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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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Patton-45 said:
Hi. I have been taking Kratom for 2 years. Its a controlled habit lol. Once in the morning with breakfast and once in the evening. I love it while I work. I am euphoric, energetic and can concentrate easily. Its fun. and you are super productive. Its like a morning coffee. I love it and would not want it any other way!!
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Do you take it every single day?

Have you ever tried to go without and if so, did you go into withdrawal?

I love Kratom too and kind of wish I could USUALLY be on it (not ALWAYS, I'd like to be sober at least 2 days a week minimum) but I just don't want to be addicted.

Also, what kind of Kratom do you like best and do you find it doesn't keep you up at night?

Cause usually I can't fall asleep if I've taken Kratom in the past 5 hours or so.
 
I was using twice daily and have cut down to once daily....Been on it for a year

Have had
None today and am experiencing zero symptoms of anything....people that talk about withdrawal must be doing huge amounts of it
 
Peacephrog1972 said:
I was using twice daily and have cut down to once daily....Been on it for a year

Have had
None today and am experiencing zero symptoms of anything....people that talk about withdrawal must be doing huge amounts of it
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Do you use extracts or plain leaf or both?

I think it probably depends a lot on the person.

Also, if today is the ONLY day you haven't had Kratom it may not be long enough for you to go into withdrawal.

Kratom's half life seems to be about 7 hours give or take from my research so even a moderate user would probably have small amounts in their system for up to 48 hours so if you use twice daily you are going to probably have a significant amount in your bloodstream for close to 3 days even if you don't use.

If you go another two days and THEN you don't have withdrawal then that's impressive.
 
ANYTHING labeled not "for human consumption" is just veering away from the fact that the product is a overall grey area, that can be allowed for selling IF the intent of the product is not for recreational or personal use.
...of course it IS, but those few words allow loopholes in the system (Canada for me) just like any other headshop herb.
 
Here's what I was talking about - from the FDA's red list : http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cms_ia/importalert_1137.html

Basically anything without a history of use before 1994 is subject to seizure without physical examination. So at this point they don't even give a shit whether it's for human consumption or not if it's coming from any of the international vendors. The FDA is fucked. Clearly big pharma feels threatened by kratom.

Kratom is a botanical that qualifies as a dietary ingredient under section 201(ff)(1) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the Act) [21 U.S.C. 321(ff)(1)]. When marketed as a dietary ingredient, FDA also considers kratom to be a new dietary ingredient under section 413(d) of the Act [21 U.S.C. 350b(d)] because, to the best of the agency�s knowledge, there is no information demonstrating that this substance was marketed as a dietary ingredient in the United States before October 15, 1994.
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I am preparing to taper off my oxycodone, so bought a bunch of kratom samples from an online vendor who appeared to have some good reviews. I have been using the search feature here on BL in order to find best ways to consider taking the kratom, but am not having any luck. I have seen things like "make a tea, boil for 15 minutes"...what.. how much water, how much Kratom, etc. Does boiling/heating enhance the effects as I have also read of people just mixing a teaspoon in oj, which sounds a lot simpler to me. If anyone can direct me to a place that shows all the ways to try Kratom and the details for those involving making tea, it would be much appreciated.
 
The easiest, most effective way for me was just to heat up a cup of water, dump in the kratom, and drink up making sure to get ALL the plant material down your throat. Obviously it takes some getting used to.
 
Hey Shpongleton,
Thanks for the info.... so, I don' have to let it sit and steep since I am swallowing the leafs... it that the "toss and wash" method I have read about? I hope I don't puke, but willing to give it a try.
 
Toss n wash is you putting the plant powder into a cup and mixing it with water or something sweet till it turns to a muddy substance. Then you chug it.
After you chug it. .. CHASE the drink with something or else you greatly increase your chances of gagging it back out.

I found syrup mixed into it well. But I don't use that method.
I just fill my cup with a little water or orange juice (oj works best to mask it) put the Kratom in and Chug n' chase. Kinda like doing shots of liquor.

And most my Kratom was always maeng da, red vain, borneo white, or green malay. It was all micro busted so I had to MIX EXTREMELY WELL !!
 
