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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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yeah, but i have been on 40mg daily for about 2 years. I know this w/d is gonna be the worst one yet.

You are making yourself a victim here. Your habit isn't that bad and you are retarded for even considering bupe which is way stronger. Source: CT a 30g/day habit for over a year straight last month. Wasn't that bad.
 
MDB please don't use Buprenorphine to get off Kratom. For a start you've previous addiction issues to subs n initially went onto Kratom to get off the bupe n manage the WDs - but here you are two years later still on Kraton. Most people use kraton to relieve the suffering of subs withdrawal symptoms. I think you are worrying over nothing n should taper n then jump. I've been told that kraton withdrawals l only last for a few days. Subs is a month or to six weeka.

As you know I've recently dropped from 2 mg tp 1.6 mg n was the first time I felt a drop in dosing. The withdrawals are not awful.

Most people on Bluelight know that I made a huge mistake over 3 years ago in going from a codeine addiction to subutec addiction. You're basicalky going round im circles n need to stop the cycle.

So my advice to you is to taper, Jump. Go through the withdrawals n get your life back.

Evey
 
Any habitual Kratom users ever try Stem and Vein? I hear that it compeletey resets tolerance and speeds up the brains recovery time by 50%. I dunno what to believe. I guess if you want to continue with kratom it could serve a purpose but is it not generally the case that after a couple óf doses your tolerance goes right back to where it was before (applies to all opis afaik, probably many other things too). I guess the speeding up of recovery time could be helpful. But ive already acquired some bupe and was gonna use that to do a quick taper.

Any thoughts, Anyone?

What is "stem and vein"??
 
What is "stem and vein"??

Stem and vein is exactly what it sounds like, the stems and veins that are removed from the leaf before processing leaf into powder kratom. It is said that there is less mitragynine and 7-OH-mitragynine in the S&V's than the rest of the leaf and more of some of the alkaloids that tweak the dopamine receptors, so I guess the idea is similar to using DXM to 'reset' your opiate receptors. Whether or not this works, well... Like most things Kratom, it depends on the individual and the quality of the S&V you get. ;) YMMV
 
Stem and vein is exactly what it sounds like, the stems and veins that are removed from the leaf before processing leaf into powder kratom. It is said that there is less mitragynine and 7-OH-mitragynine in the S&V's than the rest of the leaf and more of some of the alkaloids that tweak the dopamine receptors, so I guess the idea is similar to using DXM to 'reset' your opiate receptors. Whether or not this works, well... Like most things Kratom, it depends on the individual and the quality of the S&V you get. ;) YMMV

Interesting.

So some vendors sell bags of stems and veins specifically as opposed to regular Kratom?

I'm not asking for a vendor, just wondering cause I have never seen vendors sell them before.

Does S & V have its own unique high to it that is different from regular Kratom?

Is it milder?

Is there any real use for it other than to reset tolerance?
 
Interesting.

So some vendors sell bags of stems and veins specifically as opposed to regular Kratom?

I'm not asking for a vendor, just wondering cause I have never seen vendors sell them before.

Does S & V have its own unique high to it that is different from regular Kratom?

Is it milder?

Is there any real use for it other than to reset tolerance?

Some users enjoy stem and vein in its own right, for the different buzz it gives, some add a bit to every dose of w/e other strain they are taking, to stretch it out for less money, as it has been a bit cheaper, maybe hoping to keep their tolerance down too, i dunno. With the NPS ban approaching in the UK Stem and Vein will be much more in demand as everyone is looking to quit as quickly and easily as possible. Its rarely in stock currently, and though the vendor is exteremely ethical towards his customers he may increase the prices of s & v, in the face of such demand, i dunno.

Because it has completely different alkaloids to normal kratom, and if you dont normally use it, the brain has no tolerance, and a 10g dose which had become a normal dose for me on the other normal strains was far too much. Very stimmy, bad tremor etc. I have become addicted to the Malay strain far more than any other, so am gradually reducing my Malay dose and increasing my stem and vein dose each time. Currently on about a 50/50 mix of both per morning dose. Will aim to get my first dose of the day to 100% stem and vein for a week, its already 55/45, then do the same for my second dose, or depending how things go with the 2nd dose, im keeping that at 50/50 for a while but may push on with that at the same time. Then finally the same for my 3rd dose, or possibly just quit after converting both my first 2 doses to 100% stem and vein and doing a week of that. After doing 1 week of stem and vein on each dose, i will then be quitting that dose, and hoping that those reports of S & V halving recovery time are true.

