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Damn it, RaZka- you mentioning the Holyoke Mall triggered my other addiction: Mrs. Fields cookies! :P
Crap- BBT, you're lucky. River Phoenix died of a speedball/benzo combo.
Today is day 10 of being sober. I'll most likely wind up using again on Tuesday, though. My friend and I are driving down to Central Mass to spend the night with some friends and geek out. My social anxiety goes through the roof sometimes, and I hate drinking and pot(didn't used to be the case) so some dope and a pack of Marlboro 100s may be in order. I'm not really aiming for any particular milestones of sobriety, but 16 days is what I'll have by then. After that, I'll aim for a month. So far, I'm doing okay. No need for subs.
My usual guy got picked up by the cops a couple days before I last used, so I'm pretty bummed. I worry any new people I try to cop from will rip me off.
 
^My greatest fear at times is my guy getting pinched. Hes somewhat low scale, but would be worth grabbing. In the 'burbs of MA there isn't much street copping, its all phone connects. I am sure I could go to some of the shadier communities around my hometown and score, but it'd likely be a ripoff from some serious junkie. What I'd give to step on my guy's toes and go above him for obvious reasons. But he does his best to prevent that, maybe if I stalked him, but still wouldn't help making the contact that I needed. Anyone got advice moving up the chain of supply to save some loot, I get like 1/2 finger at times anyway from the dude, its much better than scoring a bags or even just bundles every day or 2, but I know I could save so much.

BostonBrownTown said:
step away now if you can. i just read a few of your other posts and your not a shooter either... this is your time to step away/stop. regardless of the situation, try your best to get into this subox gig or if possible STOP!
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I wouldn't say his addiction is not serious yet because he does not shoot, like that is suppose to be the difference from it being easy to stop and incredibly difficult. A person snorting 2 grams/day probably is in just as deep as someone shooting 1 gram/day. I know a guy who snorts 2 grams at a time, I'd imagine at least 3 times a day. I don't even understand how it gets that much powder up his nose, but that's where his tolerance is and he isn't really touched by it, just keeps him straight. I think he would do like 10-15 OC 80s/day prior to turning to H. As to why he never turned to the needle, I have no idea. He's been addicted for close to 15 years, he might not shoot but he is worse than ppl who do shoot, I can guarantee that.
 
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Well BBT I really don't think you read my earlier posts very closely cause I've been doin dope since 1987---do the math...and I snorted for 10 years then in 1997 switched to the needle and haven't been able to go back to snorting. Anyways I recently spoke to my P.O. and she told me it doesn't matter when I do the community service as long as I have tghe 48 hrs done by the end of my probation which is Sept 11, 2014. I'm more concerned about the $50 I have to pay by Dec.11 which is when i see her again. i have to get clean soon cause I had Hep C and two years ago i went through the treatment of interferon injected once a week and taking five of the ribavirin pills a day. I finally got rid of it but you really don't get rid of it, it just goes to undetectable levels but recently I went to the doc and unfortunately it's back again and for me to do the treatment again I have to be clean of dope which is practically impossible to do cause I've been at it for a long time. When I do get clean I get so depressed and can't function at all...My tolerance right now is pretty low I only do about 3-5 bags /day but even at that small amount I get sick as a dog as soon as I get out of bed every morning....and so it goes...8(
 
How much liver damage do you have, are you sick or do you just want to go through the treatments again and try to knock it out for good?
 
Raz looks like your options are pretty limited then either quit outright or go down the Maintinace drug road.
 
RaZkaL86 said:
Well BBT I really don't think you read my earlier posts very closely cause I've been doin dope since 1987---do the math...and I snorted for 10 years then in 1997 switched to the needle and haven't been able to go back to snorting. Anyways I recently spoke to my P.O. and she told me it doesn't matter when I do the community service as long as I have tghe 48 hrs done by the end of my probation which is Sept 11, 2014. I'm more concerned about the $50 I have to pay by Dec.11 which is when i see her again. i have to get clean soon cause I had Hep C and two years ago i went through the treatment of interferon injected once a week and taking five of the ribavirin pills a day. I finally got rid of it but you really don't get rid of it, it just goes to undetectable levels but recently I went to the doc and unfortunately it's back again and for me to do the treatment again I have to be clean of dope which is practically impossible to do cause I've been at it for a long time. When I do get clean I get so depressed and can't function at all...My tolerance right now is pretty low I only do about 3-5 bags /day but even at that small amount I get sick as a dog as soon as I get out of bed every morning....and so it goes...8(
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wow, def read that wrong. was under the impression you just got into dope coming from 80's not long ago. maybe i was reading someone else. cuz they are wayyyyy different stories. either way, sorry about that, and of course, wish you the best in all. seems you are on a low dose now at only 3-5 bags a day. i understand the sickness hits you in the morning, but 3-5 bags is a great time to stop. kicking is hard, regardless. but hopefully passes quick on a lower dosage. its funny cuz there are many times id try to kick it on my own and just go through 2-3 days withdrawals before i jumped back. blows my mind just thinking of all the fucked up shit once happening and it was not long ago
 
