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[Slow_Mobius]

I think after binging for a few days you'll have a wicked hangover but Idk if you can have full blown withdrawals after that short of a time period

 

[Mycophile]

I think after binging for a few days you'll have a wicked hangover but Idk if you can have full blown withdrawals after that short of a time period

I already am on my 2nd (and last) day of tapering so it's too late but I'm not dosing any more beyond this point.

I don't think you know much about Kratom no offense since you've never taken it before right??

It's kind of annoying when people give advice on a drug they've never taken.

You can call it a hangover if you want and no they aren't "full blown withdrawals" they are mild withdrawals in the scope of things but still withdrawal nonetheless, just not all THAT bad.

The question is whether or not the first day without ends up being less uncomfortable because I tapered for two days, more uncomfortable or equally uncomfortable.

It seems like a question which only people who have tapered off of Kratom can know.

 

[Mycophile]

Does anyone else know if I made my withdrawals worse by tapering for 2 days??

Will tomorrow (my first day without for 4 days...I took large doses Thurs and Fri and small doses yesterday and today) feel worse than my first day without would have had I not tapered since I've now used it more days in a row than I would have otherwise??

 

[Slow_Mobius]

I already am on my 2nd (and last) day of tapering so it's too late but I'm not dosing any more beyond this point.

I don't think you know much about Kratom no offense since you've never taken it before right??

It's kind of annoying when people give advice on a drug they've never taken.

You can call it a hangover if you want and no they aren't "full blown withdrawals" they are mild withdrawals in the scope of things but still withdrawal nonetheless, just not all THAT bad.

The question is whether or not the first day without ends up being less uncomfortable because I tapered for two days, more uncomfortable or equally uncomfortable.

It seems like a question which only people who have tapered off of Kratom can know.

Hence my statement "Unless kratom is vastly different from other drug dependencies". Im sure you feel like crap after that kind of a binge, but I'm speculating that tapering after only a few days would only be doing yourself a disservice

 

[Mycophile]

Hence my statement "Unless kratom is vastly different from other drug dependencies". Im sure you feel like crap after that kind of a binge, but I'm speculating that tapering after only a few days would only be doing yourself a disservice

I'm thinking you might be right but I'm not sure so I guess I will find out tomorrow.

Someone else who also has drug experience recommended this but I don't know, I mean it's possible that the body could "ease itself" into being on none by adapting through less for a couple days and I've never done this before and now it seems maybe it just would have been wiser not to have tapered.

If I don't actually feel LESS uncomfortable tomorrow then I have on other days right after dosing (not even equally uncomfortable) then I am not going to do this again.

The only reason otherwise to do it would maybe be if I had important things to do on the days right after dosing so wanted those days to be less uncomfortable.

But now I am thinking it was probably stupid.

Either way they won't be THAT bad, but I believed I was making that first day without EASIER by doing this and now I don't think so.

It probably won't be MUCH worse either I think, but probably not any better.

I probably should have just gone cold turkey but we'll find out tomorrow.

 

[Mycophile]

Does anyone else who uses Kratom have an opinion on this??

If you AREN'T SERIOUSLY dependent on Kratom, and just having mild WDs, does two days of tapering make that first day without better, worse, or is it about the same??

 

[belfort]

I think after binging for a few days you'll have a wicked hangover but Idk if you can have full blown withdrawals after that short of a time period

He's going through withdrawals every time he stops using..he goes through 2 days of tiredness so his body I'd dependent on kratom to a point.. A step off dose could be very useful here to minimize the withdrawals or tiredness..

 

[belfort]

Does anyone else who uses Kratom have an opinion on this??

If you AREN'T SERIOUSLY dependent on Kratom, and just having mild WDs, does two days of tapering make that first day without better, worse, or is it about the same??

Dude just don't overthink this..try this taper method out, see how it works and if it isn't easier then go back to your old way of using..no one call tell you the best way for you to get off

 

[Slow_Mobius]

He's going through withdrawals every time he stops using..he goes through 2 days of tiredness so his body I'd dependent on kratom to a point.. A step off dose could be very useful here to minimize the withdrawals or tiredness..

When you ask people's advice on an online forum, you can't expect to get advice from people who have been in your exact situation, because only you are in your exact situation with your individual body's chemistry. You can expect to get a conglomeration of speculation from from different people.

A large part of a hangover is acute withdrawal, and that is exactly what it sounds like he's going through. In his other posts, he said that he pushes through his withdrawal symptoms before using again, and this time, he said he binged for a few days. His 2 days of tiredness is really not hard to believe when he's dosing heavily on the days that he does and consistently redosing when he feels better. It's obviously just a case of acute withdrawal that will get better with abstinence. Maybe a little longer than 2 days this time.

