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The Mega-Merged Buprenorphine Thread!

The only reasons he gave me for wanting cash for the subutex is that i'm "a young guy" and he doesn't want to be liable if I pop a bunch to get high and overdose or something. So doing cash transactions would mean there were no paper trail leading back to him if I bit the dust from a subutex OD, that is my assumption. He also said the insurance companys don't pay him enough for the liability so I guess he'd prob be charging me an arm and a leg for the medication if I were to go through him.
 
go here http://buprenorphine.samhsa.gov/bwns_locator/dr_facilitylocatordoc.htm
and find a doc in your state/city. there are only certain docs that can perscribe this shit cause the FDA only recently approved the drug. this doc sounds like a real shady mc.shaderson anyways. you need to find a doc on that list that specializes in pain management, well atleast a doctor that i called on that list was a pain managment specialist...
 
Clonazaman said:
Firstly you have a MORE than adequate habit to warrant SubX treatement. He's full of shit.
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drinking poppy seed tea for two months and going on an oxycontin binge does not warrant sub, in my opinion. I wouldn't think I am full of shit, when it comes to opiates I have a substantial amount of experiences and knowledge. sub is not for binges, it is for prolonged opiate abuse that is usually more serious than poppy seed tea.

bupernorphine is abusable, however I just don't see this as being the main factor as why your doc wouldn't prescribe it to you because its abuse potential is lower in comparison with that of opiod full agonists.

your mom's full of shit. =D
 
^sub is usually reserved for addicts who have long term opiod abuse (hydrocodone, oxycontin, morphine) or opiates such as heroin. I have NEVER heard it prescribed to people for a poppy tea habit.
 
In the UK opiate maintainance therapy (usually methadone, but some places are starting with buprenorphine) is only used for people with habit who have tried to stop and relapsed. If someone who'd been using for a couple of months came in, they'd just look at him as if he was trying to get an easy source of drugs to abuse (as opposed to keeping them off heroin). They'd most probably offer you a short course of diazepam and clonidine to get over the withdrawls
 
I got on straight Bup injections -at my request to my doc -after hurting my neck in a car ax. I rehabed for Vikes a year previous and knew I would be on something long term because they didntwant to do surgery yet. I can tell you that I have gotten adequately fuckered up just on a two amp (.648mg) dose of Bup even after being on it two years and having a opi tolerance strong enought to handle 100mcg Fentayl patches. Even though ther is a antagonist ceiling somewhere in Bup Inj don't be fooled - I would kill myself on it before I hit the ceiling - and you get a helluva high on large doses and also upon dosing after an extended period between doses.

Other people have told me about frustrations when approaching docs to get them on this because the Bup Inj is not widely used and when they open up their pocket drug PDR they freak and react as if it were Heroin and practically boot them out of the office. My hunch is, without the Docs info in front of me - something in that book is wrong or a better way to put it - exaggerated.

Sure, Bup islike Heroin if you take 10 fucking amps! Duh!

Bup is the best thing that I could have ever did. It also has mood elevating properties (Studies done and available if you google) and after a couple weeks of use your pain is gone,minimal buzz to entice abuse, and the only side effect I have had is slightly worse constipation than most script opiates. No drowsiness,nothing once you become used to it.

But the REALLY cool thing about it - I got off it for a week to have some surgery done. I tapered for 5 days taking 1 amp every 24 hours and then quit cold turkey and only had a runny nose! And I had a bitch of a WD from Vikes so I know it isn't just me.

USed properly, this drug is PHENOMINAL, IMO, for long term and chronic pain. Docs need to be re-informed and get chronic people off these short term opiates that dont last or peak after an hour and make you sweat and puke.

I was lucky and had a great doc who trusted me and we tried it and she is now giving it to other patients that benefit from it.Hope this was helpful.
 
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I think 2 months is a little short in terms of time to warrant treatment, unless you were an out of control heroin addict. I would think you could even sit out the wd with those valium.

I dont think i would go near this doc with a bargepole, he sound like a right wanker.
 