Blues, I'm not sick yet and i don't think there's any damage yet...just want to get a handle on it before it starts to affect my liver...Welder--I've done the maintinence routine a couple of times but I always fall back in at some point...frustrating!!! BBT, I'm trying soo hard to stop and at this point I'm glad I'm not doin buns and my use is pretty low so maybe I can stop with a couple of well-timed subs but the hardest part is getting it out of mind and soul...
 
I have detoxed many times only to go back to using a few days after I start feeling better.
 
Mr.Scagnattie said:
Yeah, man that's how this fucked up disease works. :\
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We like putting ourselves through misery I guess. Sobriety just sucks until a month or so into it and you now have money and not enough time in the day to have fun doing shit that we can cuz we got money. Then it starts to creep back " oh I've been good for a month or 2 I can get a little buzz today it's Friday night after all I deserve and earned this. Then by Sunday it's back to the self imposed isolation not answering the phone or door unless it's the dope man. Rinse and repeat again and again.
 
Welderman said:
We like putting ourselves through misery I guess. Sobriety just sucks until a month or so into it and you now have money and not enough time in the day to have fun doing shit that we can cuz we got money. Then it starts to creep back " oh I've been good for a month or 2 I can get a little buzz today it's Friday night after all I deserve and earned this. Then by Sunday it's back to the self imposed isolation not answering the phone or door unless it's the dope man. Rinse and repeat again and again.
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Yeah it's a hard cycle to break, man.
 
its weird but I've only been sober for 2-3 months but it's the best I have ever felt. I have ZERO urge.. and I am talking ZERO urge to use. Of course I am on Suboxone (16tmg/dayy) so who knows if that's actually killing the urge like that.. but it's insane if so. I am hoping to get off Soboxone within a year but if I keep feeling this good w/ no urge then I am in no rush
 
^I was wondering how long it took you to not have the urge? I have never used Suboxone long enough to reach that point, but I dose low, try to stabilize around 4 mg and drop down relatively quickly. Doing that worked once for me, I weaned way down(around .05-1 mg a day) over 1.5 months and I was clean for a few months and relapsed, but ever since I have just used Subs as a crutch until I got some money back in the bank and the finances straightened out a bit.

I hear people say that the higher doses do nothing in terms of physical effects but keep cravings at bay better, I wonder if that is true and why exactly. I still wake up sick when doing <4 mg a day, and I need to dose to function properly. Maybe having that steadily high level is the key, considering I wake up craving until my Subs kick in and I am usually scheming in my head a way to justify using either that day or in the near future, but once the Subs hit its not so bad. As it is I maybe no choice but to keep the Sub dose down for now, I have limited supply and burned bridges on the 2 Drs I have seen.

Also BBT, good to see the north shore represented on here. I as well am up in that area. I must say there had been some damn good stuff going around, but I don't know because of doing it (wish could be) but because I am well aware of the medical emergency situation in the north shore area. It seems in one major city the had 16 fatal to near fatal ODs in a 24 hour span this past weekend. I won't say exactly where, but its one of the bigger cities on the n shore, still under 100,000 population though. Most were thru early Fri to early Sat... I guess it was payday and that is when ppl tend to overindulge.

I also want to ask something regarding Suboxone Dr's in MA. Both mine and one other I called say they require appointments every week, though the most recent one I was seeing claimed he would reduce that once I was "stabilized", whenever he would have determined that I can't say. I do know 2 people I talked to in the office had been with him for awhile and still were sent in every 2 weeks. The guy also required psych counseling to stay in his program, I wasn't too keen on that. Thing is I have read a lot about Subs on forums and so many people are saying they go once a month, even right off the bat. IDK if its the state of MA or the times changing or I am going to the wrong Dr's. Anyone in MA have a Sub Dr who they just see once a month?
 
