The Mephedrone Thread (4-mmc)

[Lysergiphile]

Has anyone else found cannabis after coming off a large amount of 4mmc is extremely visual?
I get strong visuals from smoking alone so it seems necessary to ask.

 

[phase_dancer]

As it appears many posters aren't aware of the dangers associated with this drug, or instead choose to ignore the warning from those with credibility, I would suggest you all look at the following thread.

Mephedrone metabolism.

looks like my earlier prediction of the paramethyl ephedrine metabolite is correct, although it also makes paramethyl norephedrine by N-demethylation.

from what I am hearing mephedrone users should expect more bad news over the following months.

please use this stuff in strict moderation if you must use it, if you can't moderate your consumption don't take it at all. It is not looking good at the moment.
vecktor

Mephedrone Science

 

[Ero90]

How the hell people manage to snort this drug amazes me, it is the worst drug to snort by far in my opinion, has the most horrible taste and burning sensation ever :S Maybe i'm just a bit of a pussy when it comes to snorting, i can't seem to handle the taste of ketamine although i actually like MDPV.

Has anyone had experience with taking Mephedrone orally (bombing it in a rizla), how effective is it compared to snorting? I've just done my first line out of a gram and i'm not particularly looking forward to the next one

 

[Lysergiphile]

Generally I find once it hits you, the taste and dripdown become extremely enjoyable. Bombing it works great, prolonged effects but reduced intensity, I'd suggest 150mg to 200mg in a tissue paper. Maybe just 100mg if you already had a line.

200mg seems to be a fairly common oral dose, supposedly also the dosage of the electric eel caps sold online earlier this year.

 

[Pie]

I've slowly been ramping up my meph usage over the past 3ish months and seeing how it goes and I have to say that I've never been as completely messed up as I was off 2 caps on Friday night. I was fairly drunk beforehand then had 2 within probably 30 min of each other and I was well fucked for a good couple of hours, massive surgey peak, couldn't speak, completely floored me, haha.

Had a couple more the next day around noon after a few hours sleep and a bottle of spirits to similar effect, probably minus a bit of euphoria from the original caps which was to be expected but still crazy munted...

Whether or not they were a purer batch or something I'm not sure - they were filled to about the top of the longer half of the cap, no idea on exact dosage tho.

edit - Also ^^^ In regards to railing it, I agree, if I'm feeling sufficiently up to the task of pumping the stuff up my nose I find it bloody good fun and the drip is almost welcome, however if I'm feeling a bit off or whatever then it make's me dry retch and hurts like a bitch and I'd rather just bomb it.

 

[Sykik]

As it appears many posters aren't aware of the dangers associated with this drug, or instead choose to ignore the warning from those with credibility, I would suggest you all look at the following thread.

Mephedrone metabolism.

looks like my earlier prediction of the paramethyl ephedrine metabolite is correct, although it also makes paramethyl norephedrine by N-demethylation.

from what I am hearing mephedrone users should expect more bad news over the following months.

please use this stuff in strict moderation if you must use it, if you can't moderate your consumption don't take it at all. It is not looking good at the moment.
vecktor

Mephedrone Science

I really can't believe that the three posters above me ignored your post P_D. Dear MOD, I know there is a lot of information in this thread, however I feel all the good HR stuff was in the first couple of pages. I think this thread should be only kept open for discussion of new questions/experiences. Not sure what to do about this thread now. I think maybe a closed Mephedrone FAQ, with a summary of the dangers of the metabolite, which people are ignoring should be highlighted. Of course discussion should continue, but only with people's advice on how to avoid redosing, if you need to take this drug. Opinions?

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Has anyone had experience with taking Mephedrone orally (bombing it in a rizla), how effective is it compared to snorting? I've just done my first line out of a gram and i'm not particularly looking forward to the next one

Welcome to BL Ero90, this question has been answered in full, just click back and look in the first couple of pages of this thread. This question is a prime example of why a FAQ would be a better resource for the community. Simple answer, ctrl + V the html to the FAQ.

 

[Crankinit]

I thought the issues with mephedrone (particularly the cardiovascular toxicity of the metabolites) were fairly widely known at this stage.

It's definately a 'once a month, half a gram' kind of drug. Nothing that feels that similar to MDMA could possibly be healthy for you.

I'm curious about the neurotoxicity. It seems unlikely that there is none, given that the neurotoxicity of (meth)cathinone has been confirmed and the similarity in subjective effects to MDMA/methamp, but most anecdotal accounts from heavy users don't report much in the way of it. Only explanation I can think of is that it's milder than MDMA and isn't really coming into play because people are encountering cardiovascular issues much earlier.

 

[tyrael]

I don't think the question should be does 4MMC have cardiovascular issue/neurotoxicity, but at what dosage does these problem begin. Even without evidenance, usage of (a new substance like) mephedrone should be tentative/sparingly. Alas, not everyone is as sensible.

Good idea though Sykik. Is there a FAQ for mephedrone? (I'm on my phone ATM so can't check easily). If not, someone put their hand up there Sykik?

 

[lil angel15]

A 4-mmc FAQ is currently being put together and will hopefully be finished soon.

In the meantime a thread of interest may be:

How toxic is Mephedrone?

