Kratom The Kratom Megathread

[CoastTwoCoast]

It's also important to drink A LOT of water on kratom. If I remember correctly, it's very dehydrating. That wouldn't be good for any skin condition. Stay hydrated.

 

[Retired Trashcan]

I have read mostly all of this thread, but if this was here somewhere and I missed it, I apologize. I know for most people, red is the most 'sedating' strain, then green, then white, however, not always so. I find red to be the most stimulating, followed by green (Malay mostly), and I tend to find white to be somewhat annoying, ratherv then stimulating. I am also stimulated rather then sedated by most opioid medications, I think it may well be that for others stimulated by opiate type substances may get the same effect (I was a Rx opiate/opioid abuser for many years, so I do know my body, LOL.) Hope this contributes to the ongoing discussion.

 

[CfZrx]

Hey fellow users, How long is the analgesic effect from kratom? How long does one dose keep wds away? Thanks

 

[Mdone_help]

Been using 130mgs of methadone for 5 years. Just detoxed miserably about 3-4 months ago. Doctors told me 4-6 months before I'd really feel better, I'm still feeling pretty miserable physically. Worst thing ever to detox from. Anyone have any advice or input on how long withdrawals last or anything that helps coming off methadone?? Thank you in advance.

 

[Mdone_help]

Sorry, I thought this was an opioid thread...Not sure where to post

 

[Mycophile]

I have read mostly all of this thread, but if this was here somewhere and I missed it, I apologize. I know for most people, red is the most 'sedating' strain, then green, then white, however, not always so. I find red to be the most stimulating, followed by green (Malay mostly), and I tend to find white to be somewhat annoying, ratherv then stimulating. I am also stimulated rather then sedated by most opioid medications, I think it may well be that for others stimulated by opiate type substances may get the same effect (I was a Rx opiate/opioid abuser for many years, so I do know my body, LOL.) Hope this contributes to the ongoing discussion.

Honestly, so far I think that there isn't as big a difference between strains as people make out.

To a certain extent I'm not even sure that the differences I have noticed aren't placebo since i tried almost every strain from a well known vendor and in the end the differences felt fairly arbitrary a lot of the time.

I think there are SOME differences but they are overstated.

Sekio did some kind's of lab experiments on a bunch of strains and found them to have mostly the same alkaloid composition.

 

[Retired Trashcan]

^^^ @ Mdone_help: This is a Kratom forum, so you might not get the answer you need on this thread. Unless of course, you want to use Kratom to get off the 'done. In which case, I used Kratom a 'depression-maintanance" drug to relieve a multiyear, multi-opiate habit. In either case, for me, I am a 'heavy user', 30+ grams a day, not recommended in ANY case, read back through this thread for more ideas and dosing.

 

[Retired Trashcan]

Honestly, so far I think that there isn't as big a difference between strains as people make out.

To a certain extent I'm not even sure that the differences I have noticed aren't placebo since i tried almost every strain from a well known vendor and in the end the differences felt fairly arbitrary a lot of the time.

I think there are SOME differences but they are overstated.

Sekio did some kind's of lab experiments on a bunch of strains and found them to have mostly the same alkaloid composition.

I suspected as much, but as I guy who couldn't tell a lot of difference between some vicodin in my system, and some roxies in my system, I thought I'd put that out there. I guess I don't notice the 'subtle' effects, opiate high is opiate high to me, quantity means more specific substance in the opiate world, again, for me

 

[Mycophile]

I suspected as much, but as I guy who couldn't tell a lot of difference between some vicodin in my system, and some roxies in my system, I thought I'd put that out there. I guess I don't notice the 'subtle' effects, opiate high is opiate high to me, quantity means more specific substance in the opiate world, again, for me

But I am still not convinced there aren't some significant differences between some strains either and quantity IS a MASSIVE factor with Kratom as lower dosages are usually more stimulating and higher dosages more sedating etc.

But things can differ. For example, my usual dosage is 14 grams (I know i have a HUGE tolerance) but usually I take 8 grams of green vs 6 grams of red and feel stimulated yet opiated.

Yesterday I took 7 of each and felt very sedated so it MIGHT have been the extra red.

And there was one particular strain from a vendor, called Red Dragon, that VERY much TO ME the couple times I took it produced a different and more pure opioid/sedating effect than green or white strains.

I am really not sure.

It's hard because I would mix so many strains in different amounts and rarely take ONLY one strain one day and one the next.

I think it will take more experimenting with more strains from more vendors before I can be sure, but I'd still bet that there ARE in fact SOME differences in strains (also dependent on vendors as they are never the same across vendors).

And extracts...well, we don't even need to go into THOSE.

I usually don't use them now as they make my tolerance increase MASSIVELY but there's no way to confuse an extract like UEI with a typical strain of regular Kratom.

So again, it's just very hard to say at this point.

I'm not going to take Sekio's studies as gospel truth either as they were just one done by one person.

In truth, it's an area that is still pretty much unknown as Kratom itself is a widely controversial substance, even amongst users, as to the effects it produces.

It's definitely an interesting and unusual drug with how many kinds it has, kind of like how there are so many strains of weed with different effects like Sativa and Indica and every strain within them.

