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I hope it wasn't just my personal experience that turned you off methadone. Like I said in my post, it does work great for some people. In the circumstances that I was facing, with my personal situation, I needed a substitute. I would have much rather detoxed, but I'm a real pussy when it comes to withdrawal. I've done it before, numerous times like everyone else. Even with self administered naltrexone, yes I'm an idiot. But everyone is different, has different circumstances and has different people who rely on them. I tried bupe, it didn't really work, so the only other option I had was methadone. And it works, but it's not a very good life. For me.

Thanks for the kind words though, I appreciate the gratitude but I hope that I haven't inadvertently turned you down the road more or less travelled for the wrong reasons, it may work well for you, it may not. It is your decision ultimately, as it was mine. Still, I would take methadone over the alternative that my head was thinking at the time. It saved my life so I can't be too hard on it.
 
Hi Catching Fish. This is in response to your question on methadone, but I wanted to introduce myself first.
I have been a very long time reader of bluelight and have found it extremely helpful on many occasions. Just knowing there are other people out there in very similar situations makes me feel not so alone.
Anyway I finally decided to start posting yesterday and start sharing my experiences.
I'm on my third go at methadone (3rd in 20 years).
I take my dose at about 7 in the morning on a work day and usually between 10 & 11 on the weekend.
The only time I wake up feeling like crap is when I'm also going through a binge with gear. Unfortunately over the past few years this has been the case more often than not.
I recently upped my dose because things had become way out of control.
But I have to admit that I have always felt so much better when I just stick to my dose only and do not use at all. Mentally and physically.
 
Thanks for that Pietra. What dose are you on now? Do you feel any narcotic effects from your dose or does it just bring you back to baseline? Feel free not to answer this because it might be a bit personal but do you have any idea where you are heading with your methadone treatment (as in are you content staying on it or do you plan do get off it in the future)?

If anyone else wants to share anything about their current methadone experiences I would love to hear. I've always been very interested as it seems common that various people have differing opinions on methadone ranging from the two extreme points of love/hate.

I have never had any first hand experience with it myself, however I do have a persistent PST habit which certainly seems to share some common characteristics with methadone therapy.
 
Hi Catching Fish. Ok, here goes. I am now on 40 mg methadone. I was on 25mg because when I went back on it this latest time around I said that I did not want to be on more than 30. Now what I was doing was taking maybe half my dose and using just about every day. This went on and on until I got into terrible debt!
When I told my doc what was going on and how much I was using he put my dose up to 40 which I said ok to but I also said that I really didn't want to go any higher than that; and it has helped. Although I'm also broke which probably has more to do with not using.
As far as the future goes, I really don't know. I love using heroin and if it was legal so many of the problems faced by people in my situation would disappear.
When I was younger I was able to go on a binge for a few weeks and then forget about using for months!
When I reached my 40's I just went crazy! I realised the other day that ive just gone 12 days of no gear which is the longest period of abstinence in 3 years!
Methadone can be really helpful but only if you really want to stop using and you're willing to stay away from everyone & everything that you associate with using!
 
Thanks mate, I appreciate you taking the time to write that. Legal heroin... we can dream. Failing that, is the idea of giving heroin addicts heroin to maintain themselves rather than methadone so outrageous? Whichever direction you choose to go with your therapy I wish you all the best and really hope your financial issues get resolved soon. Are you working at the moment?
 
Yep. I'm working full time and have been for years. The amount I've spent on gear would have bought me a house for sure. Instead I'm now having to take out a loan to consolidate credit card debt which I got from maxing out 4 credit cards. What I was doing was using my pay on my habit and putting all my other living expenses on the cards. In the end I was only paying off the interest so I had to get a loan to pay off the cards.
But yeah, I don't understand why doctors etc completely reject the idea of giving legal heroin to addicts, particularly people that have tried methadone, without success.
 