Drew. said:
Toss n wash is you putting the plant powder into a cup and mixing it with water or something sweet till it turns to a muddy substance. Then you chug it.
After you chug it. .. CHASE the drink with something or else you greatly increase your chances of gagging it back out.

I found syrup mixed into it well. But I don't use that method.
I just fill my cup with a little water or orange juice (oj works best to mask it) put the Kratom in and Chug n' chase. Kinda like doing shots of liquor.

And most my Kratom was always maeng da, red vain, borneo white, or green malay. It was all micro busted so I had to MIX EXTREMELY WELL !!
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I thought that toss n wash was a reference for just putting some Kratom right in your mouth and washing it down with water??

That's what I do, just put some in a teaspoon, put it in my mouth and drink some water to wash it down.

I'm still not sure why so many people like to make tea, do they find the effects to be better that way?

Or is it cause some people just hate the taste of Kratom so much?

For me I don't think it tastes nasty at all, just basically like some kind of ground herb.

I prefer just to put it in my mouth and wash it down really fast.
 
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Thanks to both of you for the very helpful info. I have a question: have either of you used Kratom while still taking opiates, like oxy? For example, as I taper, if I get to a point where withdrawals are bugging me, can I use the K instead as part of the taper? Or will it make me sick?
 
Why Do So many people drink Kratom tea?

Does using boiling water enhance the effect of Kratom? What is the advantage of brewing tea vs mixing it with oj or just doing "toss and wash"?
 
I don't think boiling water enhances the effect, but I suppose it could make it easier for your body to absorb. Some say tea reduces nausea but for me it makes it worse.

Using oj or something acidic is said to make it easier for your body to absorb the alkaloids. The citric acid breaks down the plant cell walls so your body can digest it. However, I find it can increase the nausea and I get good effects without using anything acidic. Stomachs are already acidic.

And yes, toss and wash is usually where you hold a lil water in your mouth, dump some kratom, and then either swallow or take another sip of water and then swallow. I'm not sure if there's a name for when you mix it with water and chug it down.

Seems like kratom is so variable, you just gotta find the method that works best for you as an individual. There's no one right answer.
 
Thanks, Blueberry. You are right about Kratom being so variable... when I read through this Megathread, people have all sorts of experiences/reactions. I guess I just wanted to maximize the experience.
 
Hey. I guess I created my own method for my addiction! I thought this was the toss n wash. .. but hey guys when you're swallowing 8 grams of micro dusted Kratom, It's kinda hard to "toss n' wash". The dust gets into your throat and it doesn't mix appropriately.
I forgot to mention my doses are pretty high considering i was a morphine abuser.

Kratom honestly stops 90% of the morphine high for me. Probably because the active ingredient in kratom is stronger. Not sure if this has any hold on oxy.
 
Shpongleton said:
The easiest, most effective way for me was just to heat up a cup of water, dump in the kratom, and drink up making sure to get ALL the plant material down your throat. Obviously it takes some getting used to.
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I can't do it without orange juice now. Doing it with water is a one way trip to vomit town.
 
So I bought $30 worth of Kratom "Black tar" from a vendor. I took all of it. Man did I get ripped off. I have not done Opiates in over two years and I did not feel JACK SHIT from taking this black gunky waxy resin kratom like stuff.

Garbage.
 
Drew. said:
Hey. I guess I created my own method for my addiction! I thought this was the toss n wash. .. but hey guys when you're swallowing 8 grams of micro dusted Kratom, It's kinda hard to "toss n' wash". The dust gets into your throat and it doesn't mix appropriately.
I forgot to mention my doses are pretty high considering i was a morphine abuser.

Kratom honestly stops 90% of the morphine high for me. Probably because the active ingredient in kratom is stronger. Not sure if this has any hold on oxy.
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What I do is I basically pack each tea spoon into my bottom lip as if it was chewing tobacco and then wash it down with several sips of water.

I don't wash it down all at once, with the first sip I let some out from my bottom lip and then wash that down, then another little pinch and so on till it's all down, then pack another teaspoon.

However, you probably use more than me so that makes it harder.
 
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