Kratom The Kratom Megathread

[Drew.]

I'll be honest from my experiences... and for me due to previous opiate abuse I simply get near the same effects from any kind of kratom.. be it Bali, Borneo, or maeng..
people say the red vAin is more sedative.. but the people I've got answers from have never abused opiates, And have a higher chance of catching a nod or "sedative" effect.

For me they ALL give me a speedy, pick-me-up. Especially with caffeine!
I also find if my stomach is ok in the morning, mixing white and red vain, or maeng da. I was never a fan of green or "super green Malay".

But yesterday I decided to potentiate the Kratom with codeine (maybe 120mg we worth tops, through extract) , and WOW! I don't know if it was the caffeine in the extract or not but i felt FANTASTIC. For at least a glowing/push of 5 hours. I could not believe the effects!

 

[Mycophile]

I've asked this question before but I only got one answer so I wanted to just ask one more time and see what people think:

I was taking Kratom only once every four days and had decided I'd never take more than that because I am afraid of addiction.

However, recently I have been taking it 2 days in a row, just on the weekends, then abstaining for 5 days in a row during the week, and have been fine without seeing any withdrawal symptoms.

However, because this is not what I'd originally said I would do I want to be wary that I am not on the slippery slope to addiction.


So, I just want to know whether or not people believe that dosing on Kratom over the weekend on Saturdays and Sundays and then abstaining Monday--Friday is probably safe enough to do without getting addicted???



Also, I am starting Luvox today which is an SSRI and wanted to make sure that it doesn't interact badly with Kratom??

As far as I know Kratom seems to have little to no effect on Serotonin and I took it without issues while on Prozac which is an SSRI so I am guessing it's probably ok.


If anyone could give me their educated opinions I'd appreciate it.

Thanks

 

[Drew.]

I'd consider it this way.
Do you liKe coffee? And if so, are you drinking it daily? If you have control over a coffee habit, there should be no trouble limiting yourself with Kratom.
I have what some may coin "addictive" personality traits and I at one point had trouble controlling both.
If you set yourself limits like yours you needn't worry. But if yOu enjoy that feeling - You Might end up dosing more often a week!
/end coffee comparison


Also Is the new drug an MAOI?

 

[Mycophile]

^^^^

No Luvox is an SSRI.

And I hear what you are saying, although actually I drink WAY too much coffee lol.

I'd like to hear what others think because I think Kratom addiction is a LOT more serious than Caffeine addiction, but in truth I'm not really worried as I've been experimenting with it for a while and I'm pretty good at abstaining when I need to, if only because I have read a lot of horror stories of Kratom addiction and I'm not letting that shit happen to me.

But I still want to hear other's opinions cause there's always a certain amount of Kratom usage which is just TOO much.

For example, 3 days in a row every week or more must just be too much to avoid a Kratom addiction in the long run because at that point you use it on almost as many days a month as you don't and I'm sure that could eventually lead to a minor addiction.

Anymore than that is probably asking for trouble as far as I'm guessing.

I also avoid extracts cause I've heard those are really strong and bad news in terms of addiction.

 

[MedicinalHeroin]

I took a dab, 15mg DXM, 3g of bali white and 3g of bali red last night and ended up throwing up. It kinda came out of nowhere, but fortunately I sensed it coming in time and grabbed a red solo cup and almost filled it up. After that I felt fine, but this is the second time ive thrown up with kratom. Does this happen to anyone else?

I took the dxm because I heard it slows the rate of absorption and increases the effects of opioids, but im wondering if it may have caused my nausea. My other theory is the dab I took first and foremost gave me the munchies which led me to eat a cheese stick and a PB&J sandwich, which isnt a lot but definitely more than I wouldve ate taking kratom on its own. My last theory is I was also using an ecigarette periodically during the night, which sometimes gives me mild nausea if I forget to breathe between a couple hits.

 

[Doldrugs]

I think you're ok, mycophile. Make a habit of abstaining for a week or two every once and a while, just to prove to yourself you can do it. Twice a week is roughly what I do, but I take some time off when I start getting anxious about my drug use. Not addicted so far.

 

[Mycophile]

I think you're ok, mycophile. Make a habit of abstaining for a week or two every once and a while, just to prove to yourself you can do it. Twice a week is roughly what I do, but I take some time off when I start getting anxious about my drug use. Not addicted so far.

Thanks bro.

I figure that's a good motto.

Some good posters here taught me some rules and thus far I've avoided addiction so I want to maintain it myself and pass it on.

I think Kratom is not a really hard drug but it's not as soft as some think and should NOT be treated like weed or caffeine because it CAN cause bad withdrawal.