I guess the only positive of being broke is that using just simply isn't an option. I'm far from financially sound at the moment, but I guess I should consider myself lucky since I'm not even half way through my 20s and firmly believe I have already hit rock bottom (let's hope so). Egg and cress... isn't life wonderful.
 
Hey mate, yeah that is definitely the only up side to being broke!
If you feel that you have hit rock bottom, then the good thing in that is that you have plenty of time to turn your life around; you're still young. And you sound like you've made up your mind to do it.
Hope it all works out for you.
PST is something I have never tried. As a matter of fact I'd never even heard of it until a couple of years ago. Does it help keep your mind of using smack? What does it taste like?
 
Ive used pst quite a bit although not for maintaining a habit or keeping from withdrawls, just when i cant find anyone to help smack my bum

There is a great and extremely easy method posted on an other website by a bluelighter.

Other than that its rather dangerous tryingnto does correctly for any tolerance as you simply have no idea what the potency on the seeds you have are. I usually dose 400g - 500g depending on the seeds and colour n murkyness of the tea. Although its probs just luck of the draw really dont ever rely on the colour and murkyness.

My first time i had no tolerance i used 300g of <no sources> brought seeds and was nodding hard for like 6-8 hours i was blow away by thr effectivness and the dact you could purchase from ur local shoppyc

Nothing beats some good china white tho. (Would love to someday try black tar)

Ps. It tastes like sour milk mixed with distilled urine
 
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^lots of peeps hate on tar, but I rate it ,even after being spoiled with the best #4. Smoking is my preferred ROA tho.

I can't stand pst , I'm sure there is so much orrible shite on the outside of the those seeds. Although I have picked up a bit of hit off PST I always felt a bit seedy off it.
 
Thanks Afa. Wow, sour milk and distilled urine. How hard was it to get and keep it down? One of these days I might try it out of curiosity but I imagine if you're on methadone you wouldn't get the full effect?
 
I gotta pinch my nose while drinking n chase it with some oj.

Might needa wait for one of more experianced fellas to answer ur question about feeling high while on methadone.

Ive read thay people with habits use pst to just get back to baseline and push back the withdrawls depening on your tolerance.

Pst isnt just morphine is a big mix of alkoids so once again its difficult to gauge doses and how much to take with this tolly.

Good to see you have stopped lurking, its a good change. Being involed is much more satisfying, i was lurking for like 3-4 years before signing up
 
I don't think pst tastes bad at all. It doesn't have an overwhelming flavour to me, it kind of tastes a bit like old library books smell like. Musty and earthy. If you reduce it over heat/by evapouration the resulting brown sludge is quite bitter, but diluted in a tea it's not a problem. By comparison a cwe is ten times worse tasting and hard to get down, IME.
 
Haha whoa foots im exactly the oposite, id take the taste of cwe anyday over pst anyday
 
im letting it soak for 15 minutes usually will shake it like crazy 3 times 5 minutes apart. am I soaking it too long coz it is really awful
 
Yep. Less is more...
I dont do it any more, but had 8+ years perfecting my technique.
It's a wash, not an extraction :)

A minute of agitation > 15 minutes to soak.
No heat, no "leave it longer to get more actives"
If you eschew soaking it (which allows the seeds to hydrate; they get soft and waterlogged) you end up with less oils getting released into your solution, so you avoid that vaguely rancid nutty taste.

I used to do 3 quick [separate] washes and combine them all together. Would use citrus juice for the 1st wash (GFJ or lemon generally) then cold (tap) water for the 2nd and 3rd wash - just a taste thing I guess - helps cover any seed funk flavour, you dig?

Not encouraging anyone to become big PST heads but there is an optimum tek IME.
Do it with freshly squeezed juice and it won't taste bad.
 
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Thanks Space, will try that method this weekend :)

For the first wash would a squeeze of lemon juice with the cold water enough to iniate the acidic chemical process?

Did u purchase GFJ or squeeze it yourself
 
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