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^ I played the same game you did prior; I'd buy the Subox on the street and take in much lower dosages because I still wanted to use/wasn't ready to get off/had NO INTENTION of leaving. I'd take anywhere between 2-6MG throughout a day, or maybe just 2MG in the morning and blast away that night. We all have our ways of using subs to push off hours of use since we are broke, not paid yet, whatever.. so many stories as to why I used the subs just to hold time till the dope came around.

What sucks about these sub doc's is that you have to show the dedication; and not everyone can just TAKE TIME OFF WORK; get to these whackass weekly meetings, etc. They expect me to come in EVERY Wednesday at 5PM; i work 830-530, so it's a pain. I also just had to do a 1 month program as MGH - outpatient program - while first starting these subs. I took a month off to get going and get off the dope ASAP! They also had night courses. This all happens at The West End Clinic at MGH. Good program, good classes/meetings.. but I don't think that's the reason I feel the way I do. The dope truly burnt me out.. for too long. I just couldn't do it anymore. I barely got jammed like I once did.. I was doing it NOT TO BE SICK, something I never thought I'd have to say, even after such a long career of abuse, it just never hit me that this thing had me by the balls. I tried kicking before but always failed and came up w/ an excuse as to why it's not big deal. Finally.. I OD"d and realized that was it. Since that day I barely had any cravings, maybe 1 or 2 days early on.

Did not hear about that Northshore thing.. where did it happen? Give me the first few letters in the city name. I am SO FAR out of the local game, haven't seen any users/dealers/buyers in months. Just stepped back and stayed there. I was a solo show, didnt deal w/ other addict friends, etc. I just got it for MYSELF, used BY MYSELF, was miserable, BY MYSELF.. you get the idea. Luckily the night I did OD happen to be the first time I shot up w/ a friend in a while. I had it coming because I know my shot was a little too whacky that day but I was already whacked out I didnt care. I am happy it happened.. it changed me.

Let's hope I stay this way and I am able to get off the Subox..or even stay on.. but just KEEP AWAY FROM THE BAD STUFF. Shit ruined my life, my money, my "situation", my trust in the family, my everything. It legit had me by the balls and I was doing/going/saying shit I never thought id do/go/say and thought it was OK. also was ruining my work life. at first I always said it helped; sure, maybe to early on addictions. once your full blown, high-tolerance addiction takes over, even work is NOT something i went too often. I came up w/ many excuses and many other ways to get "cash". Just sad, man. I am happy as shit it feels like its all over. I feel like I am free. I understand it's still early on but I just never felt like this before. Even when I was sober for 5 years prior I didnt feel as strongly as I do now.
 
Im not trying to start an argument with my first post here on BL, but where you are has THE BEST quality in the city (I dont include places like Lynn, Lowell, Lawrence, etc as part of the city.....Im talking Boston. I went to your area daily for about 5 years when I lived there and I never found or found the need to go anywhere else but right there. Always through people from the DR. Only G's, person wouldnt leave his residence for anything less until I became his best client and occassionally he would come out for a half if I was in dire straits. Another thing about Beantown (maybe other places as well). These people take SUNDAY AFTERNOON/EVENINGS OFF! If you weren't down there by 1pm on a Sunday, they would never even answer the phone unless you were grabbing at least a full finger, sometimes two. No open-air in that part of Boston, it used to exist in the southie and chucktown projects, but that was around 2006.

Google HMI, and find the closest one to where you live. Most people on HMI (Habit Mgmt) are still using and can be a great starting point to find a connection or 20.

As far as stamps go (glassine baggies), They can be found in Worcester, but they are usually stuffed thick and cost 20-25/each..so they aren't really the classic stamps/bundles. In Lawrence they are (or were) EVERYWHERE, and once you hit the I91 Corridor, thats all you can really find (Holyoke, Springfield, Chicopee...and furthur south in Hartford, Pistol Wavin' New Haven.

Finally, for some reason Willamantic CT is loaded with diesel....Strange location for a town that has such a problem with it.

shammy33 said:
just stumbled upon this site/thread...so trash me now for being a noob and all that good internet stuff...but yeah shit is weak in boston im a life long resident of dorchester which is a charming little shithole where i would think dope wouldnt be that hard to find but i have yet to establish a connect since i lost my last a few weeks ago...luckily im not so bad off that im sick but without breaking rules here what the fuck anyone got any advice...like i said im a lifelong dorchester resident consider myself pretty street smart so im not worried about getting beat but its crazy ive got no idea where to start around here
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Wow, Danvers Cab, Spectrum....bringing back lots of memories from my time in MA (the first 30 years of my life).