Kratom is DEFINITELY not just like any other opiate.

You can't compare Kratom to Oxy or Hydro for example.

I also never could tell much difference between Oxy (Percocet) and Hydro (Vicodin) though some say they can....but Kratom is vastly different from your typical opiate which tends to have only one effect.

Kratom is a stimulant AND a depressant.

Again, much like weed, it can produce different effects and you may get different results each time unlike Oxy for example where every time will feel generally the same.

 

[Retired Trashcan]

@ Mycophile. I agree with you. Really, a good (for me) dose of Kratom is more like tramadol, a substance I love, but not the seizures that its abuse gave me. Kratom is much better, since I already know too much just makes me feel, well, NASTY! It keeps me it check, to a point. Also, can you PM me about vendors. I have one I trust, others are ???? to me, even tho I know there are Kratom forums, I don't trust vendors not to pose as 'Joe Anyguy' and post BS about how good ABC Vendor (them) is. TY in advance.

P.S. Asking a person to PM me about vendors is not the same as 'naming sources' right. Cause if if it is, I will take down this post TY y'all.

 

[CfZrx]

One thing I like about Tom [my new name for kratom) is that you can easily taper down compared to say morphine, where each increment down is depressing and strength zapping.

 

[suzieq70s]

Been seriously considering ordering some kratom. Planning on ordering 4 different samples. If y'all will indulge me I have a few questions.

1. I'd like ideas for 2 different strains for in the morning weekday. Mood lift. Energizing. Get me in the mood to get things done

I'd also like ideas for 2 different strains for a weekend treat type of thing. Euphoria. Slightly relaxing. Just sit back and enjoy the evening and take away some of my worries

2. I plan on using capsules to avoid the nasty taste. Just don't think it's something I could handle. So silly question as I've never done a capsule thing before. After I weigh out a dose how do I get it in the capsule without leaving any powder behind or spilling it on the counter etc....

3. Any ideas on how to battle any nausea I might get with OTC medicine or the like

4. I plan on trying one sample on Monday then another on Tuesday another on Wednesday then Thursday and then get on a different type of schedule once I find what i like. Does this sound OK. Or should I wait longer in between samplings to let the last one wear off. Such as one sample on Mondays

5. I thought I read somewhere that it effects serotonin. I take mirtazapine 7.5 mg nightly. Do I have to worry about any seratonin level concerns

6. I plan on ordering the samples a scale and the capsules. Any thing else I might need to get for this

Once I get my order I'll come back and ask about the dosing with the ones I have

Thank you in advance

 

[Rachella666]

I suffer from terrible anxiety so I'm ordering red Borneo, is this strain good for anxiety as I have been recommended it?

 

[Snake_Eyes]

It's one of the better ones. Low doses are more stimulating so you will have to play with the dosages until you find a dose that works for you assuming it does.

 

[Retired Trashcan]

Generally, red vein type Kratom has the highest amount of anxiety relief, but Your Milage May Very. If it doesn't help, try adjusting dosage, then strain. There can be a big 'learning-curve' with Kratom, so give it a few tries before giving up.

 

[Snake_Eyes]

But I am still not convinced there aren't some significant differences between some strains either and quantity IS a MASSIVE factor with Kratom as lower dosages are usually more stimulating and higher dosages more sedating etc.

But things can differ. For example, my usual dosage is 14 grams (I know i have a HUGE tolerance) but usually I take 8 grams of green vs 6 grams of red and feel stimulated yet opiated.

Yesterday I took 7 of each and felt very sedated so it MIGHT have been the extra red.

And there was one particular strain from a vendor, called Red Dragon, that VERY much TO ME the couple times I took it produced a different and more pure opioid/sedating effect than green or white strains.

I am really not sure.

It's hard because I would mix so many strains in different amounts and rarely take ONLY one strain one day and one the next.

I think it will take more experimenting with more strains from more vendors before I can be sure, but I'd still bet that there ARE in fact SOME differences in strains (also dependent on vendors as they are never the same across vendors).

And extracts...well, we don't even need to go into THOSE.

I usually don't use them now as they make my tolerance increase MASSIVELY but there's no way to confuse an extract like UEI with a typical strain of regular Kratom.

So again, it's just very hard to say at this point.

I'm not going to take Sekio's studies as gospel truth either as they were just one done by one person.

In truth, it's an area that is still pretty much unknown as Kratom itself is a widely controversial substance, even amongst users, as to the effects it produces.

It's definitely an interesting and unusual drug with how many kinds it has, kind of like how there are so many strains of weed with different effects like Sativa and Indica and every strain within them.

Kratom is DEFINITELY not just like any other opiate.

You can't compare Kratom to Oxy or Hydro for example.

I also never could tell much difference between Oxy (Percocet) and Hydro (Vicodin) though some say they can....but Kratom is vastly different from your typical opiate which tends to have only one effect.

Kratom is a stimulant AND a depressant.

Again, much like weed, it can produce different effects and you may get different results each time unlike Oxy for example where every time will feel generally the same.

