The Mega-Merged Buprenorphine Thread!

[Needlefest]

He said "poppy seed tea" in the first post, which is WAY WAY WAY different than poppy pod tea. Poppy pod tea > you. And I agree, stay away from bup. it's way too strong to mess with for such a short addiction, and for poppy SEED addictions. -peace

 

[chokingvictim]

^^ While there obviously is some difference between seed and pod tea, they're both basically morphine tea. So a lot of seeds will equal the morphine in a few pods. So really, there isn't that much difference, both are teas containing morphine.
Two months of drinking the stuff daily (if its been a decent-sized dose) is going to suck to get off of. It might take 5 days of horrible flu-like symptoms rather than 7-10 days, but that depends on the doses you've been taking.

 

[RiseFromRuin]

Yeah, but there has been vigorous debate on here whether or not SEED tea even gets you off at all, with respected members of this board saying that it is impossible. I can't chime in because i've never used seed or pod tea, i'm just pointing this out...

Secondly, the original poster did not even detail ANY of his withdrawl symptoms:

"Anyways, all he gave me was 12 valiums cause and I quit for like 3 days and then caved in and started using again."

Within these three days, what the fuck happened? It seems to me by the flippant way you mentioned this, that these three days were uncomfortable, but not HORRENDOUS-which would seemingly be customary to delve into the world of bupe. And after you caved in..did you go back to the oxy, the tea, or both?

I say give it a go with the cold turkey again....yeah it sucks but man, but bupe sounds like some serious shit. At least give up the tea and see what happens physically...maybe you are actively seeking an expensive bupe maintenance program because of your reliance on a placebo effect (not stating, just conjecture!).

 

[twgburst]

Bupe is a fucking rip off. You will spend several thousand dollars to detox with bupe, unless you have tried and failed detoxing cold turkey, don't fuck with methadone nor bupe detox. That is for people that have hardcore habbits and can't quit. The withdrawl from a few weeks of opiate use is nothing compared to the mindfuck you will experience from extended methadone use. Bupe isn't anywhere near as bad, but most people quit opiates cause they can't afford them and if you can't afford opiates, you sure as fuck can't afford bupe detox nor matainence treatment.

"First off, bupenorphine is a very potent opiate! More potent then morphine, up there with heroin"

No it isn't and the two are totally different substances. Bupe is almost as potent as fentanyl. .3mgs bupe=10mgs of morphine
3mgs of heroin=10 mgs of morphine. Bupe is 10x more potent than pure heroin.

"Secondly, your addiction doesn't require you to go into the ghetto, and put yourself in harms way. It is practically legal what you are doing! A big part of being on bup and methadone is that they take you away from the streets, where you would otherwise be arrested, mugged, killed, etc. "

Most people I know on methadone still use heroin, this is true for some but not all. Most of the people I know on methadone also live around people that sell heroin and just need to yell out their door to cop. The point of methadone and bupe is to get clean, or at least lessen use, period. Also, buying poppy pods online is still illegal and people have been arrested for it.

 

[xxanxx]

^Not sure what country you live in, but here in the US buying pods is not illegal, as long as they are for decorative purposes.

 

[junksick]

He's not even using poppy pod tea, he's using poppy seed tea. Granted it can get you pretty high, it still isn't that big of a deal, i've binged on it for months and the withdrawal was very very light--only lasted a few days. Anyways I agree this doctor sounds shady... why do you need bup, even with the oxycontins thrown in a couple of days of straight cold turkey withdrawal shouldn't be THAT bad. Have some codeine and/or weaker opiates if you can't do it cold.

 

[twgburst]

"Well it saved my life, so I disagree! Expensive yes...but not a rip off."

You won't know that until your dead cause life isn't over until you cease to live it. I thought I was going clean for good more times then I can count.

Not being able to afford opiates is only one reason why people quit, but not the only reason. There are dozens of reasons opiate addicts quit using. But obviously if they cant afford herion, they cant afford bupenorphine.

Its the main reason why people quit. Most heroin users cannot afford their habit. Thats why so many people on MMT can stay on it for years, still getting high by seesawing their tolerance, chipping on the side.

