Kratom The Kratom Megathread

[Mycophile]

Tea is fine if you eat the gross grounds with it too, but I found that I needed an ounce in tea to do what seven games would if I just TnW'd it. I think you need to get accustomed to its effects so you can recognize them better, though yeah, with that much you should have been wobbled pretty hard and had an unpleasant time if nothing else.

Was you stomach completely empty? Also, what about leaf quality- this wasn't headshop stuff or from somewhere that advertised it for its effects?

No my stomach wasn't empty, I'd just had a pretty decent sized dinner one hour before taking the tea, 2 hours before the toss n' wash and I'd also had a meal 2 hours before dinner so I had quite a bit in my stomach and was wondering if that effected me.

Does my stomach need to be completely empty to get good effects or can I just wait for a couple hours after meals to take it?

And are you saying I should have eaten the wet grounds AFTER making the tea?

I'd only had one spoonful of them after drinking the tea because I wasn't sure if they'd still have the alkaloids in them or if somehow maybe they'd have all gone into the water.

Is it still effective to eat the the wet grounds after making the tea?

The leaf quality was excellent.

Also, now that it is wearing off I AM ITCHY AS HELL!

I guess that's just the histamines released from opioids though and nothing worth worrying about?

So you think tossing and washing hits you better?

I think next time I will only toss and wash to really figure out what my dosage is and not be confused about it because of 2 different methods of ingestion.

And finally, do you also find that a tea spoon of powder is about 2.5 grams like Snake Eyes says?

I thought I'd heard someone say that 1 teaspoon was about a gram?

Sorry for all the questions, but these are things that long time Kratom users like you can probably answer well so I appreciate it.

 

[tunesey]

Well, I just downed some Kratom for the first time about 20 minutes ago, waiting for any effects.

I tried a method similar to the Captain's, I put 4 1/2 Tsps (I'm guessing about 4 1/2 grams?) of OG Bali Powder from Phytoextractum in 6 ounces of water in a tea pot and kept it just below boiling for close to 10 mins, at which point it didn't seem like enough water so I added 4 more ounces.

Kept stirring for 5 more mins and there was so much powder stuck to the sides of the kettle that I couldn't get off that I added an extra 1/2 a teaspoon and starting spraying the inside of the kettle with a water bottle to get the powder to drip back down into the pot.

I thought I'd need more time than 15 mins because I'd added more, so I ended up stirring and simmering below a slow boil for about 26 mins.

I let the water get up to boiling about 3 times but immediately lowered the temp.

I then twice strained through a strainer.

It only ended up being about 6 ounces of liquid and I just downed it, not as bad as I thought it would be.

Then I ended up swallowing about a tea spoon of the grounds I'd already used for the tea, but I don't know if any alkaloids were left in them.

I guess the only questions I have now are:

1) After you make tea with the grounds and have boiled them for 15 mins or more is there any effect to swallowing the grounds at that point or would they need to be fresh?

Anyone have any tips for getting the gunked up powder off the inside of the kettle?

I heard this takes about an hour to kick in but for some reason I'm wondering whether or not I will feel any effects at all.

I may not have used enough, we'll see.

try using a non stick pan and dont boil the shit out of it I too am a novice and simmer it for 15 mins with about 5 grams. I tried red vein Borneo yesterday and loved the buzz and pain killing effects also I strain the powder through a tea towel and dry it out for another use hope this helps

 

[Mycophile]

try using a non stick pan and dont boil the shit out of it I too am a novice and simmer it for 15 mins with about 5 grams. I tried red vein Borneo yesterday and loved the buzz and pain killing effects also I strain the powder through a tea towel and dry it out for another use hope this helps

Ok so that answers my question that the powder is still effective to eat after boiling it.

I don't know how easily I could get it down though without REALLY drying it well as it's even more nasty when wet and clumped up.

However, that does seem a better way to get more bang for your buck through both the tea and the grounds, though by that logic it would seem like toss n' wash is overall going to be more effective than making a tea because you are simply absorbing everything all at once right?

Kind of like the difference between vaping weed or eating it vs smoking it, none of the product is lost.

I think that I did lose a lot of the material when making the tea because so much stuck to the inside of the kettle.

I ordered some tea bags so maybe I'll use those when they come and boil them in the water so I don't lose any of it.

 

[tunesey]

Ok so that answers my question that the powder is still effective to eat after boiling it.

I don't know how easily I could get it down though without REALLY drying it well as it's even more nasty when wet and clumped up.

However, that does seem a better way to get more bang for your buck through both the tea and the grounds, though by that logic it would seem like toss n' wash is overall going to be more effective than making a tea because you are simply absorbing everything all at once right?

