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The next big psychadelic

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So, while having a discussion with a close friend and tripping partner, we got into a discussion (as we always do) about psychadelics of the past, present and future.. And I do understand that me adding "future" into that list can present many questions.. Let me attempt to explain.

While searching a board much like this one, I came across a thread about Ayauasca and Peyote. Having never done either of these, my whole theory may be debunked, but I will continue anyways.

Reading through the thread, I saw that someone described the visuals of both seem to be almost "Aztec" or "Mayan" looking, which made me wonder.. If the Aztecs and Mayans were ingesting these powerful chemicals, they were obviously building their cities, etc from their visuals.

Now, I have dosed many, many, many, maaany times and I can definitely describe the visuals as "electronic" and "futuristic." When LSD was created, obviously, nothing was really either of those things, futuristic OR electronic.. But after 20-30 years of the drug being around, things started to change.. The world around us basically started to describe the visuals of an LSD trip, which brings me to the point of this thread..

Will there be another breakthrough in psychadelics? What visions/visuals from what future psychadelics will we model our civilization after?


Just something to ponder..
 
The shapes of the world that surrounds us is a the result of an extremely complex combination of variables simultaneously natural, socio-economical, cultural, geographical, and available resources, art, science, politics, channeled through each independent will of nature's creatures, plants and matter.

To add to the already infinite complexity of our micro and macro environments, this awesome continuous infinite unfolding of events through time and space which constitutes our existence and experience can be witnessed through infinitely different perspectives, as altered states of consciousness can teach us.

It would be foolish to assume that psychoactives have never influenced us in our expressions of art, esthetics, design, engineering, architecture etc. but to choose to see it as the sole provider of visions which shape our future is a very simplistic and unrealistic way of looking at things.

The futuristic style that constitutes our present day was greatly imagined by science-fiction pioneers, artists, and visionaries such as Isaac Asimov, George Orwell and Aldous Huxley in works such as Cosmic Corkscrew(1937), 1984(1949) and Brave New World(1932) and was also shaped by great inventors and engineers such as Nikola Tesla. This was years before the widespread of LSD (1960s). A lot of this was even before it was discovered to be a psychedelic in 1943.

We can definitely consider the influence of psychedelics on the shape of the future. We should not ignore it, but it is just one of the many free radicals that change the course of things and shape our unique universe.

IMHO
 
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the double helix (the spiral in dna) was discovered by a scientist tripping the experiment was documented and a well known. I rember once telling my professor that and we got into a huge argument. i proved him wrong :). I think clinical applications where they give great minds lsd and have these thinkers think in an abstract free form environment is good for innovation. and on a side note i always thought that too about the Aztecs and Mayans kinda cool. there are other people who admit to there great inventions/innovations while under the influence.
 
I think the next "big" psychedelic will be one that is already out there - DMT. Especially once the druggies get word of the new Spirit Molecule documentary coming out in October and get together tripping with their buds and watch it - www.thespiritmolecule.com
 
atara said:
The next "big" psychedelic? Sorry, but it's just not gonna happen. I think the only psychedelic RC that ever caught on much was foxy, and that was banned as soon as it started to show up in clubs.
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4-aco dmt has caught on fairly well, and if we're talking about club drugs mephedrone was huge last year in the U.K.
 
I've seen intense Mayan/ Aztec patterns from ingesting LSD, which was invented post the industrial revolution.

I don't think that the substance is what causes the visual themes, I think it is the substance increasing our awareness to the collective unconscious.

But I must admit DMT brings forth more aztec imagery than most anything in low doses. unless I truly break through and then its just a whole other story.

Try meditating sober, I bet you'll see some Aztec/ Mayan "visuals"
 
guerillabedlam said:
4-aco dmt has caught on fairly well, and if we're talking about club drugs mephedrone was huge last year in the U.K.
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I definitely think 4-AcO-DMT will become much bigger over the next few years, though if it's ever going to make it as a street drug it'd probably need a nice short catchy name, not Psilacetin or 4-AcO-DMT.

There will always be new drugs, so of course we'll see many new big discoveries in the future, I have to agree with Visitor Q that while psychoactive drugs have a big impact you have to remember they're not the only factor.
 
Jesusgreen, I think that since mushrooms are so damn easy to grow, 4-aco-dmt will never really "catch" on in the sense that say mushrooms or LSD have. Having such a similar effect and all


It is just a lot harder to order a chem than grow a fungus in your basement. Just my thoughts...
 
Why are we searching for this ONE great new psychedelic?
I think what Shulgin & friends tried to teach us is that there is a whole unexplored psychedelic world out there.... with endless possible psychoactive compounds just waiting to be discovered or synthesized.

Why should we settle for one? This is a great human flaw IMO, always trying to determine what the UNIVERSAL answer is, or which option is the BEST. Not accepting the idea of difference but rather trying to put things on a scale from worst to best.

Always searching for that ONE solution,
Worshipping that ONE God, a God so vague, tasteless, odorless and shapeless we can hardly speak about it/him.

I say fuck it... Hail polytheism! and hail polypsychedelicism!

Who's with me?...
 
the first thing that occured to me on DMT was everything had an aztec feel to it, with a huge female presence. but when i broke thought it was something else
 
organicmusic said:
Jesusgreen, I think that since mushrooms are so damn easy to grow, 4-aco-dmt will never really "catch" on in the sense that say mushrooms or LSD have. Having such a similar effect and all


It is just a lot harder to order a chem than grow a fungus in your basement. Just my thoughts...
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Yeah, right... You think a bunch of foolish teenagers will have a harder time ordering something off the internet that they can get delivered over night than they will successfully growing mushrooms over the course of one to two months?

I disagree
 
Everyone grows out of the teenager phase.

Many into the "I could easily grow $1,000s of dollars of fungus in my basement with little effort phase"


I'm hoping many will grow into the "I could easily grow pounds and pounds of mushrooms to be spread to my friends in return for love"

but I'm a optimist
 
atara said:
The next "big" psychedelic? Sorry, but it's just not gonna happen. I think the only psychedelic RC that ever caught on much was foxy, and that was banned as soon as it started to show up in clubs.
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i dunno man 4-aco-dmt was pretty kewl
 
I could definitely see 4-AcO-DMT catching on fast... little to no body load, crazy intense trips not unlike mushrooms but with (from what I've heard) a much more forgiving head space? Kiddies will be getting mommy and daddy's credit cards and ordering it by the 10s of grams just like they did with meph.
 
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