Kratom The Kratom Megathread

[whiteroom67]

And for you guys talking about existential crises and boredom and all of that leading back to substance use... I am right there with you. That's my main reason for going back too, even if I had been clean for months. And trust me, making money isn't gonna get rid of the desire to do it. I didn't have a steady income for a long time and thought that would help me stop my usage patterns, now I have one and it didn't help. Maybe a little bit in the beginning, but then the luster fades. Same with relationships. One thing I could see helping is traveling the world, living out of a backpack, vagabonding of sorts. Where everyday is different. Then there is always something keeping your mind occupied, because you're always busy experiencing something new. And then maybe after staying away for so long you won't crave it anymore. That's just a theory though. Although I am planning on putting it into practice soon enough and seeing what happens

 

[Screaming_Skull]

Oh Kratom, haven't even thought about it in such a long time. I used it in an attempt to get off pills but it didn't work,just ended up eating 16-20 tablespoons a day,so glad I don't have to eat all that nasty crap all the time(at the time I didn't really wanna quit pills so thats why it didn't work for me.) But I do plan to use it when I taper off the Subs. Just wonder though, can anyone feel Kratom while on Subs, like they say you can feel Tramadol on Subs? And had anyone had any exerience with the mitragaine(know I didn't spell that right) anolaolgs? I've been interested in trying them for when I start to taper off the Subs..

 

[Berdo tm1]

im currently self employed and kind fo a workaholic, i dont want a drug habit to trash my productiviy/life. so is kratom agood one to take up?

i stopped doing stims cos they distroy me for days/weeks after physcially and mentally, so on top of it being extrmeely unpleasant when they wear off there is also the disruption of normal lifestyle.

regarding the existential issues i think my current thinking is- if im gonna want something to get by day to day anyhow i want it to be something that has least risks and generally safe. so does kratom fit the bill?

i hate all the usual suspects such as alcohol or weed.

 

[Screaming_Skull]

I would say ya. If you are looking for a stimulating strain go for thai. It want trash your life, it does have withdrawls if you don't have it, but IMO there not bad and it doesn't last long at all. I think it would be a way better option than whatever stimulants you were using, but get on google, or read through some megathreads and do some research first.

 

[Berdo tm1]

ive been doing research for 6 months or so im just an extremely cautious type so shit myself trying anything new! esp an opiod.

One thing I worry about is say I got a taste for the kratom high. If it suddenly became illegal in my country would i then look to harder opiates to want to get that 'fix'? ofc no1 can say but what is the liklihood?

It could be codeine at first then a slippery slope to ultimate destruction trying H then next thing i know im living on the street another lost soul.

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i suppose contrary to that there are tons of 'sizzrup' sippers addicted to codeine who never graduate to harder stuff right and that is about the same or worse than kratom right?

 

[88dood88]

Yeah if you are going for an opiate to take to get buzzed kratom is definitely a better option. Lots of health benefits, like I never was remotely sick on it, cleared out the sinuses, pretty much cleared the bowels in single clean poop (lol). I would agree that the WD isn't that bad. I'd say the worse part about it, and keep in mind my usage was irresponsibly high, is the RLS/leg pain along with boredom is bad. Nothing else is too serious and can't be mitigated by phenibut. Haven't even had insomnia, just the leg pain seems to kick in right when I want to go to bed. Still averaging 8 hours a night and actually waking up way less than when I was sober off any drugs or on kratom.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

Question.. im well versed with the different strains of kratom but know nothing of extracts (plain powdered leaf has always been best bang for buck IMO).
But if I was to see my reliable vendor selling an extract that claims to have 200mg alkaloids per gram, doesn't say which ones.
So i know it would be speculation, but how many grams of regular bali/PC would that 1 gram of extract most likely be comparable to?
I know it's a hard question to answer.. but an answer like "roughly Xgrams to Xgrams" would be a good enough answer for me.
Thanks peeps.

-HOOD

 

[ams]

Sounds to me like you got some bad kratom. First, stop buying it from headshops. Herb stores with herbalists who know what they are doing are a much better choice. There are some online sources that are very good. Most of them have the word "therapy" in their business's name, signaling that they are really medicinal suppliers. Even there, don't buy the cheapest strain you can get. Get the kind that they produce on their own plantations, if possible. Kratom has been a miracle in my life. Good luck to you.