But for all you know I'm a psychopathic crackhead living out of my mom's basement, so don't bother listening to anything I say if you don't want to.

 

[Snake_Eyes]

Does anyone else who uses Kratom have an opinion on this??

If you AREN'T SERIOUSLY dependent on Kratom, and just having mild WDs, does two days of tapering make that first day without better, worse, or is it about the same??

I highly doubt 2 days made any difference at all. If you are at the point where you are feeling w/d you have two options.

1) cold turkey- shorter but more intense withdrawal
2) taper- longer but less intense withdrawal

Having done a c/t withdrawal I can say the next time I do it I will taper. Like what Belfort said you're way overthinking this, you dealing with a plant that has weak opioid activity not something like a benzo or even pregabalin/gabapentin where attempting a c/t or even a taper that's too fast can be dangerous and have the possibility to screw you up for a long time.

 

[belfort]

I highly doubt 2 days made any difference at all. If you are at the point where you are feeling w/d you have two options.

1) cold turkey- shorter but more intense withdrawal
2) taper- longer but less intense withdrawal

Having done a c/t withdrawal I can say the next time I do it I will taper. Like what Belfort said you're way overthinking this, you dealing with a plant that has weak opioid activity not something like a benzo or even pregabalin/gabapentin where attempting a c/t or even a taper that's too fast can be dangerous and have the possibility to screw you up for a long time.

Yep, he will face withdrawals either way..tapering will make the suffering less intense but a little longer lasting..cold turkey means more intense withdrawal but shorter duration..certain drugs should be tapered imo..

 

[closeau]

See, im so lucky i didnt like Kratom. I used it over 2 weeks in dec and i never felt anything off of it cause my opiate tolerance i guess but remember feeling like shit when i stopped. Fuck Kratom. I will always say taper with anything. Cold turkey just bites. Im way off topic of this thread im just saying fir me, Kratom has very low benefit and is addictive. Thats a crappy combo if you ask me. I know some people swear by it but it aint for me. Shit made me naucous. Anyway, good luck.

 

[PotatoMan]

sup guys, just got 2 ounces of bali kratom powder in the mail and this time i'm exploring a new method of consumption.

my dose is 5grams. i've tried toss & washing this and absolutely hate the taste of it as it can make me gag or just feel generally unpleasant.
i've done kratom + OJ which was the most effective for me (15mins onset with strong euphoria) and it masked the taste well to a point. i was just guzzling 21oz cups so it was still clumpy at the end. like toss&washed and spat back into the cup typa texture.
i tried the kratom + milk which was the most effective at masking the taste, but i was never able to down the sludge at the end and it would be slightly stronger than a codeine buzz .

this time i'm going to try the tea and if all else fails, i'd either go back to kratom + OJ or capsule the dose.

my questions are : with kratom tea, can i just make it with 5grams?
i saw a recipe that included using 50grams (which i have) to make 1-2 very strong doses/ 4 medium strength doses. if i chose to make all this tea, would i be able to store the remainder in a fridge for future usage?

i'm the only one that does it so i won't have any use for the extra doses.

otherwise, do any of you know a very simple way to prepare the tea with 5grams and how does the tea's effects compare to toss&wash/kratom+OJ?

 

[Mycophile]

I highly doubt 2 days made any difference at all. If you are at the point where you are feeling w/d you have two options.

1) cold turkey- shorter but more intense withdrawal
2) taper- longer but less intense withdrawal

Having done a c/t withdrawal I can say the next time I do it I will taper. Like what Belfort said you're way overthinking this, you dealing with a plant that has weak opioid activity not something like a benzo or even pregabalin/gabapentin where attempting a c/t or even a taper that's too fast can be dangerous and have the possibility to screw you up for a long time.

Well it's already mostly over anyway.

I think it would have been wiser to have done cold turkey and gotten it over with faster but more uncomfortable, but either way it only took a couple days.

I just wonder if I'll EVER be able to enjoy Kratom again now because of how much I binged on it.

I know people had warned me not to at one point but honestly it never fully registered to me beyond not taking it too many days a week I never realized I needed to keep the dosage down or I would have but that went in one ear and out the other.

But 90 days without didn't lower my tolerance much and everytime I use I get WD for 2 days so that's not worth it unless I can find a way to use less and not get so much WD.

It's true that I always dose TWICE HEAVILY in one day before I feel shitty so MAYBE if I try dosing ONLY ONCE a little lighter I will see less discomfort the next day and I suspect I'll eventually try it.

