Upon review, my comment didn't make much sense, forgive me sleep deprivation is a bitch.
Tell me about it brother, my brain has been put into overdrive and I'm getting by on just a couple of hours or so each night, I don't feel the tiredness but eventually things start to get a little... weird...
However my main concern though is that despite members like yourself and a handful of others best efforts to warn people and ward off irresponsible drug use and behaviours, there is still the presence of those here who seem to hold no regard for their safety or the safety of others, spilling out useless and often dangerous advice. We are talking about drugs that are completely foreign to the world of pharmacology, drugs that emergency room doctors simply know nothing about, and as a resultl; can't treat.
Yes, unfortunately there are always those who will do dangerous and risky things no matter how much is actually out there about a certain substance and how well educated most people should be about it; alcohol comes to mind.
And there are forums out there where there the standards are much lower and people are getting potentially wrong and potentially dangerous information from them. At least here on BL it's pretty tight in regards to people talking about dangerous usage, people will often mention when something is stupid and irresponsible. Still, you raise a valid point about the people out there in the world with little care for themselves and others who are a danger. The only thing, in my mind, is to try and educate as much as possible and right now drug education is in a very woeful state, something that doesn't really need stating.
I understand that a teenage kid in his bedroom with this 'new mdma like chemical' is hard to persuade, however i really think the message needs to be reinforced that these drugs are potentially life threatening.
There is no right or wrong here, i just shudder at the thought of what some of these chems are doing to the young up and coming drug users of today.
Of course, and no one is saying that they aren't life threatening. We just need to be able to discuss them and their usage, and the people who do use them need to be able to provide us with information on how these substances are affecting them. I hate to say it, but we really have no idea what the dangers are until someone runs head on into them, as has happened with every single substance in history.
I also wonder about the long term effects of some of these substances, even the short term effects of those we have little idea about. We are in a new age of an abundance of chemicals with little pharmacological information available about them, and we are in this age because of the current approach to drug enforcement taken by governments the world over. The search for ways to get around the law has led to this, the age of the 'research' chemical.
I dont agree with your first point. The reason people ignore the authorities when they dissuade us from using drugs is because 99% of what they say is propaganda. Propaganda leads to distrust and in turn leads to rebellion from those who would most benefit from usesful information. And i don't think that the majority of these RC users know what they are dabbling in, the ignorance of many who haven't run into problems on drugs is that it 'wont happen to me'.
People testing with no ill effects really means nothing. What if the side effects of something like 4-MMC take years to manifest? This is my point, we do not know the long term side effects. Shit, we don't truly know the long term effects of MDMA and it has been around for 25 years.
I can't speak for static_mind, but you are very right about the effect propaganda has had on people's trust.
As for side effects again, it is probably going to be a long time before we know what effect these substances can have on people. People have been using stupidly it seems, the best we can do now is learn and try and warn that if you are using a substance like 4-MMC with so little research around it, be careful and don't use it as if it's non-toxic play dough or something.
