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"The" Message": Entity Contact and the Illusory Universe
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Termino
Bluelighter
^ Exactly!
From Liber AL vel Legis sub figura CCXX (The Book of the Law), Chapter 1
29. For I am divided for love's sake, for the chance of union.
30. This is the creation of the world, that the pain of division is as nothing, and the joy of dissolution all.
My take is that people are experiencing a glimpse of the 'true underlying reality' that is behind all of existence. The veil has been peeled back just a bit, and of course there's this feeling of finding something you had lost, because that's exactly it. You had experienced the full state while 'dead' and still carry a deeply buried memory of that bliss. Mystics throughout the ages have attained to this state of awareness, both with and without drugs.
DwayneHoover
Bluelighter
^ Thanks Termino, I think you have it EXACTLY right.
"You had experienced the full state while 'dead' and still carry a deeply buried memory of that bliss." YES!
I know that somewhere, perhaps from a dream, even as a child long before I did any drugs, I have had this strange half-MEMORY of an exit from some bubble at the moment of leaving a previous life, entering a timeless realm filled with light where I remembered doing this many many times before, and sensing other "beings of light" all around me... then entering into a new "bubble". I had the impression that the "life bubbles" were inside of some artifact or mechanism or perhaps a collective "thought form" that the light-beings had created for this purpose... looked alot like the "death tape" sequences of the genius movie Brainstorm, and when I first saw that I literally gasped out loud in recognition, tears came to my eyes. Once I assembled a tape that combined all the death-sequences into one continuous scene, quite powerful.
Holy crap I swear to God, that as I am typing this post this I am hearing RIGHT NOW over NPR on the radio a story about about Ken Kesey (see here for prnt and audio of this story http://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/146210681/keseys-cuckoos-nest-still-flying-at-50), his participation in experiments with peyote, mentioning Louise Fletcher in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and who is the one in Brainstorm whose death experience is documented on the tape.... SHIVERS DOWN MY SPINE! SYNCHRONICITY TO THE MAX!!! (Maybe this is a sign tonight is a good night to trip, haha!)
from the lengthy page about the film in French with many other images (use google or other translate to read) at http://devildead.com/indexfilm.php3?FilmID=1787
"You had experienced the full state while 'dead' and still carry a deeply buried memory of that bliss." YES!
I know that somewhere, perhaps from a dream, even as a child long before I did any drugs, I have had this strange half-MEMORY of an exit from some bubble at the moment of leaving a previous life, entering a timeless realm filled with light where I remembered doing this many many times before, and sensing other "beings of light" all around me... then entering into a new "bubble". I had the impression that the "life bubbles" were inside of some artifact or mechanism or perhaps a collective "thought form" that the light-beings had created for this purpose... looked alot like the "death tape" sequences of the genius movie Brainstorm, and when I first saw that I literally gasped out loud in recognition, tears came to my eyes. Once I assembled a tape that combined all the death-sequences into one continuous scene, quite powerful.
Holy crap I swear to God, that as I am typing this post this I am hearing RIGHT NOW over NPR on the radio a story about about Ken Kesey (see here for prnt and audio of this story http://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/146210681/keseys-cuckoos-nest-still-flying-at-50), his participation in experiments with peyote, mentioning Louise Fletcher in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and who is the one in Brainstorm whose death experience is documented on the tape.... SHIVERS DOWN MY SPINE! SYNCHRONICITY TO THE MAX!!! (Maybe this is a sign tonight is a good night to trip, haha!)
from the lengthy page about the film in French with many other images (use google or other translate to read) at http://devildead.com/indexfilm.php3?FilmID=1787
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Thank you Jesusgreen for mentioning that DMT produced by the pineal gland was ONLY A HYPOTHESIS that was not proved by Dr. Straussmen's studies. If more people would actually READ the whole book maybe less misinformation would float around. I come across SO many people who spread this misinformation to people, especially when trying to justify/explain their drug use to another person. With so much knowledge out there and so much more out of our reach it's funny to see people grasping on to anything that verifies one's experience(s). I dig your posts 
For EWO
Your theories are interesting but they still pave the way for even more questions...like the question of origin...
