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The New MDMA Replacements, and the legal implications

Australia is such a great country in that it is almost impossible to import anything because of tough border control. There is absolutely no way I would be importing a powder from OS in the mail. Do not be the first to get a criminal record for doing such a silly thing.
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Key word being almost.

Fuck this country and it's border controls and laws and shit.

And just remember, RC's have not had sufficient human trials conducted with them to say with any certainty what the long term effects might be.
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Yeah this is what concerns me with some RCs, especially considering some of the heavy physical effects some people report experiencing on them.
 
I know some people are against this, but the only way to remotely argue against broad analog prosecution is to make a product that is not intended for human consumption....an RC is non descript, but then the burden of proof is on you to explain yourself. At least a bath salt or fertilizer the burden of proof is on the authorities to prove misuse which they may or may not pursue.

People in the UK are often not sympathetic to those living under the analog act. Dual use becomes an important detail, and RC isnt necessarily good enough.


We need something with a legitimate dual use, as in it actually works for its intended purpose for a non consumption application...then we can have it in the US.
 
hundreds of kilos of powder form drugs get into this country on a daily basis.. Getting in something of an aminoindane class wil llikely be no problem for any kind of scientific reasearch.. must more research needs to be done of these compounds.. and to all you fucking heroes who think my thread will just get it banned - think again.

Try if you dare to import them - just dont fucking whinge - this is for HR purposes only, it's knowledge, nad knowledge is power. One people realize the meph precursors are fucking 100% legal pretty much... they'll be cooking it locally with little to no drama.

This is all tip of the iceberg stuff- and im keen to see what happens now, if these are less neurotoxic or anything along those lines, i'd quite like to see bioassay reports from aussie BLers on these substances, instead of what we suspect to be shillers.

Fuck your posts off about DELETE DELETE DELETE... My posts are still in line with guidelinee, it's information on chems that are likely to be come popular is they're good, and with all these drugs - theres a high chance banning them will happen soon, but its probably a good 12-36months later before legislations is fully changed to hang these drugs out to dry...
 
I agree that posts here on BL are not going to make or break the governments position on these chems. I think they will figure out that the same companies that were selling meph are now selling this stuff, even without these posts.

Yes, its possible to import and not get caught, but some of us have families and dont want to take risks.
 
People should care less about the government reading BL, and care more about helping australian drug users stay safe.
 
^ I second that!

I am pretty sick of reading people bitch about threads like this, the whole point of Bluelight is to spread useful information on recreational substances, not fucking hide it. If you really think Bluelight is the authorities first port of call on finding out about shit like this you have your head up your arse imho.

Even if it was the first and only place they got their information it still serves the purpose of bluelight more to release the info to the recreational user and eventually get the product banned than it does to have a chemical available for years without anyone knowing shit about it.

I am glad you idiots would rather be blind guinea pigs when sampling these substances than have the first idea what they are doing to you and why. Personally I would rather get some info on them before I choose to consume and I like to think the majority of BL would be the same, it is what its here for!

These compounds sound pretty interesting, hopefully one or both of them are relatively safe and quite useful as MDMA replacements.
 
5-IAI isnt going to be what your hoping for
personally id prefer methylone
theres a few bioassays on the net if your really that curious.
dose is around 50-75mg
and duration is not as long as mdma
i wanted to redose but i guess i crave more mdma when i start to comedown

be careful with vendors...half of them are scams
 
Sykik said:
People should care less about the government reading BL, and care more about helping australian drug users stay safe.
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Totally. And +1 to drug mentor.


While drug policy is a very important issue to tackle, and people should not outright incriminate themselves too much, its better to be open and offer productive harm reduction than to pretend that we are going to keep RCs on the DL if we just dont talk about them on bluelight. lol. Take a benzo and chill out.




Somebody has tried this?
 
MrIbis said:
hundreds of kilos of powder form drugs get into this country on a daily basis.. Getting in something of an aminoindane class wil llikely be no problem for any kind of scientific reasearch.. must more research needs to be done of these compounds.. and to all you fucking heroes who think my thread will just get it banned - think again.

Try if you dare to import them - just dont fucking whinge - this is for HR purposes only, it's knowledge, nad knowledge is power. One people realize the meph precursors are fucking 100% legal pretty much... they'll be cooking it locally with little to no drama.

This is all tip of the iceberg stuff- and im keen to see what happens now, if these are less neurotoxic or anything along those lines, i'd quite like to see bioassay reports from aussie BLers on these substances, instead of what we suspect to be shillers.

Fuck your posts off about DELETE DELETE DELETE... My posts are still in line with guidelinee, it's information on chems that are likely to be come popular is they're good, and with all these drugs - theres a high chance banning them will happen soon, but its probably a good 12-36months later before legislations is fully changed to hang these drugs out to dry...
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hey well said mate.
at least you and other people say stuff that is relevant and is hr related.
a lot of my ramblings are just bullshit bravado ego tripping.
i endeavour to pull my finger out and stop being such a git and try to say relevant stuff on topic or just shutup.
i am serious.
i am not being sarcastic.

i too would like proper reports and bioassay's done before thay are unleashed.
for i really hope that they do come up with some drug that is as good as mdma, or hey, why not even better than.

so, thankyou to mr ibis and phase dancer and the mods for the input they make for us all.:D
 
a big thumbs up to those who care more about the end users than the fucking cops! What we discuss here could well save a lurkers life, and even more to the point possibly their friends if they dare enough to preach a little ;)
 
Hey guys, has anyone here tried 5-IAI? Sounds pretty interesting... I'd love to hear anyone's experiences on it since it does look like it can circumnavigate the analogue laws. I'll have a little look around and see if I can find any research articles about it :)
 
I agree, if the government is interested in a new substance that has entered the country they will test it, and then classify it accordingly, I know a freind who got cought with methedrone tablets and was done for possession, and then he recieved a letter in the mail from the policeman, and was advised that the chemical he had was unclassified and as such the charges were dropped, and he was told that if he wanted he could come and pick up the tablets, as they wern't illegal to have...

I believe thought, that as these tablets have similar effects to MDMA, they will be banned soon, i recently read a research article, that stated the ill effects of this particular drug, so i dare say that the government will attempt to use this information in getting the drug added to the banned list... :-( It's a shame, as it was nice to be able to have something when going to festivals etc etc that wasn't illegal...
 
Downloader08 said:
Hey guys, has anyone here tried 5-IAI? Sounds pretty interesting... I'd love to hear anyone's experiences on it since it does look like it can circumnavigate the analogue laws. I'll have a little look around and see if I can find any research articles about it :)
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There is currently very little information available on 5-IAI (5-Iodo-2-Aminoindane) and I doubt many people, if any, in Australia have had the chance to bioassay it at this time
 
I wish people would stop confusing 'methedrone' with 'mephedrone'... bk-PMMA is not my cup of tea.

Yes Psilo you are right, 5-IAI most likely hasn't had alot, if any - of our Australian friends bioassay it. I do hope to see it in action some time soon. It shouldn't be long - given the potential of this stuff - for it to be all over the place like hot cakes within the coming weeks.
 
^^^^ bring it on LOL

sounds like a lot of fun to me

and given its capacity to be fun, will no doubt be banned sooner than it's around
 
I've got a question that someone with a little lega knowledge might be able to help with.

Due to 5-iai not being covered by anologue laws (yet) it is legal. If one were to import some 5-iai while it was still in its present legal status, would it be possible for that person to be charged AFTER legislation has come into affect making the substance illegal?
 
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