Whats your point? So what if some of your friends dont use methadone for the intended purpose of staying clean? I have been on bupenorphine for 13 months, and havn't touched any other opiate once! For me it is a godsend. But from the way it sounds, you're not talking from experience, just from what you've seen through your friends.

I've been to 3 different methadone clinics, in 2 different states, I know people that have gone to almost every clinic in this state as well a few in New York. They all pretty much have the same thing to say. Most people don't get take homes for a reason, and it isn't cause they just started methadone. I used heroin on top of methadone as well, until I started taking xanax. Bupe is a different story, I have taken it before, but only over a week period. I don't have to talk to anyone to know if they are using, if they are there on Sat they are giving dirty urines. Almost everyone from all my clinics was there on Sat.

I don't really wanna start a pissing fight, but it gets me mad when people argue with shit they don't know about, when I goto all the trouble to research it. Not because I care, but I hate false information floating around especially on bluelight where if someone doesn't correct it someone might die by using the misinformation.

Wrong! People take doses of bupenorphine in the mgs (generally 6-24mg) Fentanyl is given in microgram doses (less then 1mg). So bupenorphine is LESS potent then fentanyl.

I can eat a 10mg fentanyl patch for a 1 hour buzz. IV fentanyl is in the hundreds of micrograms. You really need to read up on your information. Read up on people eating the patches and that might clear things up a little.
Goto this link and do the math if you don't believe me.
http://www.fda.gov/cder/foi/label/2002/18401slr14lbl.pdf
"Buprenex is a parenteral opioid analgesic with
0.3mg Buprenex being approximately equivalent to 10 mg morphine sulfate"

He said "poppy seed tea" which is not illegal. And buying poppy pods (for arts and crafts) is legal too. So what he is doing is legal or more or less legal.

Wrong, look at the DEA's scheduling. Poppy straw is c-2, also doing any extraction of poppies its illegal because its changing the form of a scheduled drug into another scheduled drug and can fall under manufacture of a controlled substance, or something like that (I forget if thats the exact crime being committed) Its the same if you do a cold water extraction on hydrocodone or codeine.
http://www.dea.gov/pubs/scheduling.html

Schedule II
1-Phenylcyclohexylamine 7460 N precusor of PCP
1-Piperidinocyclohexanecarbonitrile 8603 N PCC, precusor of PCP
Alfentanil 9737 Alfenta
Alphaprodine 9010 Nisentil
Amobarbital 2125 N Amytal, Tuinal
Amphetamine 1100 N Dexedrine, Biphetamine
Anileridine 9020 Leritine
Benzoylecgonine 9180 Cocaine metabolite
Bezitramide 9800 Burgodin
Carfentanil 9743 Wildnil
Coca Leaves 9040
Cocaine 9041 Methyl benzoylecgonine, Crack
Codeine 9050 Morphine methyl ester, methyl morphine
Dextropropoxyphene, bulk (non-dosage forms) 9273 Propoxyphene
Dihydrocodeine 9120 Didrate, Parzone
Diphenoxylate 9170
Diprenorphine 9058 M50-50
Ecgonine 9180 Cocaine precursor, in Coca leaves
Ethylmorphine 9190 Dionin
Etorphine HCl 9059 M 99
Fentanyl 9801 Innovar, Sublimaze, Duragesic
Glutethimide 2550 N Doriden, Dorimide
Hydrocodone 9193 dihydrocodeinone
Hydromorphone 9150 Dilaudid, dihydromorphinone
Isomethadone 9226 Isoamidone
Levo-alphacetylmethadol 9648 LAAM, long acting methadone, levomethadyl acetate
Levomethorphan 9210
Levorphanol 9220 Levo-Dromoran
Meperidine 9230 Demerol, Mepergan, pethidine
Meperidine intermediate-A 9232 Meperidine precursor
Meperidine intermediate-B 9233 Meperidine precursor
Meperidine intermediate-C 9234 Meperidine precursor
Metazocine 9240
Methadone 9250 Dolophine, Methadose, Amidone
Methadone intermediate 9254 Methadone precursor
Methamphetamine 1105 N Desoxyn, D-desoxyephedrine, ICE, Crank, Speed
Methylphenidate 1724 N Ritalin
Metopon 9260
Moramide-intermediate 9802
Morphine 9300 MS Contin, Roxanol, Duramorph, RMS, MSIR
Nabilone 7379 N Cesamet
Opium extracts 9610
Opium fluid extract 9620
Opium poppy 9650 Papaver somniferum
Opium tincture 9630 Laudanum
Opium, granulated 9640 Granulated opium
Opium, powdered 9639 Powdered Opium
Opium, raw 9600 Raw opium, gum opium
Oxycodone 9143 OxyContin, Percocet, Tylox, Roxicodone, Roxicet,
Oxymorphone 9652 Numorphan
Pentobarbital 2270 N Nembutal
Phenazocine 9715 Narphen, Prinadol
Phencyclidine 7471 N PCP, Sernylan
Phenmetrazine 1631 N Preludin
Phenylacetone 8501 N P2P, phenyl-2-propanone, benzyl methyl ketone
Piminodine 9730
Poppy Straw 9650 Opium poppy capsules, poppy heads
Poppy Straw Concentrate 9670 Concentrate of Poppy Straw, CPS