Kratom is an odd drug which, from my personal experience has a LOOOONG learning curve and I'm still learning now. It seems to be one thing and once you get used to it and slightly increase dose or mix with a couple new drugs or new foods it's another. Can sometimes be a stimulant and other times an opiate/downer.

Some things like alcohol are just the same, period.

Kratom is not like that.

Be sensitive people.

Know your dose, write it down, figure out how it mixes with whatever else you take.

P.S. I'm drunk haha.

Anyways, be safe.

 

[Drew.]

JUst want to state that I was provIding an example. Sorry if anyone took it different. I agree that Kratom is WAY more serious than caffeine. My point was if you can't control cOffee, do you really think something better and more powerful is safer? Or that you can control it?
Like youre saying. This plant takes a lot of respect and the learning curve is steep. Twice a week is non habit forming. But if yOu start to get a tolerance you'll do more. I doubt tolerance will build at all off your regimen.

Oh ..And like my Doctor always told me: "you can be addicted to ANYTHING even if you do it once a week. "

 

[RDP89]

^^I agree that kratom is a much more manageable addiction than strong opioids and alot of other drugs. I don't worry about not using every day, I just use tricks to drop tolerance and take breaks once in a while.

 

[GettinTizzed]

Is it ok to take 10-15g twice a week if it's a weak batch, or bad for stomach?

Recently got a weak batch from the main indonesian supplier I think. Strain is Red Riau. Its dirt brownish and gives no effects at 4 or 6, smells like kratom though.


10g gets me mild relief, 13 moderate relief and anything above 15g I get nausea and bad times.


Today I had 13g and while peaking experienced a bit of nausea so I took 50mg dimemhydrimate and actually nodded off for about 2 hours, you know like when youre dreaming but awake kinda. Had all these crazy ideas and vivid scenery.


Ive only been using for a month alternating strains so I don't think its tolerance. Just in december 3-5mg of dark green red bali had me zooted.


Is there anything wrong health wise if I ingest this much weak stuff via a smoothie?
Cheers!

 

[Erikmen]

^^I agree that kratom is a much more manageable addiction than strong opioids and alot of other drugs. I don't worry about not using every day, I just use tricks to drop tolerance and take breaks once in a while.

It also depends how much you take it, or maybe how you use it. I wouldn't worry about it either..

 

[Doldrugs]

I take 15 usually. Anything under 10 is a waste for me. I've tried 10+ different vendors, 10+ strains, every kind of administration, and while some worked better than others, nothing was satisfying under 10. Except for extracts, but I generally avoid them. I use it typically twice a week but I also take breaks.

 

[crunkazcanbe]

Guys I have been mixing 200mg of tianeptine with 12 grams of red bali kratom 3 times a day now , and I have to say every dose starts to take affect around 30mins later with a warmth that starts in my face then moves to the full body warmth full blown euphoria then around a hour later when the tianeptine peaks I nod off for a few hours each and every time . I have been getting the same affects for awhile now without upping the dose on either one , and I am loving it far to much . Even more so then my 120 30mg oxycodone IR's I get a month . The oxy is just staking up now . lol This is as close as you can get to vapping pure white number 4 heroin just takes awhile to come up , but when it does damn . I am about to nod now . I am out .


BTW the chemical structure of tianeptine is very close to a lot of the alkaloids found in kratom . Its as if they belong together .

 

[liftedgift]

^^^^

No Luvox is an SSRI.

And I hear what you are saying, although actually I drink WAY too much coffee lol.

I'd like to hear what others think because I think Kratom addiction is a LOT more serious than Caffeine addiction, but in truth I'm not really worried as I've been experimenting with it for a while and I'm pretty good at abstaining when I need to, if only because I have read a lot of horror stories of Kratom addiction and I'm not letting that shit happen to me.

But I still want to hear other's opinions cause there's always a certain amount of Kratom usage which is just TOO much.

For example, 3 days in a row every week or more must just be too much to avoid a Kratom addiction in the long run because at that point you use it on almost as many days a month as you don't and I'm sure that could eventually lead to a minor addiction.

Anymore than that is probably asking for trouble as far as I'm guessing.

I also avoid extracts cause I've heard those are really strong and bad news in terms of addiction.

