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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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mike.vick said:
^^^ yees megacolon is horrific take ducolax instead of paying $800 for e.r. docs to spoon and finger poop from your colon.
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Wait...you are saying I AM going to die from going less frequently even though I have still been taking dumps??

You are kidding right??


Just cause I've got SOME constipation but went yesterday and the day before you think I'm going to get Megacolon???

Can you get ducolax over the counter??


Wouldn't it be ok if I just abstained from Kratom for a week and took a lot of fiber supplements and regular stool softeners???

I would think that my usage of 3 days a week has been spread out enough that I'd get the rest of my shit out eventually that way wouldn't you??

When I didn't shit for 3 days on Percoset after a surgery I still ended up ok by taking regular stool softeners and that was more extreme/a longer period without going than anything that's happend to me lately on Kratom so if I was ok then I'd assume I'd be ok now.....
 
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<quote>Mycophile Wouldn't it be ok if I just abstained from Kratom for a week and took a lot of fiber supplements and regular stool softeners???

ol, yeah ull be fine if u lay off the kratom for a bit. Its weird, kratom always made me more regular than usual with huge fibrous solid shits. Also ive not shit for 5-6days before in county jail and thats just from not being used to the food (the only reasoning i could come up with anyway. happened every time but hat was by far the longest, I was still fine though so three days is nothing.)
 
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^^mycophile

Most people with megacolon wish they were dead as opposed to dying, but yes ducolax is OTC for 3-4$ also miralax works too but that one is like $8
 
mike.vick said:
^^mycophile

Most people with megacolon wish they were dead as opposed to dying, but yes ducolax is OTC for 3-4$ also miralax works too but that one is like $8
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Right, but as one of the other posters said, I'll be fine if I don't take Kratom for several days (I'm planning on six) and taking regular stool softeners and fiber supplements.

No offense, but you shouldn't start warning people about the WORST possible dangers of a situation first when in actuality they aren't all that likely.

I'm a hypochondriac so doing that with me gets me overly worried but I was pretty sure you were over estimating the dangers so I didn't freak out TOO much.

Unless I am missing something nobody gets megacolon from not taking a shit for 2 days or maybe only taking 4 shits in a week when you are used to 7 or 8 which is basically my situation.

If I said I hadn't taken a dump for 2 weeks THEN you might tell me about the megacolon shit, but not because I said I am justing not able to go on a couple days a week.


If someone said that they drank too much the night before and had a bad hangover would you tell them that some people have vomitted in their sleep from drinking too much and swallowed it and died??

If someone told you that they took 4 sleeping pills when the dose is to take 2 that people have died from taking 20??

This might be a harm reduction site but it should also be a "Freak out reduction site" in the sense that there is no use in getting someone overly worried about a minor problem.


If someone says they are concerned about constipation from a drug just tell them to stop using the drug for a week and use some stool softners and fiber supplements and that THEN if they aren't able to shit for like 5 or 6 days STRAIGHT after stopping the drug that they should see a doctor.

You basically described the worst possible scenario for something probably not that bad and suggested a drug that is probably not more necessary to use than regular stool softners.

I mean are those ducolax or mirolax things even THAT much stronger or better than name brand stool softeners?
 
Ducolox and miralax are name brands but the generics are just about as good. And Megacolon was fresh in my mind from a horror sttory my A&P II teacher gave us last semester.
 
For those of you who have been addicted to Kratom before: How many days in a row do you think I need to go without Kratom in order to know for sure that I am not addicted (or if I am how badly) to see if I get any withdrawal symptoms??

I was planning on going 6 days in a row without Kratom which is longer than I have for a little while.

If I don't get any withdrawal symptoms (or only minor ones) within 6 days without do you think that is proof that I'm not addicted??
 
^^^ I think a couple of days, within 24-48hrs if you have not withdrawn then you are not physically chemically-dependent
 
Precisely what mike.vick said. If you do not get acute withdrawal symptoms within 48 hours, you are not going to have any. By symptoms I mean of the physical variety of course.
 
mike.vick said:
^^ how much grams per tsp? and do you just take it straight up with a tsp? that seems like the cinnamon challenge.

