Kratom The Kratom Megathread

[belfort]

Like with any other opiate, once you have had a solid physical addiction to it in the past, withdrawals come on sooner and easier, until you get them after only a single day of use. You can try things like memantine, agmatine, or other potentiaters. Other then that, take as long of a break as possible, and then use no more then once a week, and reduce your dose. Only dose once in a day, so wait until later in the day so you can end the day still relatively high. That is your best chance at avoiding withdrawal, otherwise it is inevitable.

Agreed, if one is getting withdrawals from binging twice a day, then the next logical step is to only binge once in that day and see what happens..the days of binging all day long are gone ..

 

[belfort]

I get withdrawals after 9 hours without it, so I just never run out...I can't help with that one, Mycophile. I still get good effects with 7 grams even though I use about an ounce a day.

When do the peak withdrawals hit you?on reddit some claim they didn't even start feeling withdrawals until 48 hours after their last dose..these were daily users of 30 gram plus so it doesn't make sense..Kratom withdrawals should kick in within 12 hours after last dose

 

[belfort]

Maeng Da Kratom is the way to go, powder form. Once Albert Einstein had a horrible tooth ache, he took 60 mg of Oxycodone and it didn't do crap to stop the pain. He said bollocks to it all and took 10 grams of Maeng Da Kratom within 30 minutes he was sleeping like a baby with no pain. It's an effective pain reliever and low if zero respiratory depression unlike typical opiates.

Absolutely, opiates only help certain kinds of pain..Kratom lessens all forms of pain in my experience whether it is bone or muscle..I just wish it didn't fucking cripple my sex drive lol

 

[Bagseed]

Maeng Da Kratom is the way to go, powder form. Once Albert Einstein had a horrible tooth ache, he took 60 mg of Oxycodone and it didn't do crap to stop the pain. He said bollocks to it all and took 10 grams of Maeng Da Kratom within 30 minutes he was sleeping like a baby with no pain. It's an effective pain reliever and low if zero respiratory depression unlike typical opiates.

"albert einstein" is one of the funnier swim-iterations I have seen yet ^^


ad withdrawal discussion: yeah after having had two "real" kratom withdrawals (which are not really worse than an average cold at least with the doses I was taking), if I consume it a couple days in a row, I also get a rebound after I stop.

 

[Slow_Mobius]

"albert einstein" is one of the funnier swim-iterations I have seen yet ^^


ad withdrawal discussion: yeah after having had two "real" kratom withdrawals (which are not really worse than an average cold at least with the doses I was taking), if I consume it a couple days in a row, I also get a rebound after I stop.

May I ask how often/how much you were using?

I've been using kratom daily for about a week now to control chronic pain. I haven't felt any WDs within the 15 hours or so that I typically go between uses, but I'm only using less than 10g spread accross the evening/night

 

[belfort]

"albert einstein" is one of the funnier swim-iterations I have seen yet ^^


ad withdrawal discussion: yeah after having had two "real" kratom withdrawals (which are not really worse than an average cold at least with the doses I was taking), if I consume it a couple days in a row, I also get a rebound after I stop.

Rebound which consists of what, tiredness and anxiety?

 

[when I dream]

I get withdrawals after 9 hours without it, so I just never run out...I can't help with that one, Mycophile. I still get good effects with 7 grams even though I use about an ounce a day.

9 hours?! Jesus christ

I've been using like an ounce a day for almost two years and I can generally go 24 hours or so before any sort of real discomfort sets in. I wouldn't be surprised if your "withdrawal" after nine hours is completely mental. It's amazing how one can feel like they are withdrawaling if only they expect to be in withdrawal

 

[belfort]

May I ask how often/how much you were using?

I've been using kratom daily for about a week now to control chronic pain. I haven't felt any WDs within the 15 hours or so that I typically go between uses, but I'm only using less than 10g spread accross the evening/night

A week of 10 grams a day?u won't even notice withdrawals if you have them

 

[Slow_Mobius]

A week of 10 grams a day?u won't even notice withdrawals if you have them

That's good to hear. I was dependent on tramadol for awhile, and I really can't take it anymore without experiencing the issue that mycophile has been talking about with kratom.