Kind of like the difference between vaping weed or eating it vs smoking it, none of the product is lost.

I think that I did lose a lot of the material when making the tea because so much stuck to the inside of the kettle.

I ordered some tea bags so maybe I'll use those when they come and boil them in the water so I don't lose any of it.

The reason I only make tea out of it is because of things like parasites. Dont forget what part of the world kratom comes from I have read a thread where the guy ended up with a tapeworm from it simmering it will kill any nasties that could be on the leaf. Plus the thought of the kratom pickers going to the toilet and using there hand for something we use toilet roll for and not washing there hands afterwards. Thats why I only make tea fuck eating that stuff. Also if you keep you powder after boiling it it wont be as strong but it still works

 

[Snake_Eyes]

No my stomach wasn't empty, I'd just had a pretty decent sized dinner one hour before taking the tea, 2 hours before the toss n' wash and I'd also had a meal 2 hours before dinner so I had quite a bit in my stomach and was wondering if that effected me.

Does my stomach need to be completely empty to get good effects or can I just wait for a couple hours after meals to take it?

And are you saying I should have eaten the wet grounds AFTER making the tea?

I'd only had one spoonful of them after drinking the tea because I wasn't sure if they'd still have the alkaloids in them or if somehow maybe they'd have all gone into the water.

Is it still effective to eat the the wet grounds after making the tea?

The leaf quality was probably excellent since it was powder from Phytoextractum just like Captain Kratom recommded.

Also, now that it is wearing off I AM ITCHY AS HELL!

I guess that's just the histamines released from opioids though and nothing worth worrying about?

So you think tossing and washing hits you better?

I think next time I will only toss and wash to really figure out what my dosage is and not be confused about it because of 2 different methods of ingestion.

And finally, do you also find that a tea spoon of powder is about 2.5 grams like Snake Eyes says?

I thought I'd heard CK say 1 teaspoon was about a gram?

Sorry for all the questions, but these are things that long time Kratom users like you can probably answer well so I appreciate it.

I have to leave for work but having an empty stomach makes a world of difference IMO. I shoot for 4 hours minimum.

 

[LSDiesel]

Anybody have good experiences with the full spectrum (FST) tinctures?

I have had good experiences with FST, but it really does depend on the vendor. Also FST is best mixed with a little UEI or leaf. Even better though, is to make your own FST from plain leaf. It is an intense extraction process but yer not going to blow yourself up like your making meth or anything. If you need I can provide info, PM me

 

[Hammilton]

Inaccurate. FST, the original FST, is a semi-synthetic kratom product, you may make your own truly full spectrum tincture, but you will not come close to replicating the original FST without some decent chemistry skills, and I'm not referring to extraction skills, which will need to be top notch. This is also true for UEI.



With regards to Mycophile's question about dose, 1tsp = 2.5g give or take 100mg. I always used a scale accurate to 10mg and with several vendors I had pretty good consistency with that equivalency.

The more finely powdered stuff varied more depending on how packed it was, but it was pretty close too.

 

[Mycophile]

I had trouble sleeping after taking the Bali, even though it should have worn off and I felt like it already had mostly.

Does anyone feel like even sedating veins like Bali have stimulating effects or do most sleep well after taking a sedating vein?

It might have been psychological and not a chemical effect.

 

[cherries27]

It makes me pee but I think it's because I take it in capsules and the amount of capsules I have to take I have to damn near drink a whole bottle of water just getting em down lol. I did ibogaine to get off crack and opiates so kratom scares me for everyday use cuz I've read some oober bad stories. Probably cuz those ppl were oober stupid lol. But just to be safe I take breaks from it. I don't take large doses tho. I am diagnoses bipolar and add. My bipolar med seroquel gave me pancreatitis! !! I found Kratom saved my life. Cuz it has anti inflammatory properties as well as stimulant properties. Basically it works on every issue I have. I do not want to be on methamphetamines. I did a lot of work with ibogaine to get clean. So that's why I like kratpm. I can take it and not take it if I chose. But it made my pancreas go down after a month of different prescription meds failing! Plus I can't take my bipolar meds now. Since I did ibogaine I didn't need them very often anyway but kratpm sure helps my add!! Like seriously. I can focus and calm down.

 

[《Plasticity》]

Wow, you guys must not be making your tea right. My tea dose was only .5g higher, if that. Also, SE is right, a tsp is ~2.5gs....never said a tsp = 1g. This would make your dose rather insane... I'm pretty positive it's your method and not tolerance as I remember you saying 20-30mgs of oxy got you really high (or a similar dose, I forget). Make sure your using a proper Tsp measure as well, don't stagger doses eaither. If you make a tea make sure your stomach is empty, or close to it, you don't actually boil the water, and when you strain the plant matter squeeze the shit out of it to milk the goodies. I've always found that even at the same doses that tea was the superior method but if your having trouble getting the process done right go for a TnW.

