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The Mephedrone Thread (4-mmc)

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Verybuffed said:
You may be talking about Methylone and Mephedrone as they are two of the more common research chemicals being sold in the uk
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Yep... my bad. It was the main two being sold. I did a quick google search but must have found the wrong one. Cheers for that. :)
 
taita said:
HA nice to see you back... :) It wasnt me doing the caps.. it was tj-e who copied it off you and i couldnt be assed going over it :) I just stole it from the archive..
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Nice to be back :)

I've seen it copied/pasted a few times... figured it happened somewhere along the way.... hopefully it has helped a few people along the way to save their future lives from this asinine drug war. :)
 
One more thing... I see a few questions about psychosis....

I have had a lot of drugs in my time... I guarantee that many of the ones that I have had haven't been heard of by many people here.... we used to seek good research chemicals out.

Now... psychosis....

These drugs (from the couple that I had) feel just like various combinations of coke, pills and speed.

There are always people that get psychosis. Some people shouldn't have drugs... that's a fact. But if you don't get psychosis from a combination of the 3 drugs above I can't see why you would with this stuff. It just isn't mindbending gear.

Let me put it this way... if I were to have the stuff again, I'd be far more worried about health risks than going loopy if you've tripped before... from my experiences, that is mentally far more intense.
 
jakoz said:
One more thing... I see a few questions about psychosis....

I have had a lot of drugs in my time... I guarantee that many of the ones that I have had haven't been heard of by many people here.... we used to seek good research chemicals out.

Now... psychosis....

These drugs (from the couple that I had) feel just like various combinations of coke, pills and speed.

There are always people that get psychosis. Some people shouldn't have drugs... that's a fact. But if you don't get psychosis from a combination of the 3 drugs above I can't see why you would with this stuff. It just isn't mindbending gear.

Let me put it this way... if I were to have the stuff again, I'd be far more worried about health risks than going loopy if you've tripped before... from my experiences, that is mentally far more intense.
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I agree with you saying to be more concerned about the health risks rather the the loopy affects. I'd say most people on BL would agree. But even though 4-mmc might feel like a combo of coke, pills and speed, what it's doing to your body is quite different. I see no reason that because those three together didn't make you go loops that 4-mmc would. As unlikely as it is the risks are still real.
A friend of friend mine had just over half a gram of 4-mmc just yesterday and he ended up in hospital and ain't doing too well.

Also keep in mind just because doing a substance once doesn't make you go loopy, doesn't rule out the possibilty of it happening another time. One of my mates ex gf's had had plenty LSD over the years, then one time she did and she's been in the loony bin ever since =(

Party Safe =)
 
thestudent14 said:
A friend of friend mine had just over half a gram of 4-mmc just yesterday and he ended up in hospital and ain't doing too well.
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Bad news about your friend. Are you sure it was 4-MMC? While it is still a lot, 500mg is not that huge a dose of 4-MMC. There were people on here taking over a gram at a time. I am not advocating that anyone should dose anywhere near that much though.

What sort of symptoms did your friend display? What did the hospital do for him? How much experience had he had with 4-MMC? Most importantly what else had he consumed?
 
drazzilB said:
Sorry if this has already been covered, i've read a few pages but long thread...

Does anyone really know anything about the health risks yet.. I remember reading somewhere that it could be quite bad for the heart??

Also is there much to all the paper articles or is it just bullshit... what are the risks of developing psychosis...the scrotum story seemed like a bit much ...
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I have some very sick friends who have lost stones in weight and one not so good daughter, its bad shit, why? because really young kids can get it and its cheap, your average 16 year old wouldnt be able to get the cash to buy a gramm of chat, but can afford the £xx for a bag of this poison, who knows what this will do to our childrens bodys , young people who are still growing, fertility, mental issues, What are the long term effects, no one will know until its too late . :(. a very worried mum.

Edit - Sykik: Sorry but price discussion is against the rules, best to say like 1/10th the price of something else.
 
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I'm sorry to hear your daughter is having trouble with this chemical.

I agree that the availability is an issue, I don't think people should be able to order bags of mephedrone off the internet any more than they should be able to order $10 bottles of vodka off the internet.

Ideally, these sustances would be controlled and regulated, those who have trouble would be provided with the help they need to manage their substance abuse, and widespread education campaigns would help young people understand the dangers of drug abuse and how addiction and habituation can be avoided.
 
Verybuffed said:
Bad news about your friend. Are you sure it was 4-MMC? While it is still a lot, 500mg is not that huge a dose of 4-MMC. There were people on here taking over a gram at a time. I am not advocating that anyone should dose anywhere near that much though.