^see, that one guy was hating on me. I can't believe people get high off of bupe. the most I have taken sublingully was one whole pill, but I guess it'd be different if it is IV'd.
 
virisitian: where are you located?? I know (or at least this is what my bupe doc told me) that subutex is RARELY prescribed in the US.....usually its suboxone.....

Look, here's my opinion: if you REALLY and TRULY believe that you will NOT be able to keep your hands off of opiates if you were to quit cold turkey, and you are REALLY and TRULY sick of doing them, then I think a bupe program could prove to be beneficial, as far as keeping away cravings...
I mean I wasn't drinking poppy seed tea, I was injecting heroin.....BUT, in the weeks prior to starting bupe, I had been tapering my dope usage down to almost nothing, so I conceivably could have quit cold turkey, actually, I know I could have, but guess what???? I KNOW for a FACT that at this very moment, if I was not on bupe, I would probably be out hustling to make $$ to get high, or high already, or god knows what else (jail, dead, etc...) so for me, bupe, and it's "keep my mind off of heroin" properties are a Godsend.......

so ya see what I mean?? There's no reason why bupe wouldn't be a step in the right direction, if you feel that you just couldn't stop and stay away from getting high on your own.....granted, you probably won't need as much as I'm on (24mg/day), but I say there no harm in giving it a whirl, ya know??
 
I think your doctor did everything right. First of all, I do not know of any Bupe doctor that accepts insurance for visits. They write out prescriptions and your insurance can pay for that, but for the actual visit itself - I think 99.9% of doctors require payment on-site. It's almost exactly like getting methadone for addiction.

I believe standard price is about $200-$300 for the initial visit and then about half that to 1/4 that for any visit after that. They usually see you about once a month for a drug test and refills. Although you do have an addiction, most doctors would not think it is a big one. If I was a doctor, I probably would not have even given you the option of getting on Bupe, I would have suggested detox for a week and outpatient for a couple months.

However, what he offered to you is pretty standard in the "rehab treatment" world.
 
AxL BLaZe said:
^sub is usually reserved for addicts who have long term opiod abuse (hydrocodone, oxycontin, morphine) or opiates such as heroin. I have NEVER heard it prescribed to people for a poppy tea habit.
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Pod tea is basically morphine tea. It's also got tons of other raw things in there that cause withdrawal many people say is as bad as heroin withdrawal (and lasts just as long, 7-10 days of pure hell). I wouldn't say pod tea habits are any less serious than oxycontin or, like you metioned long-term hydrocodone, oxycontin, or morphine, pod tea IS morphine in case you weren't aware.
Just thought I'd add that in case you don't know.
 
Pod tea is no joke, the withdrawls can be very serious. Just go browse around poppies.org for a while.....

Two months isn't enough time to really develop any kind of tolerance though......
 
chokingvictim said:
Pod tea is basically morphine tea. It's also got tons of other raw things in there that cause withdrawal many people say is as bad as heroin withdrawal (and lasts just as long, 7-10 days of pure hell). I wouldn't say pod tea habits are any less serious than oxycontin or, like you metioned long-term hydrocodone, oxycontin, or morphine, pod tea IS morphine in case you weren't aware.
Just thought I'd add that in case you don't know.
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apparently this is so from the info on this thread. I guess I personally don't buy it. two months of addiction to any opiate/opiod usually won't warrant sube unless it was some crazy habit. well guess what, the doctor apparently didn't buy it either, so... :\
 
amnesiaseizure said:
You should have been advised to stop all intake of methadone at least 24hours from the first dose of bupe but I would strongly advise you go at least 48.
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they did tell me this

i was going to start today, but the pharmacy was out of the medication. So i'm waiting until monday. My final methadone dose just went down my throat - 60mg. i should be fine for an appointment on Monday don't you think? that is 4 days away :)
 
that could be pushing it a little bro i have heard of methadone holding for upwards of 48 hours even close to 72 you will def be ready for your first bupe dose to late now but i would have split that dose of methadone
 
methadone has a very strong halflife. that's why you hear of people taking them one day and not w/ding and feeling they "need" another one until like two or three days after. so be extra careful with that 48 hour grace period.

you did get a high dose of bupe, which is strange cuz doctors prescribing bupe to methadone addicts are rare but are slowly gaining in numbers.
 
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