I took it dfaily for 2 years and my tolerance stayed at 20-28 grams of plain leaf a day. One of the few drugs where my tolerance flat lined. I really wouldn't worry about becoming dependent too much. First sign of withdrawal for me was waking up in the morning feeling extremely fatigued,heavy legs, runny nose, non stop yawning. I quit cold turkey and the physical symptoms wore off within the week(never had nausea) The physical symptoms do suck though it's not so easy. I did notice phenibut taking away most of my WD symptoms but I wouldn't recommend taking it more than 2-3 days, I was a little depressed for about 2 weeks. Mind you this as after 2+ years of daily use so I'm pretty sure I experienced the worst plain leaf WD had to offer. Weirdest part was getting these INTENSE emotions whenever I would listen to music or something. Really hard to describe, I would almost cry from some simple shallow song lol.

Stay with plain leaf, extracts will cause trouble if you use them too much.

I feel weird saying this, but I feel like I got the most out of kratom because I was dependent on it. It acted as a mood stabilizer for me in a tough period. I got really introspective, almost like a psychedelic in a sense. It turned me totally away from alcohol and never looked back. Just know that it can cause addiction, do I consider it very dangerous? No.

Risk vs reward, it's up to you.

Oh and I never got sick in the time I was taking kratom, I stopped last summer and I got sick this winter. Coincidence? maybe. But I'm pretty sure I've seen evidence of kratom having some immune system support.

 

[Crazyfrog]

Ok... just got done reading this whole thread. Never tried kratom. Been on norco 10\325 for 7 years steady. 1pill every 4 hours. 4 times a day. I get hellish wd when i run out early before refill. Wd comes in about 20 hours after the last dose. What strain would mimic norco10 and how much should i take the first time. I've gathered through here that 5g is ideal. Am i correct?

my goal is too completely never touch opiates again and level down slowly.

 

[Doldrugs]

Hydrocodone is most similar to non-Bali red vein strains in my experience. You're going to have to try different doses, different vendors, and different strains though. I definitely feel 10 mg hydrocodone while 5 g of any kratom won't register at all. I think it's probably a good place to start but don't be surprised if you don't feel it.

 

[Zerwas]

Imo no strain "mimics" real opiates like Hydrocodone. Just stay away from extracts/tinctures and such and get a normal Strain of Kratom, like Borneo or Maeng Da.
I never did Hydro since it is not available in Europe but 5g of Borneo Red Vein (my prefered strain) would kill the WDs of a ~1mg Bupe habit pretty efficiently for about 6-8hours.

I would taper down the Hydro before switching to Kratom. You probably won't feel a buzz but a little moodlift and energyboost as well as the diminishing of WD-symptoms.
And yes 5g is a good starter dose but some people take more when they substitute stronger opioids with Kratom.

However I think it is a good idea and I wish you the best coming of the Norcos. All that Acetaminophen cant be good over time.

 

[Crazyfrog]

Hydrocodone is most similar to non-Bali red vein strains in my experience. You're going to have to try different doses, different vendors, and different strains though. I definitely feel 10 mg hydrocodone while 5 g of any kratom won't register at all. I think it's probably a good place to start but don't be surprised if you don't feel it.

Thx for the advice. Just looks like its a different opinion with everyone. But I'll remember your advice.

 

[Crazyfrog]

Imo no strain "mimics" real opiates like Hydrocodone. Just stay away from extracts/tinctures and such and get a normal Strain of Kratom, like Borneo or Maeng Da.
I never did Hydro since it is not available in Europe but 5g of Borneo Red Vein (my prefered strain) would kill the WDs of a ~1mg Bupe habit pretty efficiently for about 6-8hours.

I would taper down the Hydro before switching to Kratom. You probably won't feel a buzz but a little moodlift and energyboost as well as the diminishing of WD-symptoms.
And yes 5g is a good starter dose but some people take more when they substitute stronger opioids with Kratom.

However I think it is a good idea and I wish you the best coming of the Norcos. All that Acetaminophen cant be good over time.

Lucky you. Doctors here give them out like candy. Its literally heroin in pill form. They can work if taking as prescribed for a very short period . But for people with addictive personality, its a instant hook. Ive been off hydros for 14 days now, used loperamide to kill 100% of withdrawals symptoms with great success. Now that I'm over 2 days off the loperamide with no urge to take any, id like to see if kratom is for me. Only left over effect i have from 7 years of hydros is mental. I don't feel 100% myself. And im getting bouts of depression during the day. I found a herb shop nearby that sells it, im going to go get some in about 3 hours. I decided to get the bali strain, don't know if it's red blue yellow or whatever. .. i just read many posts sauing its the strongest and closest to hydro. All personal opinions . So I'll take my chance. I'll let you all know how it fares.

 

[Crazyfrog]

Btw.. any idea how much on average herbal shops sell kratom for? Im totally new to this and i think im about to get ripped off. Will 20$ buy enough for at least 3 day if taken at 5 to 8 grams?