Be careful of how much you "believe" and keep a healthy level of skeptisicm when integrating your psychedelic experiences into your every day life. The human brain is a powerful thing...the more you think about things the more they manifest themselves into your life-whether or not they are "true" is another question all together.
Because I can't necessarily assertain Truth (yes, with a T not a t) I tend to have more of a pragmatic view on truth(however I will continue my search for Truth) that way I don't find myself stuck in some worldview that shatters ten, fifteen or however many years down the line and end up picking up pieces of myself ( I like to save that activity for post-L sessions)
oh and I really like the Hicks reference...that man was amazing!
Other than that....happy trails
For EWO
Your theories are interesting but they still pave the way for even more questions...like the question of origin...
Be careful of how much you "believe" and keep a healthy level of skeptisicm when integrating your psychedelic experiences into your every day life. The human brain is a powerful thing...the more you think about things the more they manifest themselves into your life-whether or not they are "true" is another question all together.
Because I can't necessarily assertain Truth (yes, with a T not a t) I tend to have more of a pragmatic view on truth(however I will continue my search for Truth) that way I don't find myself stuck in some worldview that shatters ten, fifteen or however many years down the line and end up picking up pieces of myself ( I like to save that activity for post-L sessions)
oh and I really like the Hicks reference...that man was amazing!
Other than that....happy trails
DwayneHoover
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Wow, some interesting delusions on display in this thread. And by interesting, I mean cliché. That is all
Well, this has certainly become more wild & wolly than I had hoped but it's nevertheless alot of fun. It would stll be interesting to discuss the actual quote and followup questions I posted in starting it, as Termino and a few others tried to do. (and screw your derisive "cliche delusions" comment and raspberry). Perhaps the quote in post #1 is indeed the result of "delusions" but this one in particular is not just a cliche... such "messages" can indeed be found going back thousands of thousands of years, all different drugs or none at all, all different cultures, etc.
WHY, yagecero, WHY such a seemingly universal delusion? Riddle me this, Sherlock!
Tranced
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Shame it's supposed to be (is) an enigma.
I completely believe the idea that we come from the infinite everything. That eternity is this mass of infinite potential energy, which allows anything to happen, directed by our very own wills. We forget on purpose so that we can remember. Little clues are hidden everywhere, like in common words; universe, a-men, everyone.
They are in music too. I think that literally almost every track I listen to is about letting go/finding utopia and/or everything being one. I've been listening to old prog house albums all day and prog house was by no means a spiritually inclined scene. Yet every track I've listened to for the past 12 hours or so has been about these exact topics, and I can always tell they will be. It's a very strong feeling inside of myself. I had one when I was reading this thread before I started writing this post, and as it hit the breakdown I just knew it would have a message concerning the thread. It said "I can see you. I can hear you. So just let me reach out and touch you. So we can become... one".
A couple of years ago I was sitting comfortably on the fence/sceptical, and now I am definitely, definitely not. It's hard to explain and near impossible to convince anyone to who it hasn't happened yet, because we all realise at different pre-determined stages, which we're determined by ourselves.
I do find it interesting how arguably the most common spiritual message, is also the most commonly known of psychotic episode. That you are 'the one'. Synchronism is absolutely everyone, it's just a question of interpretation. The American Dollar bill (as mentioned on page 1), for example. If you ask me that signifies nothing more than the holy trinity and the all seeing I.
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yagecero
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You could have easily said that a cliché is only a cliché because over the course of human experience the concept has been used and reused to the point of losing it's significance. Which I think this thread proves quite well.
My response was tongue in cheek, so there was no offence meant - the mystical experience in itself is an interesting case in point, but when numerous people start talking as if they are 100% privy to a universal truth yet present their version of it with conflicting ideas the entire process becomes rather ironic. Don't you think?