I spent numerous (Im not even gonna say it) admissions at Bournewood Hospital in Brookline, A few at McLean in Belmont and a few more at Somerville Hospital (Before it closed down). Ended up in a halfway house in Northampton for 6 months and got my own place in Easthampton. The problem w/ that location was the 12 minute drive to the south side of Holyoke (the Flats, south of Main). 100% stamp country in Holyoke/Springfield (southside).

I was on HMI (MMT) for about 6 months about a decade ago, and although I was able to keep myself away from EVERY substance (including trees), and although I did love it (even though I was on the "work line" and had to drive to Roxbury (by South Bay Jail) at 445am every day, I loved it). Nobody else in my family loved it. I was severly over-dosed (as is everyone there, 95mgs daily was WAY too much), I gained almost 60lbs and would fall asleep in my dinner plate a few times a week. I walked off the clinic, stockpiled my own detox plan which actually really did prevent any serious 'done W/Ds. A few months later I had 4 admissions into treatment in a 3 month period of time and went the SUBS route. The first guy was a quack, cash only, worked out of a strip mall for "us" and was a PEDIATRICIAN the other 4 days a week (LOL). Then my PCP took the class to be able to prescribe and I was able to only see him once a month, with no groups, pill counts or anything like that. He was in the Boston area, and at that time I was living in Northampton, Easthampton and North Adams.....3 years on subs, came off them w/o any issue but a year later I slipped and was taking rides to the I91 corridor. Moved to Tejas 4 years ago and havent touched brown since then. Slipped on blues a few times, but I would use a 8mg "strip" to detox me (4mg/2mg/1mg/1mg) since my slips lasted no more than 2-3 days.

I only needed one connection in Boston the whole time I was out there because this dude had the absolute fire for standard prices, the downside was having to go into Murderpan, Dot, Rox-B, HydePark and Roslindale (before it was gentrified and became a gay community (no offense, thats just what happened....lots of gay people moved into Rosi once it was cleaned up). I had friends who used the towns north of Boston that are known for the brown, and I was never overwhelmed with the product compared to my guy. Even 4-5 years later, homeboy would always call me and leave his new phone number on my voicemail......dude, after 3 years I dont think Im gonna be calling anymore.

Did tons of AA/NA all over the region back between 03-07, Once I got into the halfway house in NoHo, I never copped in the city nor did I ever move back to the Boston area.

Speaking on the fentanyl in the stamp bags in MA. It 100% existed in Holyoke back in 2007-8. They were in "BIOHAZARD" stamps (in Black). Just in Northampton alone, from October 2007 until May 2009 it killed 14 people that I knew personally....One being my room-mate who I found the next morning on the floor. He was a 320lb, 6'5" guy who didnt have a huge habit, but no way that 2 skimpy Holyoke stamps would end his life.....No arsenic or other toxic substances found in the full tox screen, but "F" was found. (Due to the large amount of people who were dying, they were doing the equivalent of 9panel tests during the autopsy).

Where I live now (not that I really care), its 99% BTH from what im told....and if I was gonna dance again, I would be going to places I know had the fire back in the day. Im not about to pound the pavement and try to figure out new "open air" markets that ive never been to. Especially when a newbie comes around they always want to see your arms....and mine have never looked better. And if it really is all BTH, I cant say "Im a sniffah"....I suppose I could say "smokah", but i know nothing about BTH and how to tell if its good/bad w/o trying it.

BostonBrownTown said:
New to the site; not new to the "scene". I'm about 15 mins North of Boston. I was in the Danvers CAB not too long ago (roughly a month ago) but only put in 3 days before bouncing, going on a 3 day run, and then pulling the bed out at my moms crib and going through a 7 day withdrawal period that way. Have I used since then? Yes. Am I still "addicted"? Of course. I've been trying my best to kick the tolerance down a notch for so many reasons, but reality is I am just trying to save cash, not necessarily "get clean", ya know!? Sad to say but a lot of us addicts are in those shoes; where we just look to save cash, not really get clean. Imagine if the dope was free? Would we ever quit? Who knows. I know I've been living like a fiend over the last 3 years (at its worst) after coming off 6 years clean.

