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Gabapentinoids The Lyrica (Pregabalin) Mega Thread v 2.0

lyrical is like a fake nod. an unofficial one. i guess it can make you nod. it's a bit blurry. it needs the help of something added i suppose. :rolleyes:
Wow, you could nod on lyrica, even when fake? I could take 1.2g and feel nothing besides some slight zaps in my extremities. And this after months off lyrica. No other substance induces so fast and complete tolerance.
 
Wow, you could nod on lyrica, even when fake? I could take 1.2g and feel nothing besides some slight zaps in my extremities. And this after months off lyrica. No other substance induces so fast and complete tolerance.
i knew it . I must have been tired. Or it was too brain dead boring EVEN for me. I did feel like rotted brains though. I feel like it just doesn't quite agree with me but I can't figure out what I am on while I am on it. Its kind of a stupifying experience. So i guess I can say I didn't like it AT ALL. :(
 
I can take 300mg pregab and be zooted for the rest of the day (peaks at ~4hrs for me).
"Fake nod" I can relate to at higher doses. Even used this in annolder post to describe the feel after 900mg pregab (but also had ~30-50mg diazepam in me and a coupla beers.
Had me on the floor literally.
 
Anybody else acquired seemingly complete tolerance to pregabalin? So that independent of dosage it would do nothing?
 
I have read of many accounts of this but cannot cite them atm.
But I havent had issues but then again my use is sporadic at best.
Gabapentin was a dif story. Been years but got to where Gs would provide nada.
Anybody else acquired seemingly complete tolerance to pregabalin? So that independent of dosage it would do nothing?
 
Well my 4-methyl pregabalin never arrived sadly. I heard it was roughly 1.5-3x as potent as lyrica and is indistinguishable in its effects, so I’m bummed I was never able to try it out. Fortunately I was able to procure 60 300 mg lyrica capsules a few days ago.

It’s been about 2 months since I’ve last used it. I had gone through 120 300mg caps over the span of 3 months or so, using it nearly everyday (300-900mg). For whatever reason I’m one of the lucky ones that doesn’t experience debilitating withdrawals upon discontinuation.

There does seem to be a slight lingering tolerance that occurs with lyrica, albeit I do have quite a long history of GABAergic abuse, but it’s nothing too extreme. I tried taking 300 mg yesterday and it definitely did the trick. As someone who suffers from severe anxiety and depression, lyrica has been a great tool in alleviating both ailments without creating issues that normally go along with drug abuse.

I plan on studying for my summer calculus exams today. Just popped 300 mg of lyrica and 30 mg of adderall. Great combo for studying as long as the lyrica dose stays below 300 mg. Anything above that and my cognitive abilities start to diminish.
 
How is lyrica when used in conjunction with cocaine? Does anyone have any experience with these two?

I’ve heard that you shouldn’t mix cocaine with ca2+ blockers as it will increase the cardiotoxic properties. Then again I’ve read reports stating otherwise.
 
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Phenibut worked really really well for the social anxiety / shame energies inbalance that I have been experiencing for a LOT of time. Problem is I had to stop because It would feel so caustic for my stomach.

I am looking for a substitution, ideally that I can do 2 times a week (going out/socialization). But if 2 is too much in the long run 1 time a week can do it for me too. I´ll find other med to rotate it with.

How would you say it compares to phenibut in terms of A)Mood elevation/ego inflation B) Anxiety reduction ?

Is it safe to use it in such a way for maybe 1-2 years?
 
Pregabalin is far superior to phenibut in terms of mood enhancement and anxiety reduction.

I would stick to once a week at most though.

Some find it to be a bit more sedating than phenibut however.
 
I think they are in the same drug class (gabapentinoids) but I find phenibut at ones optimal dose is much more energetic, empathetic and social.
Prebabalin is more effective for getting "high" and can cause some serious issues with balance/coordination at higher doses (but feels great lol) like alcohol and benzos kinda mixed.
My take anyway.
They both seem to have long half lives so no need to keep re-dosing once you find your "sweet spot".
 
In my view, while Phenibut is a Gabapentinoid, it is notably different then both Pregabalin and Gabapentin (both of which are very similar).

Phenibut in my opinion is closer in some ways to a muscle relaxant, having some of the properties of Baclofen (Gaba B receptor agonist activity). It also builds tolerance more quickly then other Gabapentinoids in my view. It’s duration of action is longer, but it takes about twice as long for the effects to kick in, so that delay can cause you to redose too soon and overdo it. ALL three drugs bind to the a-subunit, causing anti-anxiety and anti-seizure effects.

Do I think it’s overly harmful? Not in standard doses, but I *do* think it’s safety profile is inferior to Pregabalin. I also feel it’s effects are inferior by comparison, possibly due to its poor blood brain barrier crossover (Gabapentin is notably better here, which is why a much smaller dose is effective).

I see it in the same way that I do cough syrup compared to gold standard ketamine. One *does the job* while the other is notably safer, with more medical effects, uses, and euphoric effects.

I think Phenibut (obviously using responsible doses), is ok for occasional use, for example on the weekends over a solid period of time. However, I would *STRONGLY* caution against frequent daily use. Sudden withdraw after using for multiple weeks can cause not only similar effects to Pregabalin withdraw, it can also cause a baclofen-like withdraw. Because of its activity at the Gaba B receptor, this could be very unpleasant and at high doses over time, a sudden withdraw could be dangerous too.
 