Also don't post vendors on BL, ESPECIALLY with my name as a reference! In fact, I'm going to ask politely that you don't reference my name anymore... not that I'm angry or anything but this is the second or third time I've seen you reference my name to something that I either never said or should be kept private. Glad you decided to give kratom a go though, just be careful addiction wise. This vendor was given through email though just so others know, I would never source on BL . Since it's already out there I'll say quality of Myco's kratom is not to blame.

 

[Mycophile]

Points taken.

Will rectify for the future.

 

[Snake_Eyes]

Next time try just the powder with a lesser amount on an empty stomach and see how that works for you. I don't have much experience with Bali but I'm surprised that you had trouble sleeping on the amount you took as higher doses are said to be more sedating. I've only had trouble sleeping on white strains but since you don't do weed diphenhydramine works well in helping you sleep and reducing the itch.

 

[Mycophile]

Next time try just the powder with a lesser amount on an empty stomach and see how that works for you. I don't have much experience with Bali but I'm surprised that you had trouble sleeping on the amount you took as higher doses are said to be more sedating. I've only had trouble sleeping on white strains but since you don't do weed diphenhydramine works well in helping you sleep and reducing the itch.

That's why I wanted more people's opinions on their experiences with Bali because I think maybe it wasn't the drug that gave me trouble sleeping but just over excitement or some psychological factor.

I have trouble sleeping these days anyways but it was just harder than usual, so if more people confirm that Bali doesn't do that then I'll think it wasn't that.

Hopefully it wasn't, because I don't want to have to take it that much earlier.

I don't really know what people mean though about doing it on an "empty stomach" cause really, that would only be first thing in the morning.

I assume most mean just at least a few hours after eating, but I'm wondering if I were to eat on Kratom if it would reduce the effects?

That is what happens if I eat on Oxy but I know the two are different and I don't want to completely base my doses around meals.

Since I want to take bali at night that will mean after dinner, and if I don't want to stay up too late that's gonna mean having food in my stomach when I take it...

Now I am thinking though that somehow I just made the tea wrong and probably consumed very little of it and most likely the 2.5 I tossed n' washed was the majority of what I ended up taking which I guess would have been around 6 grams.

Maybe I over boiled the tea or something and I know a lot of powder was stuck to the inside of the kettle.

Next time I will just toss and wash so I can really verify what the correct dosage for me is and I bet i won't end up having the ridiculous tolerance I'd have if we assume the tea was really made right because that would be a monstrous dose.

I still am a bit concerned about the tape worms and parasites and shit that some people say can be in the raw powder, but enough people around here seem to eat it that I'm not sure how much truth there is to the rumor.

 

[sekio]

IME, you can't accurately measure kratom by volume. I've seen strains vary pretty widely in density, and always weigh my doses out as a result. Some is much more fluffy than others.

I also think that all kratom is energizing to an extent. Mitragynine seems to be prevalent even in "sedating" strains, and it's basically a yohimbe-type stimulant, doubly so at lower doses before the other alkaloids kick in (7-OH, rynchophylline etc). At higher doses the more "heavy" alkaloids start to produce their effects, but there's nothing that opposes the stimulation directly.

For best effects you should wait about 3-4 hours after a meal, after your stomach empties, to take your kratom. I personally have never had an issue with eating on kratom, although I do find it's an excellent appetite suppressant. (I usually wait about an hour after taking kratom via toss and wash to let everything get fully absorbed.)

Now I am thinking though that somehow I just made the tea wrong and probably consumed very little of it

If the tea tasted bitter/sour/nasty and it was green/brown, then it worked. In my experience it's nearly impossible to fuck up brewing a tea... even just throwing kratom into water, stirring, and decanting the liquid will work. The remaining leaf chaff does contain some alkaloid but it's not really worth eating if you don't want to. Tea will have a somewhat faster onset than toss and wash because the alkaloids are already dissolved.

I still am a bit concerned about the tape worms and parasites and shit that some people say can be in the raw powder

This kind of sounds like the "paraquat pot" pseudo myth. I have doubts that it's common to find foreign material in your kratom. It would be easy enough to sterilise though... boiling a tea would kill anything living in it. And you could probably check with a hand lens.

