Trixster
Bluelighter
naked lunch said:
LOL thats what im addicted to...sour patch kids!!!! i eat like 4 bags a day lol
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LOL thats what im addicted to...sour patch kids!!!! i eat like 4 bags a day lol
blahblahblah
Bluelighter
Yes very consistant, Im pushing shit 2.8 -3 years on it
Partykid12
Bluelighter
What dosage are you up to now blahblahblah?
if anything, the doses lower--at least in my experience...though, after long enough periods of time on subutex/subuxone and then discontinuing, WDs will ensue...I find that after stablizing, I can easily get by with 2-4mg of subuxone per day. Of course, take my experience with a grain of salt, I don't see a prescriber and instead set my own schedule. Beyond that, I have been opiate-free for a few weeks and even turned down a handful of FREE (yes, free) oxycontins and hydrocodones....so, yea. I don't know, but it sure helps.
swybs
swybs
Trixster
Bluelighter
it helps a TON...unless its in the toilet from your, oh lets say WIFE!
blahblahblah
Bluelighter
My plan
PK12 -
Currently I have been on a mini heroin run [daily use 2 times a day 2-4 bags per day for the last 8-9 days with 1 day off], on that day off I took 4mgs to feel no w/d symptoms. So I haven't really consumed bupe for for the last week or so.
Prior to this latest dope run I was stable and comfortable at 1-2mgs daily [insufflated]. Now with this stupid H binge I will probably take 4mgs when I start to get sick [tomorrow at around this time 1am]. The 2nd day off heroin I will take 3-2mgs, the 3rd day I will take 2mgs, by the 4th day i should be stable and take 1-2mg and be back at my baseline dosage. I might split my dosages to twice a day instead of just once a day because it seems to hold me better when split into 2 daily doses [follow me...?]
I will most likely consume the bupe either insufflated or rectally. The reasoning behind the madness is that bupe seems/is more effective with these methods of administration [especaially when taking smaller doses], the onset is quicker and I am impatient.
In addition to the Bupe I will be taking large does of Klonapin [6-10mgs daily] and Xanax or Ativan [2mgs] also for some quick relief if I feel like I need it [which I probably will]. Also I will be medicating with Hydroxyzine [100-150mg daily] and Thorazine [50-100mgs] to chill me out. I will use Trazadone [50-200mgs] or Seroquel [25-100mgs] for sleep most likely alternating days for the sleep meds. I will also possibly throw in Clonadine [.2mgs once daily], Immodium, Weed, Stratera [to keep me busy], and Booze into the cocktail as well. Some might say over kill but I 'know' what works for me and it will be relatively painless [read: easy] switch back to Suboxone maintenance. The main reason I am doing it this way is because I dont want to have my Bupe tolerence increase after this short heroin run. Sure I could dose 8-14mgs and avoid all [well most of the other meds] but as I stated above I have no urge to have my daily Bupe tolernce increased after this small run of heroin use. 'shrugs'...
With-in 4 days from today I should be back to my 'normal' dosing of bupe [.5-2mgs daily]. I have to nip this heroin run in the bud QUICK before it escalates out of control as that is the LAST thing I need in my life at the moment, i.e. picking up a habit again, I am teetering on the brink of falling back into daily heroin use at that just isnt going to fly.
PK12 -
Currently I have been on a mini heroin run [daily use 2 times a day 2-4 bags per day for the last 8-9 days with 1 day off], on that day off I took 4mgs to feel no w/d symptoms. So I haven't really consumed bupe for for the last week or so.
Prior to this latest dope run I was stable and comfortable at 1-2mgs daily [insufflated]. Now with this stupid H binge I will probably take 4mgs when I start to get sick [tomorrow at around this time 1am]. The 2nd day off heroin I will take 3-2mgs, the 3rd day I will take 2mgs, by the 4th day i should be stable and take 1-2mg and be back at my baseline dosage. I might split my dosages to twice a day instead of just once a day because it seems to hold me better when split into 2 daily doses [follow me...?]
I will most likely consume the bupe either insufflated or rectally. The reasoning behind the madness is that bupe seems/is more effective with these methods of administration [especaially when taking smaller doses], the onset is quicker and I am impatient.