I do sugar miked with kratom in a folded paper BC-powder style w/ juice
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IDK, probably 3.5 grams in a tsp of kratom. I toss with a small amount h2o :) I got tired of counting my tsps during this taper, and am maintaining at about 5 tsp daily.
 
Cf- Yep. Weed and Kratom potentiate the shit out of each other. It overwhelms me completely so I can't do it. For others it's probably really awesome. LOL. I'm so happy to hear you're trying to keep your Kratom intake down. Doesn't seem like hearing something like that from a complete stranger on the internet should actually make me happy, but it totally does.

Myco- You had me actually laughing out loud! YES, people shouldn't immediately jump to the worst case scenario and tell you you're going to constipate yourself to death. You're not. It takes quite a bit for that to happen. It's possible, but not likely. As far as your two questions go: 1- I start to feel Kratom withdrawals within 24 hours, usually 12-18. If you haven't felt any in 48 hours, you absolutely are not going to and congrats, you're not physically dependent. Conventional wisdom is to take 3 days off between Kratom doses to keep from being addicted. If you use it for more than 3 days in a row, you run the risk of dependence. I have many of those T-shirts. The day you used the H you shot your tolerance to Kratom into oblivion. It will come back down in time but that is certainly what did it. Go a week without any opiates/opioids at all and A)- your tolerance will begin to lower and B)- you'll have been clean for a week which in of itself is pretty awesome. Maybe you'll want to stay there...

I'm not qualified in any sense to give medical advise, so I won't, but my experience with high doses of Kratom is that I'll go 4-5 days without a bowel movement. I went a week once, I think, and the experience was painful beyond words. The results were mighty impressive and probably photo worthy, but I'd like to never go through that again. I don't know how long is too long before a fecal impaction is a real danger but I believe you'll know it when it happens. Kind of one of those "if you have to ask it's not a problem" things. I take Miralax (brand name for P.E.G) for constipation and it takes a while to actually work (like a day and a half), but it seems very "normal". If I get really stopped up, I'll take Senna, which is a bowel irritant. It works faster, and is a force to be reckoned with, but it gives severe cramping. I was so cramped and in pain once that I mistook it for a fecal impaction, which it wasn't. Just the drug doing its thing.

Hope that helps.
 
I'm considering purchasing some new strains of Kratom, both plain leaf and extracts, but at this point I'm wondering HOW different any of the veins I haven't tried would be from the ones I have??

Regarding just plain leaf and not extracts, the only ones I have a lot of experience with are Super Green Malay, Bali and Maeng Da (white vein).

Now, of course we all know that the names are pretty much irrelevant unless talking about one vendor because each vendor's is different and we can't name sources.


So I guess to keep it simple I will simply ask it this way: how many veins do each of you know of that you believe are SIGNIFICANTLY different from eachother??
For me, so far I only know of 3 that are different enough that in a blind taste test I'd probably know the difference from their effects alone.

Do you guys actually feel that there are a whole lot of veins that all feel SIGNIFICANTLY different for you??

And in particular, veins of the same COLOR??

Like, do most of you feel that you can tell the difference between one green vein and another, or one red vein and another??

So far really the only 2 veins with a SERIOUS difference in feel that I know of are bali and Green Malay.

Would you guys liken the differences between Kratom veins to the difference between types of weed??

Because with weed I can TOTALLY tell the difference between types but with Kratom I can't so much.


I mean, regardless of vendor, do any of you see a point in buying red vein bali over red vein Sumatra or red vein Borneo or Super Green Malay over Green Vein Thai, or do most of you think they are mostly the same??

I kind of want to become more of a Kratom connoisseur but I'm not sure it's worth trying new veins and ending up dissapointed.

But if they WEREN'T all different then how would these vendors make money selling so many different kinds??
 
Oh and this is a different question, but is there anyone here who prefers to use whole leaf Kratom over Kratom powder and if so, why??