I am completely making this up as i go along and 'playing it by ear', and the plan is subject to change minute by minute. Once I get my first dose down to less than 1.5g of Malay, i may ditch the Malay altogether for the first dose and just use 100% s & v. That sounds like a good idea, and has now become the next mini goal. There is a danger that if don't do this quickly enough that I'll end up getting addicted to stem and vein. So I dont plan on taking pure stem and vein in any one dose for any longer than 2 weeks. I have reduced to 15g a day total now (at least 4g of that 15g is stem and vein), but that's after a weekend bingeing on much stronger opis and im probably currently being carried by the half remaining half life of that binge.. I'll stick to my new low daily total of 15g now w/e and probably wont need the bupe, admittedly that was a mistake.
 
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I found Kratom to be very disappointing. I ordered 100 grams from a reputable vendor, and it had little effect on me besides making me nauseous. I would take 10+ grams at a time. My friend, on the other hand, really enjoyed it! He compared it to a low dose of Vicodin. I guess it varies from person to person
 
I found Kratom to be very disappointing. I ordered 100 grams from a reputable vendor, and it had little effect on me besides making me nauseous. I would take 10+ grams at a time. My friend, on the other hand, really enjoyed it! He compared it to a low dose of Vicodin. I guess it varies from person to person

Yeah I gave a friend 5 grams, nothing..upped it go 8 grams, nothing...10 grams still nothing, not even side effects and it was good quality as I stil feel it fine just off 5 grams..
 
You are making yourself a victim here. Your habit isn't that bad and you are retarded for even considering bupe which is way stronger. Source: CT a 30g/day habit for over a year straight last month. Wasn't that bad.

Problem is for some people kratom withdrawals even at 20 grams makes the miserable..everyone is different but I still wouldn't use bupenorphine for the withdrawals..just taper
 
I've just been reading through the thread and thought I'd share a little of my story. Had never been physically addicted to anything before I started Kratom, and I quickly got hooked. I'd use different brands, the crushed powder in gel caps, and it got out of control, at one point almost 60 grams a day, or at least a whole 30 gram bag and most of another. Spent an ungodly amount of money on it. Any trip or family vacation, or any time I was gonna be out of my comfort zone would cause anxiety, because I had to plan ahead, make sure I had enough to last and that I could hide it somewhere.

I realize that is a stupid amount of Kratom to take, but wanted to share this: I have had multiple seizures late at night, after a long day of Kratom binging, (I usually didn't eat anything all day to keep my buzz up, and also at night I'd take three Benadryl, it seemed to boost my Kratom buzz). My girlfriend found me having a seizure, I didn't even believe her after the fact, except that my chin was busted wide open.

She took me to the ER, I had every test done that they do when somebody has a seizure, everything came up completely normal. I know it was the Kratom because it only happened at a specific time at night after I had taken over my regular dosage. I probably had 8 or 9 seizures before I finally admitted to myself I had no control over it.

The W/Ds sucked, bad, but it's only a few days, and it is nothing compared to waking up in the morning feeling like I have control over my life again.

I'm not saying this to bad mouth Kratom, it can be good if used responsibly, just as a caution to anybody reading this, who finds their use escalating.
 
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Damn, I never heard of anyone having a seizure from Kratom before.

I believe you of course, it just sounds like an extreme reaction.

Not eating probably didn't help you to that effect.

Glad you are doing better now.
 
I've just been reading through the thread and thought I'd share a little of my story. Had never been physically addicted to anything before I started Kratom, and I quickly got hooked. I'd use different brands, the crushed powder in gel caps, and it got out of control, at one point almost 60 grams a day.

I realize that is a stupid amount of Kratom to take, but wanted to share this: I have had multiple seizures late at night, after a long day of Kratom binging, (I usually didn't eat anything all day to keep my buzz up, and also at night I'd take three Benadryl, it seemed to boost my Kratom buzz). My girlfriend found me having a seizure, I didn't even believe her after the fact, except that my chin was busted wide open.

She took me to the ER, I had every test done that they do when somebody has a seizure, everything came up completely normal. I know it was the Kratom because it only happened at a specific time at night after I had taken over my regular dosage. I probably had 8 or 9 seizures before I finally admitted to myself I had no control over it.

WOW! At over two ounces in a day, who knows what might happen. Kratom is just barely becoming understood. Perhaps it is like tramadol. I had a seizure after taking 40 50mg trams many years ago. (Yes, very stupid) Some may be more affected by it than others? Like they say, just because it's a botanical doesn't mean no risks/side effects, etc. TY wnjcwjkk (Interesting screenname, LOL) TY RT
 
I've just been reading through the thread and thought I'd share a little of my story. Had never been physically addicted to anything before I started Kratom, and I quickly got hooked. I'd use different brands, the crushed powder in gel caps, and it got out of control, at one point almost 60 grams a day, or at least a whole 30 gram bag and most of another. Spent an ungodly amount of money on it. Any trip or family vacation, or any time I was gonna be out of my comfort zone would cause anxiety, because I had to plan ahead, make sure I had enough to last and that I could hide it somewhere.