Usually less use of the drug means less negative after effects, but I tend to like to be on the stuff all day and it only lasts 4 hours hence the problem...but at this point it's forcing me to draw a line in the sand.

Maybe in a few months time I MAY be able to get away with a single dose a week or so and not face so much discomfort the next day that it won't be worth it.

I can only hope because IMO it's practically the perfect drug in terms of it's effects and how they work on my own personal psychology/bicochemistry.

If I could usually feel the way I feel on Kratom my anxiety and depression would be reduced by about 75%.

I think it's the single best "medication" for my issues I've ever experienced if only it weren't for the side effects of WD and not being able to sleep on it, plus some constipation and skin irritation.

I swear to god, if somehow someone could tamper with Kratom in the lab and reduce some of the issues, maybe add something to it to made it more user friendly and something that could be used more frequently with less backlash....or if only I'd recognized eariler how to use it properly...it could be damn near the perfect drug for people with anxiety and depression like me.

But no drug is perfect and once again...I found out its limitations.

It has become one of my favorite drugs and it REALLY sucks.

If anyone has more advice on how I could ever return to using it WITHOUT facing WD everytime I ingest it it would be GREATLY appreciated.

I never had any true understanding that it could get to that point despite any possible warnings I may have been given they weren't fully heard.

 

[4meSM]

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Ehh try it if you want to but IME kratom tea isn't a good option. It takes longer to make, tastes pretty bad and doesn't hit as strong (unless you don't filter it).

Kratom powder + juice or water is the best way. Just mix it very well in a small amout of liquid and drink it in one shot, it's better to take a few small shots rather than 1 big one IMO. Eat a small piece of chocolate or something sweet afterwards to mask the taste

 

[alexvolume2]

I've been taking kratom for a while now and I've found the best method to be dissolving it in half a mug of hot, not boiling, water. In cold water it doesn't work unless you take a half full bottle of water, add your kratom, and shake.

I don't mind the taste. I swear these are the 2 best methods. Try it!

 

[Mycophile]

So no Kratom veterans who read my last post have ever gotten themselves into a situation where even ONE day of Kratom reduce produced 2 days of WD and had to figure out how to reduce the WD so they could enjoy the drug?

If not I guess it's because I took more than most...but Doldrugs I believe it was said he also used 14 grams a dose and didn't get WD.

At the very least, would others agree that my next-day-WD would probably be milder if I were to only take ONE 12-14 gram dose the previous day (over the course of 4 hours) as opposed to eating an ounce over the course of 8 hours??

I mean lower consumption has to mean less WD right??

No offense, but everyone in this thread is only talking about how to mask the taste of a drug I already find to taste pretty much ok.

It seems that all the Kratom veterans have stepped away from this thread for a while...

 

[pbuilder]

So no Kratom veterans who read my last post have ever gotten themselves into a situation where even ONE day of Kratom reduce produced 2 days of WD and had to figure out how to reduce the WD so they could enjoy the drug?

If not I guess it's because I took more than most...but Doldrugs I believe it was said he also used 14 grams a dose and didn't get WD.

At the very least, would others agree that my next-day-WD would probably be milder if I were to only take ONE 12-14 gram dose the previous day (over the course of 4 hours) as opposed to eating an ounce over the course of 8 hours??

I mean lower consumption has to mean less WD right??

No offense, but everyone in this thread is only talking about how to mask the taste of a drug I already find to taste pretty much ok.

It seems that all the Kratom veterans have stepped away from this thread for a while...

Like with any other opiate, once you have had a solid physical addiction to it in the past, withdrawals come on sooner and easier, until you get them after only a single day of use. You can try things like memantine, agmatine, or other potentiaters. Other then that, take as long of a break as possible, and then use no more then once a week, and reduce your dose. Only dose once in a day, so wait until later in the day so you can end the day still relatively high. That is your best chance at avoiding withdrawal, otherwise it is inevitable.

 

[alexvolume2]

I get withdrawals after 9 hours without it, so I just never run out...I can't help with that one, Mycophile. I still get good effects with 7 grams even though I use about an ounce a day.

 

[Ludeachrist]

Maeng Da Kratom is the way to go, powder form. Once Albert Einstein had a horrible tooth ache, he took 60 mg of Oxycodone and it didn't do crap to stop the pain. He said bollocks to it all and took 10 grams of Maeng Da Kratom within 30 minutes he was sleeping like a baby with no pain. It's an effective pain reliever and low if zero respiratory depression unlike typical opiates.