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I think (but don't know for sure) that one difference is that phenibut has a different tolerance curve than gabapentin/pregabalin. These can't be sustained as recreational substances, you need to continuously increase the dosage, worse than with any opioid, and some time soon you'll reach complete tolerance where even an increase in dosage won't bring the effects back. Pregabalin is the single worst tolerance inducing substance I've sampled so far. Even when sticking to therapeutic 600mg/d it lost its efficacy very soon.

Phenibut is a GABA-B agonist quite like baclofen if I'm not wrong, while pregabalin/gabapentin lack this but have affinity to glutamate decarboxylase (or something similar) which converts glutamate to GABA and to the glutamate transporter GLT-1.
 
I think (but don't know for sure) that one difference is that phenibut has a different tolerance curve than gabapentin/pregabalin. These can't be sustained as recreational substances, you need to continuously increase the dosage, worse than with any opioid, and some time soon you'll reach complete tolerance where even an increase in dosage won't bring the effects back. Pregabalin is the single worst tolerance inducing substance I've sampled so far. Even when sticking to therapeutic 600mg/d it lost its efficacy very soon.

Phenibut is a GABA-B agonist quite like baclofen if I'm not wrong, while pregabalin/gabapentin lack this but have affinity to glutamate decarboxylase (or something similar) which converts glutamate to GABA and to the glutamate transporter GLT-1.
Damn...so probably even with once a week regimen tolerance would build?



In my view, while Phenibut is a Gabapentinoid, it is notably different then both Pregabalin and Gabapentin (both of which are very similar).

Phenibut in my opinion is closer in some ways to a muscle relaxant, having some of the properties of Baclofen (Gaba B receptor agonist activity). It also builds tolerance more quickly then other Gabapentinoids in my view. It’s duration of action is longer, but it takes about twice as long for the effects to kick in, so that delay can cause you to redose too soon and overdo it. ALL three drugs bind to the a-subunit, causing anti-anxiety and anti-seizure effects.

Do I think it’s overly harmful? Not in standard doses, but I *do* think it’s safety profile is inferior to Pregabalin. I also feel it’s effects are inferior by comparison, possibly due to its poor blood brain barrier crossover (Gabapentin is notably better here, which is why a much smaller dose is effective).

I see it in the same way that I do cough syrup compared to gold standard ketamine. One *does the job* while the other is notably safer, with more medical effects, uses, and euphoric effects.

I think Phenibut (obviously using responsible doses), is ok for occasional use, for example on the weekends over a solid period of time. However, I would *STRONGLY* caution against frequent daily use. Sudden withdraw after using for multiple weeks can cause not only similar effects to Pregabalin withdraw, it can also cause a baclofen-like withdraw. Because of its activity at the Gaba B receptor, this could be very unpleasant and at high doses over time, a sudden withdraw could be dangerous too.
I had to quit phenibut as I said because of too many stomach issues. Also apart from that it just felt overall toxic. I don't know why but It just felt like that.

Good news that you say pregabalin is safer!
 
I would compare phenibut more to gabapentin although it works on different receptors bu I find it not that different. Pregabalin otoh is much stronger than those 2 with a normal low dose being possible to bring you into dangerous situations.
 
I find pregabs to kick in faster on empty stomach but feels the same as taken with food, maybe not so manic and energetic. I always get tons of energy and i can't stay still when took enough pregabalin (450-900mg), i'm like people who took meth when i take pregabs, very social, happy, energetic and i talk a lot, and i'm horny, very horny 😅
 
I would take it with a friend. He said it was named Lyrica because it made him wax lyrical. Lotta thought goes into the branding. I felt like it was like molly lite. Making me super chatty; euphoric and a little giddy. But too much and feel staggering drunk, like fall on your face drunk. I took 450mg daily for years; it wore off due to tolerance. Now I just take 150 a day to maintain without withdrawal symptoms from yet another drug. Prescribed it for nerve pain for about 15 years.
 
I like the mood lift and anxiolysis of pregab but tolerance rises too fast to use regularly and I am scared of forming a habit with it so haven't dabbled for a while. Its a wonder drug for withdrawals or comedowns tho. Also it seems to tank my verbal fluency which makes it not very productive if I have to be on my game as it were. It seems "safer" than benzos but thay might not actually be true. I'm talking specifically about seizure risk from overuse.
 
If i need a norco I am not sure substituting a pregabalin instead would be such a good idea.
I did a few doses of pregabalin and was much too and way too strong for me. Is a very potent medication
most definitely for me.
And much more potent than just the gabapentin ever was.
 
Gabapentin was worthless; I never even took it; couldn't tell if it did anything so I binned it. Although I learned about the stacking doses in order to feel it much later ; after I paid thru the nose for 10 years of retail pfizer scripts of the much more potent lyrica. Yes I also found myself searching for words curiously on it; which is why I lowered my dose as I felt the odd impairment it caused couldn't be good. I learned it is a very cheap chemical that pfizer priced as gold. Then extended the patent for years excluding generic suppliers. Then they absorbed the biggest generic supply company which jacked the price, again. Now, finally, I get it for 18 dollars a month. Hundreds of $$ a month for years to Pfizer from me cuz my doc said it may help and then I found out I was addicted to it as well.
 
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