 

[al-laddin]

Sounds to me like you got some bad kratom. First, stop buying it from headshops. Herb stores with herbalists who know what they are doing are a much better choice. There are some online sources that are very good. Most of them have the word "therapy" in their business's name, signaling that they are really medicinal suppliers. Even there, don't buy the cheapest strain you can get. Get the kind that they produce on their own plantations, if possible. Kratom has been a miracle in my life. Good luck to you.

ams, avoid the one with "therapy" in the name. I used to be their customer but found that they were selling to headshops, and guesssss whaaat? The actual brand has appeared on stories that negatively publicize kratom in the media outlets. As "Kratom a dangerous dug". Best thing you can do is join a kratom forum. Theres one out there that's the best, where the community looks out for each other and shares info about best vendors etc. Im a member and because of this have been using many vendors that support the legality of kratom by using honest business/marketing tactics and keeping kratom in the appropriate community. Im telling you this is the best way to stay on top of what vendors are good and which are shady/have shit product/don't care about the plant etc

 

[al-laddin]

HOOD, its hard to say, because its not that linear/logical. Extracts have a different effect. Everyone reacts different and finds some superior to others. But everyones cchemistry plays a huge role in this. I know you probably weren't looking for this answer but it is what it is.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

HOOD, its hard to say, because its not that linear/logical. Extracts have a different effect. Everyone reacts different and finds some superior to others. But everyones cchemistry plays a huge role in this. I know you probably weren't looking for this answer but it is what it is.

That answer was fine lol.
I decided to find out for myself, i got a 1 gram sample and took half. Practically no effects at the +1hr mark so took the other half.
Effects of the whole 1g of extract were comparable to about 10g of Bail or maybe even Red Vein Thai.
So I guess it was about 10x stronger. Price not worth it, but for those who dont like to swallow a shit load of powder i could see it having a use.
Personally, I'd stick to plain powdered leaf IMO.

Thanks for your help bro.

-HOOD

 

[Mycophile]

Am i seriously the only person who gets trouble sleeping and sleep disturbances from Kratom??

I simply CANNOT sleep on Kratom or if I have taken Kratom within the past few hours, and even last night when my last dosage wore off 4 hours before bedtime I ended up waking up multiple times in the night for progressed periods of time.

I also still can't ever be entirely sure how any dosage is going to make me feel, and even though Im getting better and better at avoiding dysphoria and getting more euphoria, I would still say that about 30% of the time I use Kratom I experience dysphoria by taking the wrong amount.

It seems like I am one of the few people who has these problems with Kratom and I just don't get it.

The reason I like Oxycodone/Hydrocodone better than Kratom is because it's SO much more PREDICTABLE..and also, I can sleep on it...however, I almost never take those drugs because they are so much worse for you than Kratom and just really not good to get heavily into.

But at least when I take Oxy/Hydro I KNOW for 100% fact I will be getting 100% euphoria and won't be having trouble sleeping aftwerwards.

With Kratom every single time it's a crap shoot...sometimes I get the amount right and have nice euphoria...sometimes I get it just SLIGHTLY off so I kind of sway between mild euphoria and mild dysphoria on and off at random intervals for hours....

Other times if I take too much I won't get speedy...but will experience HORRIBLE dysphoria and exhaustion for hours...

Then times like yesterday when I take too much instead I get SERIOUSLY speedy to an uncomfortable extent.

And then when I DO get high..there's really no telling whether or not the high will be more of a stimulant high or more of a depressant high....sometimes it's like 70% stimulant and 30% relaxnat...sometimes it'll be 40% stimulant and 60% relaxant or god even knows what ratio.....

If you talk to me on Kratom and ask me how I am feeling you could get a different answer literally based on the exact minute you ask me.

Ask me at 2:00PM and I'll tell you I have a nice stimulated euphoria, but ask me at 2:20 and I might be dysphoric...then ask me again 3:10 and I've got relaxed euphoria....15 mins later I'm speedy as hell....and ALWAYS knowing that I will have a HELL of a time falling and/or staying asleep once it's all over!!!

Does anyone else experience kratom as being this unpredicatable or does everyone else here just think kratom is this 100% predictable drug that always feels nice after which they just fall asleep and have a pleasant night's sleep?!?!

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

All opiates/opioids make me not WANT or NEED sleep.
i'm nocturnal btw, either that or go a week without sleep and then sleep 24hours. Rinse repeat.

But JUST with kratom you say?
Maybe norepinephrine effects from then adrenic properties of kratom?
My best guess.

Try taking doxylamine a half hour to hour before bed, see if that helps.