What sort of symptoms did your friend display? What did the hospital do for him? How much experience had he had with 4-MMC? Most importantly what else had he consumed?
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As I said it was a friend of a friend of mine. I too was pretty sceptical because I've had no such affects from that much 4-mmc and have also heard about people having more then that and being fine. But yeh last I heard he was in hospital feeling really sick, had an irregular heart beat and was feeling very faint. Not sure if it had been taken with anything else plan on finding out all the details in the next day or two and will update!

@tamjam
Real sorry to hear your daughter is getting involved with this stuff. And I agree the biggest problem with it in the UK is the availability. Even as a Research Chemical you would think that you would still have to be 18+ to get it.

Best advice I can give is to educate your daughter, but not with propaganda about it killing people. Just be honest with her, let her know that very little is known about it, and that it is banned in alot of places in the world for a reason.

Party safe all... =(
 
tamjam said:
I have some very sick friends who have lost stones in weight and one not so good daughter, its bad shit, why? because really young kids can get it and its cheap, your average 16 year old wouldnt be able to get the cash to buy a gramm of chat, but can afford the £10 for a bag of this poison, who knows what this will do to our childrens bodys , young people who are still growing, fertility, mental issues, What are the long term effects, no one will know until its too late . :(. a very worried mum.
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Please give their symptoms so others know what to look for, you could help save lives.
 
"Part of the stimulant's appeal is its relative cheapness, with online advertisements for various forms of mephedrone offering the drug from $170 for 10mg."

I know no price discussion but I think only one thing needs to be said here, LOL!
 
thestudent14 said:
As I said it was a friend of a friend of mine. I too was pretty sceptical because I've had no such affects from that much 4-mmc and have also heard about people having more then that and being fine. But yeh last I heard he was in hospital feeling really sick, had an irregular heart beat and was feeling very faint. Not sure if it had been taken with anything else plan on finding out all the details in the next day or two and will update!
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That's also what I saw in our group in the UK. Irregular heartbeats, feeling faint, the feeling of dropping, flu/fever like symptoms, etc.

Also, using it for successive days seemed to make it exponentially worse.

I'm not going to go on this site and say "don't take it", but I have tried *many* drugs before, and I honsetly think that we're going to see a lot of bad health effects from this one... it just doesn't 'feel' very healthy afterwards (I know that's subjective, but like I say, I've tried a lot of different things over the years). Most of the negative effects that I saw seemed to be cardiovascular/circulation related.

This stuff is also very moreish. I can see people having big doses on large benders, and I can see it ending in tears.

Stay safe :)
 
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^^ +1 thanks Jakoz
yeah my friends, friend, pretty much felt all those things. Out of hospital now and feeling OK. But he/she hadn't had any other drugs just the 4-mmc. But as Jakoz said "using in seccessive days seemed to make it exponentially worse. This is what they had done. Not sure of the exact amounts, but I think it was about 2g's across 4 days. half a g each day.

Party safe all.
 
MrIbis said:
One time, for what i was taken to court about recently, i was in such a bad state in the interview room, i requested all my rights.. was thrown in a holding cell, beaten, then told to waive my rights in interview if i wanted to leave the station.

Just a word of warning if you come across some real dog cops... stand your ground - get legal counsel.

Also, the prosecution cases in regards to people having been arrested in possession of drugs they have imported - you're going to be fucked. This is why i urge all who HAVE NOT RECEIVED to shut their traps - in these instances there is no evidence, except the possibilty you may or may not have ATTEMPTED to import the drug. This here is your best defensive line. If you're caught, and you admit to having tried to import it, you're just as fucked as if you got done with it in your hands.

Possession is 9/10 of the law.
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Agreed. If it gets picked up.... forfeit it.

Going back through this thread, I'm seeing some mention of cops. If you get picked up, NEVER help them. You're only going to fuck up yourself or your friends. I have friends that got picked up, talked and ended up getting nailed for dealing with a couple of pills.

Deny everything, but not in enough detail to give them ammo against you. Keep your story straight. Don't give them your friend's details and keep your SMS history clean. Get a lawyer if they nail you. It's the difference between a possession and a dealing charge.
 
Channel ten news is reporting that 2 19yr old guys died using 4mmc in the uk. Anyone else heard more reliable less sensational reporting?
 
There have been reports of fatalities with this drug, whether or not that particular story is true or not, you could die if you use too much (grams apon grams) of this drug.

Research!
 
I have heard of other deaths, linked to possible other reasons. These are apparently directly linked to 4mmc. Interested to know actual cause of death and dosages taken. I personally stopped about a month ago because of the unknown toxicity.
That said I never used more than 400mg in session and never felt out of control. At that level it did feel pretty safe.
 
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