Just wanted to chime in here and say HELLO to the Boston thread. Who else is North of Boston? Who's been doing what and where? I am a BROWN only guy at this point. The dope around here is only powder, right? No rocks in this area or even on the East Coast really. I know there is no talk of pricing (from what I picked up on other threads) but I do know if I were to talk pricing in this area I'd be talking HIGH pricing. Just sayin'.

I'm not a shooter; although, I've been down that road before. Always been a sniffer. Smoke? Never have, never will. Not my thing. I just enjoy the taste, that drip, the setup, you know.. we get addicted to it all, not just the "high". I did a G earlier today and feeling good. Do I still get "high"!? Eh. Tough to say. Does it make me happier whether its working or not? Yes, sadly enough. I usually take down G or -2-3G/day when I was at my worst. I've been on/off lately, trying to push this sobriety and using every 3 or so days. My withdrawals are NOT what they once were (even going back a month ago) and I am hoping to keep it that way. I took off some time from work to go through the rehab/clean stint and it helped in it's own ways. It kept me cashless, which kept me MORE CLEAN, sadly. I am hoping to keep the clean even when the cash comes back; that will be the biggest test. THINKING of joining the program at MGH - WEST END CLINIC - anyone been there before? Tried the program? It's out-patient and it runs 3 days a week. Only problem is it runs from 5-7 in downtown Boston; kinda a pain in the ASS esp if you have a 9-5 job, but hey, I need it so I'm willing to be a bit flexible when it comes the time and hours. I am thinking either Subox, which I've tried before but on my own time, or maybe the Vivitrol shot. I may go w/ the shot since it leaves me NO OPTION.

Anyway, how about the rest of you MA/Boston peeps! Where you living, what you doing, what your situation like, you still JAMMIN' or you cleaning up that act? I'm 30 and been in this game since 18/19 when the 80's came around. Well, I got into that 80 game and before you know it I was flipping 100's a week but was too cheap/money hungry to be doing them. Well, that only lasted so long and before I was picked up and followed for 6-12 months by the DEA/FEDS, I ended up picking up a small habit back then; nothing compared to now. I was thrown away, spent 6 months in Spectrum in-house on early release out in Westborough, ended up going 9 months, had to stay out in the South Shore and went to a Framingham sober-house and stayed 6 months while attending Framingham State, and finally moved back to the Northshore after being gone for a little over 2 years. Anyway, as said before, I ended up putting close to 6-7 years of sobriety (by sobriety I mean I wasnt addicted to opiates, but still drank, maybe a little weed here and there). Out of no where I came across an old friend who I met in rehab, he had an 80 on him, and boom, it all kicked off from there. After a year I hit brown town and havent left that town since.

So again, I say HI to all my Boston peeps..
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Nocturne83 said:
Lately, I haven't had much money, and I've started considering IV-ing so I can get off for less $. Don't know where to get syringes, though.
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In massachusetts you can buy them at the pharmacy w/o prescription, no questions asked other than size (1CC with a 5/8 or 1/2 inch needle, probably a 30 gauge)....larger the number, thinner the needle. 23s and 25s are for those giant blue 3-5CC barrels that are for steroids or novicaine

You just have to be 18, CVS will sell bags of 10 for under 2 bucks. Some walgreens dont have a PLU for the bags of 10 so you used to have to buy a full box.
 
The city I was talking about was Lynn. I too am pretty seclusive in my use. Mostly I use by myself, most my friends don't use and when I go out with them I use secretively. Aside from 2 friends who use, 1 is like me and never leaves his place and the other uses on weekends and wants to booze too much for me to deal with. And lets be serious, to hang with friends who don't use drugs for fun will cost money, money for heroin, so that ain't happening.

Good luck with sticking with the Sub, BTW. I know I am in the position where I am on Subs because I can't fund doing dope everyday and not because I truly want to get off the stuff. That strategy is a destined failure, though somewhere inside of me I have a desire to stay away for good and live a normal life. But as I see it if I am not 100% set on not using again, its not going to happen. And I hear you with the way Dr's and programs require so much commitment as being a big hassle. I didn't even want to deal with a once weekly appointment and once monthly counseling visit. Maybe I could get into the meeting, I don't know, but if they turn it into a praise God thing I'd be right out of there.

Packabowl, Dorchester is probably the first part of Boston I would suspect to find something if I went into Boston to cop. Not necessarily where the best stuff would be, but in terms of finding something. There are some reasonably nicer parts of Dochester, too, possibly the place to find the better deals, rather than on the corner of Geneva and Bowdoin.
 
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