If it's through who I think it is then it doesn't surprise me because their RD has always been surprising strong and consistent. I stick with red Kalimantan since I can buy it buy the half kilo/kilo for a lot less.

 

[CoastTwoCoast]

Been seriously considering ordering some kratom. Planning on ordering 4 different samples. If y'all will indulge me I have a few questions.

1. I'd like ideas for 2 different strains for in the morning weekday. Mood lift. Energizing. Get me in the mood to get things done

I'd also like ideas for 2 different strains for a weekend treat type of thing. Euphoria. Slightly relaxing. Just sit back and enjoy the evening and take away some of my worries

2. I plan on using capsules to avoid the nasty taste. Just don't think it's something I could handle. So silly question as I've never done a capsule thing before. After I weigh out a dose how do I get it in the capsule without leaving any powder behind or spilling it on the counter etc....

3. Any ideas on how to battle any nausea I might get with OTC medicine or the like

4. I plan on trying one sample on Monday then another on Tuesday another on Wednesday then Thursday and then get on a different type of schedule once I find what i like. Does this sound OK. Or should I wait longer in between samplings to let the last one wear off. Such as one sample on Mondays

5. I thought I read somewhere that it effects serotonin. I take mirtazapine 7.5 mg nightly. Do I have to worry about any seratonin level concerns

6. I plan on ordering the samples a scale and the capsules. Any thing else I might need to get for this

Once I get my order I'll come back and ask about the dosing with the ones I have

Thank you in advance

A scale is a great idea so you know exactly how much you're taking. I've been doing it so long I don't measure, I know how many pills to choke down. I heard Maeng Da (however you spell it) is energizing. My preference is Bali Kratom,that's the relaxing type when you want to chill.

I kinda think the whole different type of strain thing is full of it. With each strain, if you take less, it's energizing and if you take more, it's sedating. It all works the same. Though I prefer Bali.

There's a strain called UEI. Ultra Enhanced Indo and a LITTLE goes a long way. It's supposed to be the strongest and best because it gets you really high. It made me feel sick a lot. I don't like it. Plus, the prices are outrageous. Not worth it to me.

I use "00" capsules btw.

 

[Doob]

Hey Everyone! I've been a long time lurker and finally made the jump... Anyway, I have a question for my friend;

My friend has been taking "head-shop" quality Maeng Da Kratom capsules, anywhere from 7g-15g a day, spread out over 4 dosings for the past 4 months with an occasional week off (only twice). Previous to this, my friend has had a long a storied history with opiates/withdrawals/etc. over the course of the past ten years. A few months on, a few months off kind of thing, so by no means is this person opiate naive. Anyway, my friend has a major orthopedic surgery coming up in exactly 15 days (part of the reason they have had such a long history with opiates is because of many prior orthopedic surgeries due to an accident). As of today, they have been off Kratom for 48 hours, and while they feel mildly crappy and didn't get much sleep last night, compared to other withdrawals -- they have a hard time even considering this a true withdrawal. Their questions is this; will the amount of Kratom they have been taking interfere with either the pain meds or general anesthesia when they have surgery after being clean for 17 total days prior? Further, will that be enough time to sufficiently lower their tolerance so that after the surgery the medication will be effective? Thanks for your help!

 

[suzieq70s]

A scale is a great idea so you know exactly how much you're taking. I've been doing it so long I don't measure, I know how many pills to choke down. I heard Maeng Da (however you spell it) is energizing. My preference is Bali Kratom,that's the relaxing type when you want to chill.

I kinda think the whole different type of strain thing is full of it. With each strain, if you take less, it's energizing and if you take more, it's sedating. It all works the same. Though I prefer Bali.

There's a strain called UEI. Ultra Enhanced Indo and a LITTLE goes a long way. It's supposed to be the strongest and best because it gets you really high. It made me feel sick a lot. I don't like it. Plus, the prices are outrageous. Not worth it to me.

I use "00" capsules btw.

Thank you so much

 

[belfort]

Hey Everyone! I've been a long time lurker and finally made the jump... Anyway, I have a question for my friend;

My friend has been taking "head-shop" quality Maeng Da Kratom capsules, anywhere from 7g-15g a day, spread out over 4 dosings for the past 4 months with an occasional week off (only twice). Previous to this, my friend has had a long a storied history with opiates/withdrawals/etc. over the course of the past ten years. A few months on, a few months off kind of thing, so by no means is this person opiate naive. Anyway, my friend has a major orthopedic surgery coming up in exactly 15 days (part of the reason they have had such a long history with opiates is because of many prior orthopedic surgeries due to an accident). As of today, they have been off Kratom for 48 hours, and while they feel mildly crappy and didn't get much sleep last night, compared to other withdrawals -- they have a hard time even considering this a true withdrawal. Their questions is this; will the amount of Kratom they have been taking interfere with either the pain meds or general anesthesia when they have surgery after being clean for 17 total days prior? Further, will that be enough time to sufficiently lower their tolerance so that after the surgery the medication will be effective? Thanks for your help!

Your friend?come on, just be honest as everyone knows who u are talking about..

Impossible to tell you about your tolerance but general rule is, your tolerance will go down but within days of using it your tolerance will be right back where it was before