 

[Mycophile]

That's good to hear. I was dependent on tramadol for awhile, and I really can't take it anymore without experiencing the issue that mycophile has been talking about with kratom.

You probably aren't getting withdrawal because you haven't stopped taking it right??

So you are always on it so of course there's no WD.

If not, EVENTUALLY you will get WD if you use that often so I'd either cut down or if you are ok with getting addicted fine but be aware that sooner or later WD will set in if you go too long without.

The reason this is happening to me is because I have been binging on it for a long time (though never using it daily like you) as pbuilder explained, while you are brand new to the drug.

 

[belfort]

9 hours?! Jesus christ

I've been using like an ounce a day for almost two years and I can easily go 24 hours before any sort of real discomfort sets in. I wouldn't be surprised if your "withdrawal" after nine hours is completely mental. It's amazing how one can feel like they are withdrawaling if only they expect to be in withdrawal

U might be right but many redditors claim they needed to dose kratom every 5 hours or withdrawals would settle in

 

[Mycophile]

I get withdrawals after 9 hours without it, so I just never run out...I can't help with that one, Mycophile. I still get good effects with 7 grams even though I use about an ounce a day.

That doesn't make sense to me that you can get good effects from 7 grams if you use an ounce a day like I did.

With taking that much for me usually I wouldn't get high on much less than 10 grams, maybe a LITTLE high on 9 grams.

Do you mean you still get HIGH off 7 grams??

All that would do for me would wake me up a little and reduce any WD if I was having it, possibly give mild pain relief but that isn't the reason I take it.

 

[Mycophile]

Like with any other opiate, once you have had a solid physical addiction to it in the past, withdrawals come on sooner and easier, until you get them after only a single day of use. You can try things like memantine, agmatine, or other potentiaters. Other then that, take as long of a break as possible, and then use no more then once a week, and reduce your dose. Only dose once in a day, so wait until later in the day so you can end the day still relatively high. That is your best chance at avoiding withdrawal, otherwise it is inevitable.

Where can you get memantine and agmatine??

Can you buy them OTC or order them online??

What kind of drugs are they exactly?

So you mean maybe I could take a MUCH lower dose than what would normally get me high and add these potentiators and get high??

And that would be great and maybe I could even dose twice a day if the amount equalled one of my normal doses.

Breakwise---I already took a 90 day break and it barely effected my tolerance at all...maybe just the tiniest at most, and returned my WD threshold EXACTLY where it had been 3 months earlier without missing a beat.

If I want THAT long with no change do you think ANY amount of time off....6 months, 9 months...fuck, A YEAR??! would really do anything to reduce my tolerance??

See...the other question is is there any possible way to take something else to increase the DURATION of my Kratom experiences??

I mean they last 4 hours but what if there was something out there I could take to make the Kratom last 6-8 hours??

I SERIOUSLY doubt it right??

 

[Mycophile]

^^^

TTT for any answers to these questions.

 

[Slow_Mobius]

I think everyone is just different when it comes to drugs man. But pbuilder is prob right when he says an opioid just won't be the same once you've had a solid physical dependency. Do you take any other drugs?

 

[Mycophile]

I think everyone is just different when it comes to drugs man. But pbuilder is prob right when he says an opioid just won't be the same once you've had a solid physical dependency. Do you take any other drugs?

These days not many.

Phenibut and sometimes Dexedrine and of course I like to drink sometimes but that's about it these days.

Of course I've done plenty of other stuff but at the moment for various reasons, either because I can't find some of the drugs I used to use, or because I don't want to use too many substances or other reasons I don't need to list etc....those are the main ones.

I think he is right also, but I still want to know more about Agematine and Memantine, whether they can be bought OTC/online and if they can make a much lower dosage feel like a higher dose, and if anything increases the duration of Kratom or if MAYBE more time off might change things.

I mean really I just like Kratom and the opioid + stimulant combo and want something else like that but what else is there that isn't super addictive??

I like Oxycodone a lot but i'm lucky I don't have access cause I'm sure it would ruin my life if I let it, I LOVE shrooms, favorite drug ever but I can't ever find them etc.