In addition to the Bupe I will be taking large does of Klonapin [6-10mgs daily] and Xanax or Ativan [2mgs] also for some quick relief if I feel like I need it [which I probably will]. Also I will be medicating with Hydroxyzine [100-150mg daily] and Thorazine [50-100mgs] to chill me out. I will use Trazadone [50-200mgs] or Seroquel [25-100mgs] for sleep most likely alternating days for the sleep meds. I will also possibly throw in Clonadine [.2mgs once daily], Immodium, Weed, Stratera [to keep me busy], and Booze into the cocktail as well. Some might say over kill but I 'know' what works for me and it will be relatively painless [read: easy] switch back to Suboxone maintenance. The main reason I am doing it this way is because I dont want to have my Bupe tolerence increase after this short heroin run. Sure I could dose 8-14mgs and avoid all [well most of the other meds] but as I stated above I have no urge to have my daily Bupe tolernce increased after this small run of heroin use. 'shrugs'...
With-in 4 days from today I should be back to my 'normal' dosing of bupe [.5-2mgs daily]. I have to nip this heroin run in the bud QUICK before it escalates out of control as that is the LAST thing I need in my life at the moment, i.e. picking up a habit again, I am teetering on the brink of falling back into daily heroin use at that just isnt going to fly.
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twominds
Bluelighter
I was on Buprenorphine about a year or so ago for the first time. Was comfortable on 8mg for a few months to stabilise then dropped down to 0.6mg in about 4-5 months then got off it. I developed an opiate addiction again about two months after getting clean and got back on the program, which I still currently am on. I got back on 6mg about 4 months ago and have been down to 0.8mg but keep getting heroin/oxy habits so went back on higher bup. doses. Currently I am down to 1.8mg and intend to be off in a month or so. I think buprenorphine is a better choice for people who want to get clean. I recommend it over Methadone which I've been on for about 18 months around 4-5 years ago. Its such a deterant when you know if you shoot dope it will have minimal effect due to being a partial opiate agonist.
PurrrinInOk
Bluelighter
Trixster said:
Sorry Trixter
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who mE?
Bluelighter
After 1.4 years on suboxone, my dosage has remained stable around 2mg. I cannot feel other opioids on it.
I split my daily doses into 1mg, .5mg and .5mg.
I split my daily doses into 1mg, .5mg and .5mg.
thelung
Bluelighter
Starting Buprenorphine!
I'm proud to report that I am going to start a Buprenorphine program!
Being a methadone addict became too much to handle....the money spent, the withdrawls when I didn't have it; it was all just too much. I decided I needed to stop
The cool thing is that I'm the only patient receiving Buprenorphine from the only doctor in my city that is able to dispense it.
I start on Thursday - for people who are on a Bupe. program to get off of methadone, what can i expect? Will the withdrawls be completely erased? Will i feel a high feeling after dosing bupe. ? Any other comments would be appreciated !
thelung
I'm proud to report that I am going to start a Buprenorphine program!
Being a methadone addict became too much to handle....the money spent, the withdrawls when I didn't have it; it was all just too much. I decided I needed to stop
The cool thing is that I'm the only patient receiving Buprenorphine from the only doctor in my city that is able to dispense it.
I start on Thursday - for people who are on a Bupe. program to get off of methadone, what can i expect? Will the withdrawls be completely erased? Will i feel a high feeling after dosing bupe. ? Any other comments would be appreciated !
thelung
"for people who are on a Bupe. program to get off of methadone, what can i expect?"
you can expect that your WDs will be put at ease...you won't feel any symptoms, other than a strange feeling, and a positive anti-depressive effect.
Will the withdrawls be completely erased?
Yes, if they aren't on starting dose, dose will be escalated until your WD symptoms are completely diminished.
Will i feel a high feeling after dosing bupe.?
You may feel high, depending on what your opiate addiction was like, on your first couple days, but it will subside, as your tolerance grows. Ongoing feelings will be a general sense of well being, along with decreased mental cravings.
Any other comments would be appreciated
The only other thing I can add is that not many people have gone through WD from bupe, either they continue to stay on bupe or go back to using, or go back to using and then go back to bupe. I tend to keep my usage down to short stints, since I am pretty sure, from what I read, that bupe still has some relatively decent size WDs to contend with, when finally deciding to end the chain.
swybs
you can expect that your WDs will be put at ease...you won't feel any symptoms, other than a strange feeling, and a positive anti-depressive effect.
Will the withdrawls be completely erased?
Yes, if they aren't on starting dose, dose will be escalated until your WD symptoms are completely diminished.