 

[static_mind]

It's because your average drug user and BLer don't have a firm grasp of chemistry and pharmacology. The advanced threads are full of mumbo jumbo that doesn't mean anything to them. Try talking to everyone about advanced mathermatic and it will end up the same.

The masses need it dumbed down for them and said in a simple short summary.

 

[lil angel15]

Meph is cardiotoxic!

Cardiotoxicity is bad!!!!

 

[static_mind]

lol

So is Cocaine and a lot of people don't have heart problems from that.

(im not trying to be pro-meph)

 

[Sustanon]

Coke has been used for hundreds of years if not more. Meph on the other hand who knows what it can do to u later on. Glad i tried it but wouldnt wanna touch the stuff again.

 

[static_mind]

That's not the point im trying to make. Drugs always have danger's about them and we still consume them. Since we have been young we are told how pretty much every single illigal drug out there will kill us, "burn holes in our brain" and what not. Most drug users now distrust the negitive infomation put forward against what we like. The government has cried wolf far too many times and now people have reached the level where the wolf has lost all meaning. Only seeing is believing.

Until the willful human Guinna pigs start showing all sorts of horrid side effects and the death toll increases, then the cardiotoxic effects will be dismissed amongst the population. Lots of common drugs kill. We all love or MDMA and people die from it, everyone takes paracetamol despite its hepa-toxicity (liver) and probably 99% of people who have tried meph have probably noticed no damage.

Its going to be really really hard to convince the people who through experence have had a good time and seen no negitives that they are doing damage. The government has been trying for decades to do that and failed.

My point has kinda evolved a bit over my last few points

 

[Crankinit]

I don't think the toxicity is the issue, so much as the perception in some circles that because it's an RC, it's somehow safer than street drugs. Lots of drugs are toxic, as much as any of them, I think meph can be used safely and moderately. But if you're a dickhead and binge every weekend, expect consequances, just like coke or meth or MDMA or K or booze etc etc etc

 

[tyrael]

perception in some circles that because it's an RC, it's somehow safer than street drugs.

Wow really? When speaking with people about this ( or any RC ) I stress because it's an RC to be more careful. That's scary.

Regardless of whether negative side effects have been proven (to any degree) caution should be followed. Like you said static, any drug can cause negative side effects.

 

[Sykik]

That's not the point im trying to make. Drugs always have danger's about them and we still consume them. Since we have been young we are told how pretty much every single illigal drug out there will kill us, "burn holes in our brain" and what not. Most drug users now distrust the negitive infomation put forward against what we like. The government has cried wolf far too many times and now people have reached the level where the wolf has lost all meaning. Only seeing is believing.

Until the willful human Guinna pigs start showing all sorts of horrid side effects and the death toll increases, then the cardiotoxic effects will be dismissed amongst the population. Lots of common drugs kill. We all love or MDMA and people die from it, everyone takes paracetamol despite its hepa-toxicity (liver) and probably 99% of people who have tried meph have probably noticed no damage.

Its going to be really really hard to convince the people who through experence have had a good time and seen no negitives that they are doing damage. The government has been trying for decades to do that and failed.

My point has kinda evolved a bit over my last few points

Nice post. I myself might be considered anti-4mmc, just because of it's short high, and morish come down. This doesn't work with me, as i'm a chase the high kind of guy. I think it is these dangers, the short high, the morish effect that combined with the (relitively unknown) cardiotoxic effects (of the non-euphoric metabolite, with a longer halflife) makes it dangerous. One might say cocaine is the same, however two things make cocaine more safe, it has been studied and it's fricken expensive.

Take Australia for example 4mmc is about 1/3 the price of cocaine for the average user, ok so you might need more 4mmc to get high, however it is being used to replace such things as MDMA in street pills. The average stree joe looking to get high won't know the difference.

It is the fact that people are not edjucated that makes it more dangerous. I'm trying to teach people, not fear munger. However if the facts look grim, I guess the two go hand in hand.

edit:

It seems that this drug can be used safely in moderation as long as you don't too much. If your taking around 500mg max in a session, and these sessions are well spaced out. It seems you should be OK.

 

[Sustanon]

I tend to agree with most of the above posts but u dont get purple knees and vascular problems after using small amounts of illegal drugs like MDMA or other things. Not saying most people get bad physical side effects but it can happen so its better to use it in moderation and not that often.

 

[medicateme]

The first dosage was 200mg in a gel cap which took a bit too long to kick in (45min+).

My friend finds it to come on quicker if you mix it with water and slam it. that way you dont have to wait for the cap to be dissolved. try it next time and let me know what you think. this also works a lot better on an empty stomach. if you took a cap on an empty stomach it would probably take longer to dissolve (why some meds say to eat when you take them)

 

[Crankinit]

Wow really? When speaking with people about this ( or any RC ) I stress because it's an RC to be more careful. That's scary.

I'm the same, but a lot of people utilize the faulty logic of 'it's not as illegal as ecstasy or cocaine, so it's not as dangerous.' Or the idea that if the source is slightly more legitimate then it's less likely to be contaminated, and the fact that they haven't had the negatives drilled into them by the media/prohibition as they have with other illegal drugs.

Regardless of whether negative side effects have been proven (to any degree) caution should be followed. Like you said static, any drug can cause negative side effects.

I agree, but it's beside the point because I'd say the negative side effects are fairly undeniable at this stage.