I realize that is a stupid amount of Kratom to take, but wanted to share this: I have had multiple seizures late at night, after a long day of Kratom binging, (I usually didn't eat anything all day to keep my buzz up, and also at night I'd take three Benadryl, it seemed to boost my Kratom buzz). My girlfriend found me having a seizure, I didn't even believe her after the fact, except that my chin was busted wide open.

She took me to the ER, I had every test done that they do when somebody has a seizure, everything came up completely normal. I know it was the Kratom because it only happened at a specific time at night after I had taken over my regular dosage. I probably had 8 or 9 seizures before I finally admitted to myself I had no control over it.

The W/Ds sucked, bad, but it's only a few days, and it is nothing compared to waking up in the morning feeling like I have control over my life again.

I'm not saying this to bad mouth Kratom, it can be good if used responsibly, just as a caution to anybody reading this, who finds their use escalating.

In my opinion, Inthink thar thr seizures are more likely to be a consequence of not eating than of the kratom. I'm not saying that it isn't possible for Kratom to give people seizures. As others have said we don't know enough about Kratom n so it's worth bring it to people's attemtion, as It's a Harm Reduction site n to try n keep users safe.

I hope I'm not coming across as blunt here n I make no apologies for the comtents as I feel that some vulnerable people may read your post n possibility think "this member has got a buzz from kratom by not eating all day long, so that's what I'll do n I'll get a buzz get a buzz from kratom too," addiction distorts rational thinking when it comes to substances). I feel that you are being silly by not eating. You're depriving your body of vital nutrients to do basic things such as sleeping, your body will eat itself; eat the muscle n every time you do eat you will gain weight because the body goes into survival mode m tells it to store it in the fat cells for times of famine. Your immune system will become weaker meaning you're more likely to get ill more often.

You may get have a deficiency of vitamin B1 (thismine) or vitamin B6 (pyridoxine) which can bring on seizures. Low magnesium levels, which can result from poor nutrition n, or other factors, can be a cause of seizures.
You also may become anaemic

I've just re-read your post (bare with me I've little sleep due to 3-FPM) n notice you say ER staff tested you. Do you know exactly what tests they did n you n can you please post them? I'm interested in whether they tested your nutritional levels or not. Did you tell them that you used Kratom?

Also I'm unfamiliar with the substance, Benadryl so when you write "I took 3 benadryls" it doesn't really tell me anything. Please can you tell me what it is, what dosage you took n whether it exceeds what the daily recommended dosage is. It may be possiblr that you had a seizure because of the Benadryl or the interaction of Benadryl with Kratom n even the interaction of kratom, Benadryl with no possible vitinamin deficiency. See whete I'm going with this, ot's not so clear cut yet people will read this n jump to the conclusion that kratom causes seizures.

I'm sorry I'm honestly not trying to be funny n do appreciate you taking time to post this for us as you have have saved some from an ordeal, however, when someone claims that they had seizures because of a substance they took, n wants to warn others it's vital that all the factors are taken into consideration m either rule out, or note, as affecting the probability of the substance being the primary cause. And bevause, although you n I are strangers, I would hate the isea of something causing you to be ill that you may unaware of.

I'm rambling now but thank you n I hope you feel better n please start eating properly <3

Evey
 
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Damn, I never heard of anyone having a seizure from Kratom before.

I believe you of course, it just sounds like an extreme reaction.

Not eating probably didn't help you to that effect.

Glad you are doing better now.

Go check out quittingkratom on reddit..some people claim they lost a ton of hair, developed adhd like problems, extreme lethargy, hormone problems from kratom..now they were dosing pretty high but still, these symptoms are freaky
 
I found Kratom to be very disappointing. I ordered 100 grams from a reputable vendor, and it had little effect on me besides making me nauseous. I would take 10+ grams at a time. My friend, on the other hand, really enjoyed it! He compared it to a low dose of Vicodin. I guess it varies from person to person

My girlfriend needs 18 to feel anything. I use 11 now. Some people just need a higher dose.
 
I need some answer please I took a employment drug screen today I took 2 10 mg hydros and a 30 mg roxy 1 week ago.when I took the test my pee was dark will i pass?
 
No one can tell you for certain of you'll pass, but I highly doubt after taking them that you would pass the same day or the day after
 
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