Will i feel a high feeling after dosing bupe.?
You may feel high, depending on what your opiate addiction was like, on your first couple days, but it will subside, as your tolerance grows. Ongoing feelings will be a general sense of well being, along with decreased mental cravings.
Any other comments would be appreciated
The only other thing I can add is that not many people have gone through WD from bupe, either they continue to stay on bupe or go back to using, or go back to using and then go back to bupe. I tend to keep my usage down to short stints, since I am pretty sure, from what I read, that bupe still has some relatively decent size WDs to contend with, when finally deciding to end the chain.
swybs
ItchySkratchy
Bluelighter
I just started on a bupe program about 2 weeks ago now, ending my 1/2 gram a day IV heroin habit, and I must say it has been working quite well, as far as keeping cravings away.....
in the 2 weeks before I went in for my first dose I had been tapering off of dope, so that I had only done a one bag (1/10g) shot the day before.....I was w/d'ing, but not anything too intense.....I didn't tell the doc that though, so she started me off at 24mg/day.......Now from what I have heard from fellow BL'ers, this is a relatively high dose of bupe to be on, even considering my habit, but it seems to be doing the trick....(from what I have heard, this doc perscribes high doses to EVERYONE that walks through the door, which is kinda wierd....) SO, I have been playing around w/my daily dosage, and have concluded that I can do just fine on 16mg/day, so I plan on stockpiling 1 8mg tablet every day, until she (the doc) decides to taper me.....
so far so good though...it does a remarkable job at keeping the cravings at bay, and I even catch a slight euphoric buzz if I take all 3 at once when I wake up........
as far as transferring on to it from methadone, I don't know.....I've used street-purchased 'done to try and kick in the past, but that was a while ago, but I think you'll be happy w/the outcome of your bupe program!!!
goodluck dude...
btw: blahblahblah is the man to tak to about bupe...he knows his shit......
in the 2 weeks before I went in for my first dose I had been tapering off of dope, so that I had only done a one bag (1/10g) shot the day before.....I was w/d'ing, but not anything too intense.....I didn't tell the doc that though, so she started me off at 24mg/day.......Now from what I have heard from fellow BL'ers, this is a relatively high dose of bupe to be on, even considering my habit, but it seems to be doing the trick....(from what I have heard, this doc perscribes high doses to EVERYONE that walks through the door, which is kinda wierd....) SO, I have been playing around w/my daily dosage, and have concluded that I can do just fine on 16mg/day, so I plan on stockpiling 1 8mg tablet every day, until she (the doc) decides to taper me.....
so far so good though...it does a remarkable job at keeping the cravings at bay, and I even catch a slight euphoric buzz if I take all 3 at once when I wake up........
as far as transferring on to it from methadone, I don't know.....I've used street-purchased 'done to try and kick in the past, but that was a while ago, but I think you'll be happy w/the outcome of your bupe program!!!
goodluck dude...
btw: blahblahblah is the man to tak to about bupe...he knows his shit......
amnesiaseizure
Bluelighter
I did exactly what you're doing except for maybe the dose of methadone you're transfering from. You should have been advised to stop all intake of methadone at least 24hours from the first dose of bupe but I would strongly advise you go at least 48. I went from 30mg of done to 6mg of bupe and I went thorugh just 1 day of pretty bad w/d's. The thing is that the bupe will chuck all the left over done off of your receptors and so put you into w/d - the more 'done you have in there, the worse you'll feel.
I'd say to expect a bit of discomfort for at least a day but after it settles down you'll be feeling fine. Does a good job at lowering the psychological cravings too.
I'd say to expect a bit of discomfort for at least a day but after it settles down you'll be feeling fine. Does a good job at lowering the psychological cravings too.
amnesiaseizure
Bluelighter
Oh, and good luck. PM me if you wanna discuss anything more...
johnnyb420
Bluelighter
congrats let me know how it works out for you
virusitian
Bluelighter
went to the doc for some bupe....