I've only used powders so far, but I'd imagine toss and wash to be VERY hard with whole leaf (the only method I use).

Do people prefer whole leaf over powder cause it's better for tea or something?

Or is there another reason?

Do most of you prefer Kratom powder or whole leaf Kratom?
 
Has anyone here ever figured out a solution to the insomnia caused by Kratom??

i don't understand how some people have no trouble sleeping on it at all.

Of course I do drink MASSIVE amounts of coffee...like sometimes up to 8 cups a day BUT...when I don't dose kratom I can still fall asleep even if it is a bit later than I want but on Kratom I don't sleep A WINK until it has been like AT LEAST 5 hours since it wore off (for me I think Kratom lasts about 4 hours so that means not dosing for about 10 hours before bed...).

It's the biggest problem Kratom causes me.

Maybe those who don't drink coffee or dont drink MUCH coffee have less issue because I think Kratom and coffee either syngergize or potentiate eachother, maybe just syngergize...but STILL...I don't know.

Are there any people here who DON'T drink coffee or at least don't have more than like 2 cups a day that STILL can't sleep on Kratom??

Are there some people here who DO drink a lot of coffee (4 or more cups a day) with their Kratom and still CAN sleep on it??

I DID find that the one time I took a Kratom EXRACT...UEI to be exact, that I had ZERO trouble sleeping on it even with all the coffee I drink...but who knows what is in extracts that makes them different from plain leaf. It felt more like Oxycodone or Hydrocodone which I have no trouble sleeping on so maybe that is why and maybe it lacks the stimulant in plain leaf.

Still, extracts are stronger and I'm not going to take them regularly like I take plain leaf so that isn't much of a solution except for the rare times I take extracts.

I wish there was some "magic" strain I could take and sleep on, but I'd assume that even if there are some that are SOMEWHAT easier to sleep on I'd STILL have to SIGNIFICANTLY reduce my caffeine intake for it to even be a possibility I could fall asleep somewhat earlier on it.
 
Seriously has ANYONE figured out a good solution to the Kratom insomnia??

Has anyone even tried?

Or do people just figure the only answer is not to dose too close to bedtime?


Benadryl and melatonin won't put me out when I'm on it and I don't feel like trying more heavy duty shit like Ambien.

Alcohol is the only thing that puts me out after dosing too close to bedtime but obviously that doesn't give a good night's sleep.
 
CfZrx said:
i take a half tsp b4 bed and get no insomnia, just enough opioid to sleep. one more half tsp when i wake up in the middle of the night.
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See you are one of the unusual people who it doesn't bother and I can't figure out why.

Do you not drink any coffee?

That could be PART of the reason, but even if I didn't drink coffee I don't think I could sleep taking Kratom before bed.

I need a solution from the people who DO get insomnia from Kratom.

It still makes Zero sense to me that some people like me can't sleep a wink on it while others can sleep fine on it.

I can't abstain from caffeine long enough to find out if that is why, but at least I can find out if there are any heavy coffee drinkers who Can STILL sleep on Kratom, Kratom users who DON'T drink much coffee who can't.
 
I do get insomnia from k, but usually a half tsp wont do it. I have a decent tolerance as a chronic pain opiate user, but even for me there's no way I can sleep on 1.5 or 2 tsp. I take 100mg seroquel so that'll put down even an elephant on meth,lol.----I drink a lot of coffee. ok here i go to try to sleep :)
 
I dosed last night at 11:30pm and fell asleep around 2:00am using weed and diphenhydramine. This strain was Kalimantan gold but I can sleep on almost all of the red strains.

I used a higher dose of kratom at 11pm tonight along with hydroxyzine and by the way I'm feeling I'll probably be out within an hour.

As for my caffeine intake: I take my usual 200mg caffeine pill and kratom at 8am and I drink a 16oz coffee at 10am. I drink water the rest of the day. Strangely though last week I replaced the antihistamine with temazepam and had a hell of a time sleeping.
 
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