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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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Also, does anyone know if Kratom increases blood pressure?

I read an abstract the other day on WebMd that said it can increase blood pressure, agitation, and can cause hypertension and I DEFINITELY get agitated on Kratom but that happens on all opiates.

Actually the other day I was on Kratom, Phenibut and a LOT of caffeine and towards the end of the night I was getting REALLY tense and agitated.

I know that a large portion of it was the Phenibut and not the Kratom but I know both played a part and the caffeine probably did too.

I'd like to know if anyone else knows more about any possible links between Kratom, (and to a lesser extent Phenibut) and high blood pressure and hypertension and if it causes those things are they just temporary or can it cause long term problems in that area??


But really, most of all now the more pressing issue is the insomnia cause I know I'll continue to dose and I just want to be able to sleep better when I take it.
 
In the 2 years I was taking Kratom (and only recently stopped 2 weeks ago, with very serious withdrawals, a topic for another conversation), I never had trouble sleeping. But I do notice a vast difference between the green/white strains and the reds. I would never, ever take a green/white before bed. I found them pretty energetic and only used them in the morning before noon.

If you're not sleeping it may be because you're taking a green or white strain in the afternoon. The red strains are more sedating and I haven't heard of this being a problem. Of course, like all drugs, Kratom effects everyone differently and all of it may just keep you up. I highly suspect that your caffeine intake has a synergy with the Kratom- BOTH PLANTS ARE CLOSELY RELATED. Cut down on the caffeine or take only the red veins and see if that helps.
 
CfZrx said:
yes it has increased my bp when ive dosed before going to see my doctor. I slept like a dream last night :) Classic Bali did the trick!
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How high was your blood pressure on Kratom?

Was it an unsafe level?

just trying to figure out if the bp increase from Kratom is dangerous.

I'm doubting it is, but just making sure.
 
150/84 is not that bad. Mine is 140/90. The doctor said once that 140 is okay but 90 could be lower.
 
Took 3 days off this past weekend and the only thing I noticed was I felt like I was crawling out of my skin....but I also thought that may have had more to do with the fact I was drinking in the evenings and took aderrall. I figures it was my body's way of telling me my equolibrium was off....didn't notice any other side effects

Does Benadryl potientiate this like it does with classic opioids? Ad for those who do take it with Benadryl, does it make you groogy? 25mg makes me super groggy, so I'm hesitant to use it with my daily dose of kratom
 
well about month ago i bought some kratom..2 ounces of Red Bali and Red Vein Thai .. started off taking a little less than 2 teaspoons so around 4 grams..i have a pretty hardcore opiate addiction background but been clean for 6-7 years from them..didnt know what to expect from kratom as some compared it to caffeine and others said it was like heroin..my first dose within 30 minutes i felt a mood lift and that opiate contentment wash over me..i didnt really get much euphoria but wasnt looking for any..along with the mood boost i noticed my body felt more charged up, felt like i had taken some type of welbutrin or ephedrine or something similar...this stimulation part was only mild but the energy i felt was pretty amazing...it was a clean energy, not the jittery type i get from ephedrine or caffeine and it seems to last for hours and has no crash like caffeine..also, whats good about kratom is it didnt seem to raise blood pressure like most stimulants do..i just remember feeling nice, calm yet strangely activated, but very content..

the first day i took it i just sat back and did nothing but the few times after that i tried working out and doing yard work while on kratom..must say kratom is wonderful aid when it comes to doing physical activity especially boring tasks like yard work or regular stuff at your job..it makes boring things not boring at all and very tolerable..

also noticed the strong appetite suppressant effects which surprised me..i find after taking kratom i dont want to eat and have to force myself to gobble something down..this is a big plus especially when i think back to how opiods made me crave sweets like candy bars etc etc..

on the downside, with kratom i sweat buckets...i do take caffeine and im sure it has something to do with it but damn, i can be doing something leisurely in the yard and start sweating on kratom..i think this is a very annoying side effect, one which im not sure what to do about but just deal with it..