-HOOD

 

[Mycophile]

All opiates/opioids make me not WANT or NEED sleep.
i'm nocturnal btw, either that or go a week without sleep and then sleep 24hours. Rinse repeat.

But JUST with kratom you say?
Maybe norepinephrine effects from then adrenic properties of kratom?
My best guess.

Try taking doxylamine a half hour to hour before bed, see if that helps.

-HOOD

Well I also drink profuse amounts of coffee, take Klonopin and Prozac, so it's not only the Kratom...but on any normal day when I DON'T take Kratom I don't have the extreme difficulty falling asleep or staying asleep as I do with Kratom.

I think the caffeine does interact in an odd way with it, because if I don't have enough coffee while on Kratom I will just be tired and groggy and not really get enough euphoria...probably because I am so heavily dependent on large doses of coffee.

I don't know anything about doxylamine or if it interacts badly with Klonopin or Prozac though so I'm not sure I could take it, and is it prescription or over the counter??

I usually just take Melatonin and extra Klonopin and eventually fall asleep but wake up a lot...hence why I only take Kratom one day a week as I get tired of the sleep disturbances.

I bet if I could reduce my caffeine intake my Kratom experiences might be more predictable...I'm not sure...but at the moment my caffeine dependency is just way too much to cut down.

That's odd that you don't want/or need sleep on opioids...at least once they start to wear off for me I want to sleep as much as ever.

Still, how I feel even during the day on Kratom fluctuates more than Ive heard anyone else here say it does for them.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

Doxylamine is an OTC antihistamine (it's the strongest OTC sedative available in the US).
I've seen on wiki that some studies say it is more sedating than phenobarbital (not sure as i've never taken any barb other than butalbital)
Someone else will have better answers for you than I do.

-HOOD

 

[sekio]

Kratom is a norepinephrine releaser because it works as an antagonist as a2a/a2c adrenergic autoreceptors, like yohimbine. This is why it's stimulating in lower doses (below where mitragynine activates the mu opioid receptor). That's probably why it keeps you awake. Drugs that are the opposite - a2a/a2c receptor agonists, are powerful sedatives and antihypertensives like clonidine.

Kratom use probably also elevates blood pressure a little. In combination with caffeine it could cause hypertension.

 

[Mycophile]

Kratom is a norepinephrine releaser because it works as an antagonist as a2a/a2c adrenergic autoreceptors, like yohimbine. This is why it's stimulating in lower doses (below where mitragynine activates the mu opioid receptor). That's probably why it keeps you awake. Drugs that are the opposite - a2a/a2c receptor agonists, are powerful sedatives and antihypertensives like clonidine.

Kratom use probably also elevates blood pressure a little. In combination with caffeine it could cause hypertension.

I guess that the best I can do is try to reduce my caffeine intake a little when I take Kratom huh??

I can't see any other alternative to making sleep easier or make the Kratom experience more consistently euphoric.

I tried to buy a scale like you recommended but the one I got is worthless and I don't feel like paying for another right now.

Do you see any other alternative ways of making the Kratom experience more consistently euphoric and/or reducing the sleep issues?

You think even if I drank the same amount of coffee but split it up over a few hours it might make more of a difference?

 

[whiteroom67]

I would keep the intake of coffee limited to 2pm or earlier and not have too much. I would say as far as Kratom don't use it for at least 4 hours before sleep. Or you can just take a break

 

[apedosmil]

Hey guys, I searched for an answer to my question and saw close answers regarding half life, but no answer to my specific question. So if one exists I apologize for duplicating.

So I am prescribed oxycodone for sciatic nerve damage, and I was going to try to get off it and switch to kratom to be natural, and avoid synthetic opiates for obvious reasons. So my question is thus,

Yesterday I took about 4 grams of kratom between 10am and 2pm. It was helpful but I think I need to order a different strain. So in the meantime it's back to my prescription. Is it safe to start taking my oxycodone script today if the last time I took any kratom was yesterday afternoon? I don't want have cross toleration or take my dose if it's not safe. I realize this may be obvious to some but I just want to be sure as I'm new to kratom!

 

[whiteroom67]

There shouldn't be a problem or much of a difference really. No health problems that I can personally think of. If you were taking the pain meds regularly there would be a tolerance anyway. The kratom use isn't really going to change that for better or worse. Especially with only one use. You will have a tolerance will regular use of either choice anyway. Of course, I would discourage regular/chronic use of either in any case. What makes you say you think you need a different strain?