So my more recent habit has consisted of about 2 months pretty regular use of poppy seed tea (some of you might laugh, but i drink tea from 2000grams of seeds for one dose) and then a 2 week oxycontin binge where I was snorting between 100 and 150mg of oxy per day. So I'm sick of opiates running my life and I literally cannot stop on my own, I don't know if thats just a cop out and I'm being a pussy about it, but I just can't control it. So I go to see a doc about maybe getting bupenorphine. Apparently my little habit didn't impress him, and when i inquired about subutex he said it was way too risky and he only prescribed that stuff for straight up cash off the books cause insurance doesn't pay him enough for the liability he incurs for prescribing it. It was just way shady, the whole reason I'm doing this is so I can legally get a drug that my insurance will pay for and that will get me off the juice. Not to shadily pay a doc in cash for these pills every so often, I didn't even inquire about prices I'm probably just gonna go to a different doctor. Do you think that maybe if I asked him about suboxone instead he might have been more open to prescribing that since it has less abuse potential or was he just an all out quack? Anyways, all he gave me was 12 valiums cause and I quit for like 3 days and then caved in and started using again. Tomorrow I'm gonna try another certified doc in the area and i'll inquire about suboxone because it seems docs are more inclined to prescribe that from what i've read.
So my more recent habit has consisted of about 2 months pretty regular use of poppy seed tea (some of you might laugh, but i drink tea from 2000grams of seeds for one dose) and then a 2 week oxycontin binge where I was snorting between 100 and 150mg of oxy per day. So I'm sick of opiates running my life and I literally cannot stop on my own, I don't know if thats just a cop out and I'm being a pussy about it, but I just can't control it. So I go to see a doc about maybe getting bupenorphine. Apparently my little habit didn't impress him, and when i inquired about subutex he said it was way too risky and he only prescribed that stuff for straight up cash off the books cause insurance doesn't pay him enough for the liability he incurs for prescribing it. It was just way shady, the whole reason I'm doing this is so I can legally get a drug that my insurance will pay for and that will get me off the juice. Not to shadily pay a doc in cash for these pills every so often, I didn't even inquire about prices I'm probably just gonna go to a different doctor. Do you think that maybe if I asked him about suboxone instead he might have been more open to prescribing that since it has less abuse potential or was he just an all out quack? Anyways, all he gave me was 12 valiums cause and I quit for like 3 days and then caved in and started using again. Tomorrow I'm gonna try another certified doc in the area and i'll inquire about suboxone because it seems docs are more inclined to prescribe that from what i've read.
ebeneezer_geeza
Bluelighter
http://buprenorphine.samhsa.gov/bwns_locator/dr_facilitylocatordoc.htm
perhaps this might help. It takes a lot of bupe to OD (80mg i have heard) but many doctors fear it, why should they put their neck on the line when they dont have to is their logic. And what with getting sued if you decided OD bc you used it with drink and valium (when it can be more dangerous), i can certainly see why only a small percentage of docs wanna get involved with drug problems.
perhaps this might help. It takes a lot of bupe to OD (80mg i have heard) but many doctors fear it, why should they put their neck on the line when they dont have to is their logic. And what with getting sued if you decided OD bc you used it with drink and valium (when it can be more dangerous), i can certainly see why only a small percentage of docs wanna get involved with drug problems.
Clonazaman
Bluelighter
Firstly you have a MORE than adequate habit to warrant SubX treatement. He's full of shit.
I think you probably came across the wrong way to him, somehow, and there are many ways to scare an MD-once you give a doctor a bad vibe, it's fucking OVER. And I think that's what happened. 12 Valium ( assuming 10mg ) would last me about a day in withdrawal.
If you don't have the buprenorphine physician locator do a search or PM me. Find another doc.
Incidentally, I have to pay my doc in cash as well. Please elaborate on why he wants cash
My impression is that the SubX program is still so new that all the kinks have not been worked out. I have been told that soon "Suboxone will be payed for with [insert state you live in] public aid. But I will believe that when I hear it. I talked to 10 pharmacists yesterday who had NEVER heard of the drug.
I think you probably came across the wrong way to him, somehow, and there are many ways to scare an MD-once you give a doctor a bad vibe, it's fucking OVER. And I think that's what happened. 12 Valium ( assuming 10mg ) would last me about a day in withdrawal.
If you don't have the buprenorphine physician locator do a search or PM me. Find another doc.
Incidentally, I have to pay my doc in cash as well. Please elaborate on why he wants cash
My impression is that the SubX program is still so new that all the kinks have not been worked out. I have been told that soon "Suboxone will be payed for with [insert state you live in] public aid. But I will believe that when I hear it. I talked to 10 pharmacists yesterday who had NEVER heard of the drug.
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