I don't really wanna start a pissing fight, but it gets me mad when people argue with shit they don't know about, when I goto all the trouble to research it. Not because I care, but I hate false information floating around especially on bluelight where if someone doesn't correct it someone might die by using the misinformation.

 

[virusitian]

Alright, I appreciate everyone's opinions here but I think as far as poppy seed habits go I have quite a large one, for the past 2 months or so i've been drinking tea with 2-4 pounds of seeds every other day, and then I went on a 150mg oxycontin binge for 2 weeks. Now the reason I wanted to go on bupe was not only to get rid of withdrawls but also to eliminate the cravings. I honestly think that if I detox successfully I'll be at the grocery store one day and have to pick up some seeds and start the ugly fucking cycle again. So my thoughts were that I would go on bupe for a few months to get my life together, get a full time job, back into school etc. etc. so I have things to fill my time. For those who were asking how bad my withdrawls were, well they are no heroin withdrawls but 24 hours after drinking the tea I've got a runny nose and back pain, 48 hours turbo diahrea shits more intense back pain, 72 hours = shitting like a hose every hour or so, no appetite whatsoever, fairly intense body aches, depression etc. etc., even with a bottle of 2mg klonpins or valium I still can't stomach the withdrawls. But for all of you telling me that bupe is too hardcore for my habit I would say that my poppy tea habit is about equivalent wiht a 100-150mg oxycontin every 24-48 hours. I can say this because after my 2 months of using popppy tea, I went on an oxy binge and thats about how much it took me to get high. My idea behind the bupe is that i'd go on suboxone to kill the cravings and help with withdrawls, I honestly don't think I can stop this shit on my own.

 

[Clonazaman]

drinking poppy seed tea for two months and going on an oxycontin binge does not warrant sub, in my opinion. I wouldn't think I am full of shit, when it comes to opiates I have a substantial amount of experiences and knowledge. sub is not for binges, it is for prolonged opiate abuse that is usually more serious than poppy seed tea.

bupernorphine is abusable, however I just don't see this as being the main factor as why your doc wouldn't prescribe it to you because its abuse potential is lower in comparison with that of opiod full agonists.

your mom's full of shit.

Not you, the doc, I meant the doc is full of shit. I dont' think anyone can know how bad the original poster feels but himself. My Mother has nothing to do with this conversation.

 

[Heineken4u]

okay guys.... isn't TWGburst incorrect still....
a 10mg fentanyl patch... ???? I thought fentanyl is measured in micrograms??? From what i've read on here, the highest dosage patch is like 100 or so micrograms right? So there is no fuckin way twgburst can do a 10mg patch.... that's like ten-10microgram patches...haha.

