]

TLB: I wouldn't say that the NCAA is losing ground at all in its sanction battles. They hit USCw and the formerly damn near untouchable Ohio State pretty fucking hard compared to how they usually hit.

Yet they leave all these SEC teams, who have committed much greater violations, receive no punishment. How this can happen with Auburn, LSU, and Tenn is unbelievable to me. I am beginning to jump on the SEC conspiracy theory bandwagon. For whatever reason, the NCAA is really catering to these guys, and investigating and sanctioning everyone else, including Michigan for fuck sake.

And while Miami certainly isn't innocent of these allegations, they are likely not guilty of every single allegation in that article. Some of his "proof" isn't actually "proof." Owning a receipt to a fancy restaurant doesn't necessarily mean that a player was there with him. He has occasional photographs, but I doubt these meetings occurred as frequently as he claims. Something is wrong here in that he was still around the school (it is important to keep in mind that he donated a ton of money and appeared legitimate) after the head coaches wanted him gone for the future headaches he would cause. Both Coker and Shannon complained about him, and compliance wasn't heeding them. Usually, it is the other way around. He also did not give Miami a competitive advantage, but it seems that the NCAA is more concerned with rulebreakers than they are with actual cheaters.

But yes, sacrificing Miami would be enormous. Miami is one of the top 5 largest televisions draw in college football, and they have extremely loyal fan-bases in South Florida and New York who would not likely switch allegiance. If Florida went away would you become a fan of FSU, or Bethunne-Cookman? I doubt it, people tend to remain loyal to their team. If they sacrificed Miami by placing insane sanctions on them (insane would be defined as anything larger than a two year bowl ban and a reduction of 30 scholarships), then something fucking crazy is happening. It would be a stupid idea by the NCAA to deal any kind of deathblow to Miami, but they have done dumber things.

And what do you mean by filling the void Miami leaved behind? If Miami fans feel that the odds are so stacked against them that watching CFB isn't even worth it anymore, they are not going to hop on another teams bandwagon. Miami will have no college football team of interest, and the market for college football down here will die. That seems like a void that is impossible to fill.

The bottom part of your post is what very interesting to me about this situation. The severity of whats going on here certainly warrents the death penalty, because its sure not like this is the first time the U has gotten in trouble

But to destroys the U's program would be a gigantic blow to many different areas. Mainly because you talk about how large the program really is. Some bad things may have been going on at SMU but they were never the type of program the U is, not even close

And to call the guy a snitch is fair, but I have to ask if any of you saying this have ever seen the inside of a jail cell? I have and I cant imagine spending thousands/millions on people/the program and not having any of them put money on your books or at least answer the phone.

3,4 is right, this guy isnt safe in prison or in the streets of florida anymore, nor are the people who co-signed on his storys

 

[Kenickie]

Yet they leave all these SEC teams, who have committed much greater violations, receive no punishment. How this can happen with Auburn, LSU, and Tenn is unbelievable to me. I am beginning to jump on the SEC conspiracy theory bandwagon. For whatever reason, the NCAA is really catering to these guys, and investigating and sanctioning everyone else, including Michigan for fuck sake.

blah blah blah sour grapes. You know LSU (and Auburn, for that matter) was punished by the NCAA THIS YEAR, right? or is losing scholarships not hard enough for you? Here's to hoping that one day the SEC secedes and we Southerners can enjoy our cheater filled, nasty, bad attitude, no integrity etc etc etc whatever else Ohio says about the rest of us, football without any attitude from anyone else.

 

[axl blaze]

I love this shit! my internet connection is spotty. look at all of us! going after one another's throats. college football season is truly just about back, and my nipples are diamonds

I actually agree with 3, 4 in that these shady, loser-ass boosters MUST DIE. they are ruining programs. they just about ruined the formerly untouchable (we'll see how this season plays out) tOSU. they all seem like losers, and this Shapiro ponzi-scheming Miami dirtbag could be the worst of them all. BOO-HOO. you think these college football players are your friends? REALLY? because I think when you force a bunch of 18-20 year old college guys to hang out with you, a 40ish year old man, THEY ARE MAKING FUN OF YOU. they are not your friends, and all these shady boosters do is ruin fine programs. I agree, they must die

LSU and Auburn weren't punished enough. what's wrong with the NCAA is that they don't have some sort of uniformed disciplined system, and these things are ALWAYS hard to prove (unless your Miami and your shit is plastered all over the internet). I mean, I hate saying this sorta thing, that teams need to be punished more - but let's face it - Cam Newton should not have played in the National Championship (and TP should not have played in his bowl game, also)

on the other hand, I can't wait to be 3-0 VS Miami. I've heard that their fans are pretty brutal, even at times worst than the insufferable redneck fans of the Gators

 

[Kenickie]

LSU and Auburn weren't punished enough. what's wrong with the NCAA is that they don't have some sort of uniformed disciplined system, and these things are ALWAYS hard to prove (unless your Miami and your shit is plastered all over the internet). I mean, I hate saying this sorta thing, that teams need to be punished more - but let's face it - Cam Newton should not have played in the National Championship (and TP should not have played in his bowl game, also)

LSU got off easier because they self reported and had dude involved resign before they even went to the NCAA, the NCAA told them to extend their probation for another year, as for Auburn, who the fuck knows, it's Alabama, I don't know what's going on down there. Funny how its only Auburn and LSU (and Tennessee?) that gets the SEC haterade treatment, what about the god damn Tide? or Pander's Dawgs, for that matter?