another downside is insomnia...twice i have tried taking Bali Red strain after 5-6 pm and both times it kept me up all night long!Bali Red is supposed to be sedating but it gae me bad insomnia so i can only imagine what the more stimulating strains would be like..again this side effect seems like just something i will have to deal with..

ive read this entire thread and it seems most kratom users tend to end up becoming addicted and some dont mind as it still helps them get through work etc etc..i dont plan on going down the addiction route so i pla on using it every few days..

there doesnt seem to be any kratom horror stories on here like u see with meth and heroin..kratom withdrawals seem shitty but nothing that will make you quit your job or anything..

thing is though, it does seem kratom could be a pricey little habit pretty quick if you dont try to maintain some sort of strict regimen with it..many on here seem to gobble down 10 grams at a whack and multiple times a day..not a cheap habit to get into from the looks of it..

is there anyone on here that has been taking it daily for years and it still works for them in terms of mood lift and energy boost?
 
CfZrx said:
Hi Belfort I've been steady at 5 tsp daily for a long time. It still works, but I wish I could just quit.
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hmm why?if it still helps you, why do you want to quit?because of the cost?like i said in my post, the cost is what i could see preventing some people from diving head first into a kratom habit..
 
^ yes, the cost mostly. But I don't like the dark skin under my eyes either, you can still have heroin addict type symptoms. Today I feel feverish and my body hurts, but I dont know why!!? I've had a lot of kratom, plus my usualdaytime 30mg mscontin. Maybe it's a reaction to taking flexeril this last week. Damn flex is sleeepy!
 
CfZrx said:
^ yes, the cost mostly. But I don't like the dark skin under my eyes either, you can still have heroin addict type symptoms. Today I feel feverish and my body hurts, but I dont know why!!? I've had a lot of kratom, plus my usualdaytime 30mg mscontin. Maybe it's a reaction to taking flexeril this last week. Damn flex is sleeepy!
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well how many drugs are you taking!?!?i had black circles under my eyes way before kratom lol..how much kratom are you using daily?ya gotta weigh the good versus the bad..
 
Energy!! For sure!

I take it halfway through work (I work 3rd shift) with coffee and I am one productive mofo those last 4 hours!!!
 
Hey swiys, swim wanted to make a post on here because of swims experience and newly found love for kratom. Swim had tried kratom before and it really never effected him. Swim has been clean from all opiates for almost 3 months now, however, swim has had a really stressful couple of days and hasn't slept in awhile. So swim picked up some of this new liquid extract (by opms) and gave it a go. Swim is blown off his feet by this shit. For anyone who doubts that kratom can deliver, swim is here to tell you he was too and now is not. It has been 3 months since swim used anything with an opiate like effect, but i kid you not this stuff is as strong as hydro and has a real nice feel to it. It's a great treat and if you are going through wds something that's completely worth picking up. Thanks swiys! Swim just had to make a post about this.
 
Ever since I started with kratom, about a month and a half ago, I have had no interest in drinking alcohol, have been disgusted by the taste of wine (whereas I was previously able to slam large amounts of it quickly with no problem), and haven't really enjoyed the buzzes I've gotten from vodka/rum near as much as I once did.
Has anyone else had something similar happen once they started with kratom? I'm kind of thinking it might be a good thing, in the long run, but it's still weird.
 
OlympicSwimmer said:
Hey swiys, swim wanted to make a post on here because of swims experience and newly found love for kratom. Swim had tried kratom before and it really never effected him. Swim has been clean from all opiates for almost 3 months now, however, swim has had a really stressful couple of days and hasn't slept in awhile. So swim picked up some of this new liquid extract (by opms) and gave it a go. Swim is blown off his feet by this shit. For anyone who doubts that kratom can deliver, swim is here to tell you he was too and now is not. It has been 3 months since swim used anything with an opiate like effect, but i kid you not this stuff is as strong as hydro and has a real nice feel to it. It's a great treat and if you are going through wds something that's completely worth picking up. Thanks swiys! Swim just had to make a post about this.
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We don't use swim here.

Just say that it's you, afterall, swim doesn't really protect anyone from anything anyway.
 
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