 

[soundphaRm]

You guys, it IS a 10 mg (total contents of the patch) fentanyl patch. It is desidned to provide approx. 100 mcg/hr, for 72 hours (although, IMO they don't last that long- probably more like 48-60 hrs.).
I'm quite sure that the poster meant that he can do a 10mg fentanyl patch, used as it was intended, not as some may think, the full 10 mg all at once. That would indeed kill you...
Hope this cleared some things up...

 

[xxanxx]

Yeah, 10mg of fentanyl at once would most certainly kill me. It would take one hell of a tolerance to be able to handle that....

Wrong, look at the DEA's scheduling. Poppy straw is c-2, also doing any extraction of poppies its illegal because its changing the form of a scheduled drug into another scheduled drug and can fall under manufacture of a controlled substance, or something like that (I forget if thats the exact crime being committed) Its the same if you do a cold water extraction on hydrocodone or codeine.

I don't think anyone was saying it is legal to extract poppies, but I would like you to show me one instance of someone being prosecuted for simply ordering dried poppies. You can even buy them at some Michael's for god's sake..... Hardly illegal!

 

[twgburst]

I said I can eat an entire 10 mg fentanyl patch in 1 sitting, and have done it several times.(This might kill people with or without a high tolerence, I do not recomend this, I am on methadone). Actiq lollies come in 1.2mgs and have a 50% bioavalibility of total dose using them transmucosally. You can take up to 2 of these at a time and on top of that these are for breakthru pain. Oral use of fentanyl is much weaker than IV use, much like morphine and heroin. Also, if you took the time to read my other post of even goto the DEA's website you would see that papaver somniferum poppies are illegal to posses, buy, sell, or consume. Most poppies in craft stores arean't opium poppies. They are illegal like the RCs were illegal and more so, you might be able to of bought them in the US it still was and is illegal. Also someone got arrested in San Fransisco for selling these "legal" opium poppies on ebay and some guy got arrested for importing opium poppies from another country. It has happened a few times over the years, but is really rare.

 

[chokingvictim]

^^ It just confuses some people I think when you say fentanyl 10mgs (because mgs means milligrams, whereas micrograms would be 10 mcg).

So I think the confusion is stemming from the fact that you mean to say 10 micrograms, but when you type 10mgs, you're using the abbreviation for milligrams, not micrograms.
Blah. whatever. This thread just seems pointless now, someone should close it, I think the original question has been answered well enough and nothing productive is coming out of the thread anymore.

 

[Tongue]

from all of these posts/threads, it seems there really isnt a GOOD answer to the problem of OPIOD ADDICTIOn and relapse..it seems damn near everyone is on BUPRENEX or METHADONE and when they try to taper, they feel like hell, and then sign up at another clinic...i must say, for a hardcore opiod addict, there doesnt seem to a nice future UNLESS u are on some type of bup/methaone maintencance program..

 

[Tongue]

my question, are there any doctors that will prescribve someone 5-7 day script of SUBOXONE or BUP just to help with heroin or methadone detox??this would be very helpful for MANY PEOPLE if its possible, but the docs wouldnt make much cash like that, so i dont think they would do it..anyone know??

 

[ItchySkratchy]

^^^huh good question, I dunno....I know that the program I'm on, you have to stay on for I think 6 months at least....

but yes Suboxone IS a godsend......I have NEVER gone this long w/out any cravings whatsoever in my whole opiate-using careeer.....Great drug IMO......

 

[virusitian]

Good to hear the subutex is working for so many, I'm going in tomorrow to a doc for suboxone. I'm looking forward to these wonderful withdrawl symptoms to fade.

 

[virusitian]

First day on Suboxone

So I took 4mg sublingually about an hour ago and I feel great, I haden't used in like 2 days and was having some bad shits and muscle aches etc. etc. Now I feel normal plus I feel a bit of a high, they have me taking 16mg a day, you guys think that might be too much if I'm getting high from 4mg. I wanna hear people's experiences with this stuff.

 

[Benzorider]

My experience with suboxone was 1 mg in my nostril, i was in lazy-land for 16 hours just lying around feeling great itching myself, then a 4 hour wd followed... but it was nothing compared to the great rush!