There are some decent posts in this thread, but there are also some outlandish ones that remind me of numerous conversations I've had with people that have been hitting it a little too hard. The amusing thing is that the ideas they present are so obviously gleaned from either Leary, McKenna, or even worse, new age "philosophy", yet they think they're in possession of supernatural powers.
I'm sorry, it just seems really funny to me.
DwayneHoover
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^ No sweat, figured as much, just checking!
Mr. Tambourine Man
Bluelighter
I'd be inclined to agree. Everyone feels the instinctive need to attach labels to things for which their are no words, but when you borrow labels from somewhere else, it tends to come out like a strange metaphysical-medley.
I've had a number of incredibly deep experiences, one of which eventually led me to Istanbul where I took a trip i which I joined what I called the "Hive-Mind". It was a sense of knowing that in the future, humanity would share a unified consciousness, which had manifested before as religions and was closer to being realized with the creation of the internet. I've never been able to let this idea go, but I have also had psychedelic experiences which were equally breathtaking, but proposed a different metaphysical cosmology. Since then, I've decided to adopt the ideas which I feel resonate best with my personal beliefs, while at the same time making allowances for my perspective to be completely altered (again) by another experience.
Also, @ eyes_wide_open: Since you mentioned MXE, I'd like to mention that both MXE and DXM gave me the distinct impression that we were approaching an "event" of monumental significance. In my mind it was something of a cataclysm, but not necessarily a disaster (more of permanent alteration of how humanity viewed the world that might or might not have something to do with a natural or social phenomenon). The "event" idea has been a recurring theme in the aftermath of nearly every one of my dissociative experiences, just as psychedelics create the recurring theme of a unified consciousness).
^ yeah i agree yagecero. makes for some very good reading though.
fascinating how people who have been so blessed with glorious insight (this is not directed at you, dwayne) can be so defensive about it. questioning and collaboration is good, right??
i had a conversation about the strassman sleep/death/birth theory with some...luminaries on another thread the other day, and i'm really glad to see i'm not the only one frustrated by the thoughtless repetition of the theory as truth. so fucking annoying!
great thread though, thanks dwayne.
fascinating how people who have been so blessed with glorious insight (this is not directed at you, dwayne) can be so defensive about it. questioning and collaboration is good, right??
i had a conversation about the strassman sleep/death/birth theory with some...luminaries on another thread the other day, and i'm really glad to see i'm not the only one frustrated by the thoughtless repetition of the theory as truth. so fucking annoying!
great thread though, thanks dwayne.
Once I had what I thought, at the time, were Ecstasy tablets, but they were trippy and felt mentally psychedelic.
On them, I felt like a message reached me which said "There are an infinite number of dimensions, the ultimate dimension is the imagination"
On them, I felt like a message reached me which said "There are an infinite number of dimensions, the ultimate dimension is the imagination"
cosmic._.ape
Bluelighter
beautiful!
cosmic._.ape
Bluelighter
Your theories are interesting but they still pave the way for even more questions...like the question of origin...
if you believe in an origin
then you believe in nothing becoming everything
which is a logical impossibility
i believe we are eternal
and therefore uncreated
which is logically possible
...or as Tranced beautifully expressed here:
(nothing new i know pagans and scientists knew and know it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE9dEAx5Sgw
cosmic._.ape
Bluelighter
agreed
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cosmic._.ape
Bluelighter
we are all the humble source, not some big-headed force sitting amongst the clouds reigning his sweet dictation upon the masses, but one light in union constantly shifting and shaping a unique world through dream and imagination.
It's the one state that can be accessed through NDEs, OBEs, trips, meditation, traumatic events etc - and all leads to the exact same thing, the "source" or oneness.
What am I saying? You've been there, you are there, you just don't quite remember
so true Jesusgreen i dig it
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