 

[Snake_Eyes]

I don't know how effective it is but there are some OTC herbs like black walnut hulls that are said to kill parasites. This week I've only taken kratom twice with one of those being right now and just 4 grams of red Kalimantan has me feeling nice and a little itchy. Like I said earlier if I'm planning on taking kratom I make sure there is at least 4 hours in between. Once I take kratom I'll start eating 1.5-2 hours afterwards.

 

[Mycophile]

IME, you can't accurately measure kratom by volume. I've seen strains vary pretty widely in density, and always weigh my doses out as a result. Some is much more fluffy than others.

I also think that all kratom is energizing to an extent. Mitragynine seems to be prevalent even in "sedating" strains, and it's basically a yohimbe-type stimulant, doubly so at lower doses before the other alkaloids kick in (7-OH, rynchophylline etc). At higher doses the more "heavy" alkaloids start to produce their effects, but there's nothing that opposes the stimulation directly.

For best effects you should wait about 3-4 hours after a meal, after your stomach empties, to take your kratom. I personally have never had an issue with eating on kratom, although I do find it's an excellent appetite suppressant. (I usually wait about an hour after taking kratom via toss and wash to let everything get fully absorbed.)


If the tea tasted bitter/sour/nasty and it was green/brown, then it worked. In my experience it's nearly impossible to fuck up brewing a tea... even just throwing kratom into water, stirring, and decanting the liquid will work. The remaining leaf chaff does contain some alkaloid but it's not really worth eating if you don't want to. Tea will have a somewhat faster onset than toss and wash because the alkaloids are already dissolved.



This kind of sounds like the "paraquat pot" pseudo myth. I have doubts that it's common to find foreign material in your kratom. It would be easy enough to sterilise though... boiling a tea would kill anything living in it. And you could probably check with a hand lens.

Thanks,

Well that's good to know the parasites are probably a myth (although one poster claimed a friend got a tape worm but who knows if it was from the Kratom), and that eating on the kratom will not lessen it's effectiveness, and also to know that measuring by volume doesn't really work.

Since that's the case I am not even going to concern myself with grams because I don't have a scale, I'm just going to think in terms of tea spoons and take it slow to see how it effects me, and seeing as you said take it 3-4 hours after a meal I would simply take it 3-4 hours after lunch and then not be concerned with eating dinner on it since that would probably not weaken it's effects.

So my only question then is, considering that you feel ALL Kratom has stimulating properties: how many hours before bedtime would you suggest to take Kratom (Bali in this case) so as not to effect sleep?

 

[Mycophile]

I don't know how effective it is but there are some OTC herbs like black walnut hulls that are said to kill parasites. This week I've only taken kratom twice with one of those being right now and just 4 grams of red Kalimantan has me feeling nice and a little itchy. Like I said earlier if I'm planning on taking kratom I make sure there is at least 4 hours in between. Once I take kratom I'll start eating 1.5-2 hours afterwards.

4 hours in between doses of Kratom?

How come?

 

[Snake_Eyes]

Oops I meant 4 hours in between the last time I ate (empty stomach) and when I take kratom.

 

[Mycophile]

Oops I meant 4 hours in between the last time I ate (empty stomach) and when I take kratom.

Damn, I don't space my meals out as much as most people so that could be annoying.

I guess I'll just think of trying to wait as long as possible after eating to take it and then not eat for another 1.5-2 hours afterwards.

I mean, I'm going to assume it still works even after eating (it did for me last night) but that you just might need to take more.

If I find it effects my sleep and want it to wear off hours before bedtime and also want to wait such a long time between meals that complicates things.

I guess I'll just figure it out as I experiment.

 

[sekio]

Realistically, as long as you wait about an hour after a meal you should be fine. The idea is you want to let your stomach empty so there's no food diluting the kratom. Four hours is probably excessive. Eating something light along with your kratom can be a good idea if you're prone to stomach upset.

So my only question then is, considering that you feel ALL Kratom has stimulating properties: how many hours before bedtime would you suggest to take Kratom (Bali in this case) so as not to effect sleep?

It's heavily dose dependent. For small doses I would say the effects maybe last 3 or 4 hours. Larger doses will obviously last longer because you consume proportionally more alkaloid. (twice as much will roughly double duration) 8-12 grams of kratom is good for about 6-8 hours, easily. But that's a fuckload for most people. The pharmacokinetics are kind of all over the map, you might find 2 grams stimulating but 6 grams rather sedating.

I guess I'll just figure it out as I experiment.

That's a good plan. It's going to vary a lot between people between kratom works on two receptor systems rather than just one... alpha adrenergic as well as mu opioid. The ratio of effects is going to vary just because everyone's gonna have a different set of receptors with different densities.