There's also a lot of drugs I won't try either because they mix bad with the SSRI I'm on (Lexapro), because they are too dangerous or too addictive, or because too little is known about them and I'm not totally comfortable ordering RCs yet.

I've just been really digging Kratom and don't want it to come to the end of my use, but it kind of has to be something I barely ever use anymore probably.

I'm sure I'll sneak doses in here and there and see what I can get away with and sometimes pay for it but it's not going to be something I can binge on anymore that's for sure.

I like Phenibut a fair amount too so I can use that, but not nearly so much as I like Kratom.

There's lots of RCs and weird drugs people here try that I'm just not sure I feel comfortable with yet as so little is known about them and I'm on an SSRI.

I have A LOT of curiosity about MXE in particular, but again, all I have to relate me to it is hearing strangers on the internet talk about it.

I've never actually MET anyone who's used it, and that kind of distance from a drug, especially an a RC, is hard for me to psychologically break through at first if that makes any sense.

 

[Slow_Mobius]

Myco have you tried kava? I'm not a big fan of stims myself, but I really enjoy dexedrine with a benzo. I haven't tried dex with kava, but on its own I find a strong brew of kava way more pleasant than any benzo I've tried. I actually have access to both, but just haven't gotten around to doing it (usually save the dex for when I need to get shit done).

I would say tramadol would be an opioid worth trying, but it can cause seizures when taken with an ssri. I was recently prescribed lyrica, and it has a really strong synergistic effect with the kratom. Even a low dose of 50mg seems to about double the potency IME.

 

[Bagseed]

May I ask how often/how much you were using?

I've been using kratom daily for about a week now to control chronic pain. I haven't felt any WDs within the 15 hours or so that I typically go between uses, but I'm only using less than 10g spread accross the evening/night

longest period I have used it daily was three months. I'm not sure about the amounts, since I don't weigh it, but about 2-5 teaspoons a day. I doubt that you will feel any WD symptoms after only a week.

Rebound which consists of what, tiredness and anxiety?

basically yes. but I have anxiety problems anyway, so I am used to deal with that shit

 

[Mycophile]

Myco have you tried kava? I'm not a big fan of stims myself, but I really enjoy dexedrine with a benzo. I haven't tried dex with kava, but on its own I find a strong brew of kava way more pleasant than any benzo I've tried. I actually have access to both, but just haven't gotten around to doing it (usually save the dex for when I need to get shit done).

I would say tramadol would be an opioid worth trying, but it can cause seizures when taken with an ssri. I was recently prescribed lyrica, and it has a really strong synergistic effect with the kratom. Even a low dose of 50mg seems to about double the potency IME.

I've tried several types of Kava but it never really does much for me.

The only time it's good IMO is if I'm on other drugs already.

Like I buy this Kava tincture at a health food store near me and by itself it does barely anything but I've noticed that if I'm on other drugs like Kratom or Oxy, or Phenibut, Dex, etc or combinations of them that for some reason THEN it really feels nice but seems to only have an effect that lasts 15 mins at most.

People have said that you need to really make sure you find the Best REAL pure Kava and I have a feeling I've never tried the best Kava out there so at some point I will try to find a good vendor for it and get some and try it.

I've never tried Tramadol but if it can cause seizures with an SSRI then I probably shouldn't but the way you said it's "worth trying" makes it sound like you aren't sure how strong the actual likelihood of seizures when mixed with an SSRI is??

I'll probably avoid it but I've found there's quite a few drug combos that people say never to do that haven't had a bad effect on me.

For example, Dexedrine is a serotonin releaser so it's advised people either avoid mixing it with an SSRI or at least be careful but I've done the combo probably 150 times or more in my life with no issues.

I've also never tried Lyrica but sounds worth it.

I've heard people say that Tianeptine is a nice mild Opioid so I have some interest in that as well.

 

[EnlightenedOne1]

I haven't frequented this thread albeit I want to let everyone know that I went on a 3.5 month binge of 60grams a day of plain leaf and some extract at haphazard times and I've been clean for months now via cold turkey. I'm super prone to withdrawals and no lie, it was maybe 72 hours of discomfort... Just a glimmer of hope for people with addictive personalities who are slaves to this expensive habit.