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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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To answer a question, Kratom helps me to mediate the opposite gut issues caused by SSRI's.

Could you guys help identify a reason for a negative experience i sometimes go through with my Kratom usage?

This sometimes occurs shortly after feeling the good effects, say 1/3 of the way through the trip, or begins almost at the end of the trip.
Doesn't seem to be dose dependent

1. Become fully dis euphoric
2. Extreme tiredness/fatigue as apposed to extreme sedation in that it does not feel good at all, like perhaps having gone 2,3 days without sleep
3. If relaxed will be plagued by constant muscle twitching and tremors, especially in the legs
4. Impossible to sleep, as any attempts result in a full body twitch to full wakefulness, or sometimes annoying sleep paralysis, like im too tired to sleep.
5. Anxiety, sometimes as bad as my meth comedowns, possible to easily progress into a panic attack if i where not experienced with such things.
6. The only thing that helps this in a big way is low doses of alcohol, like 2,3 beers and im perfect again.
7. Strangely large doses of Seroquel does fuckall including helping me to pass out (actually makes it worse) confirming it might not be dopamine, adrenal etc related.
8. The common sign of being on an opiate trip like the itch does not show during this feeling, and the itch will usually disappear just before this shit hits.
9. Seems to only happen when consuming the crushed leaf, never with making tea

Reasons?

1. Im thinking some sort of comedown, but cant be since other times it doesnt happen.
2. During this experience last night, I was obsessing over it being withdrawals, since i rem somebody on this thread also mentioned going through withdrawals while during an actual trip, but how can this be possible? This doesnt sound like withdrawals though (ive never exp opiate withdrawals though so no idea)
3. Taking to much? But it seems to have happened on small or larger dosages. I have sometimes taken large doses where the itch gets out of hand and i eventually puke, but this never feels dis euphoric like the other experience.
4. Taken Paxil earlier in the day, but cant find any info where this might interact in some way?
5. I would usually take my Kratom instead of alcohol. Possibly brings on alcohol withdrawals? But other days i can not drink or do kratom and its fine?

Thanks guys.
 
Ok thanks for the advice, I was reading about the less is more idea but wasn't sure but ill be trying that
@blight12 I also experience leg twitches and sleep paralysis when relaxed and trying to sleep. Not sure why but it really freaked me out.
 
podsnomo said:
The consensus on extracts+bad idea. They build tolerance 10X faster and they will suck your funds dry. Less is more with kratom. Read back earlier in this forum. Try 4-6g instead and you may be surprised. The way to get the most mileage from kratom is to take moderate doses and more often if need be. With your past habit, IMHO, if you chase a buzz on kratom that will satisfy you, you will never be satisfied and it will lead you back to craving the stronger shit. I'm on day 6 clean from kratom and feel SO much better not to be chasing a buzz and trying to figure out my doses all the time. But I will tell you that when I cut down from 14g to 6g, the buzz was better. No shit
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QFT.

Less is more with kratom. And extracts are just not worth it from a financial standpoint. You might as well just stick to regular opiates, that'll probably work out cheaper in the long run
 
I've done Kratom once and that was a few weeks before i left for basic training. My friend does it in place of his hydrocodone he can't keep getting. He had told me to try it one day so we drove to a little greenhouse in the middle of nowhere and got some. Went back to his apartment and made some tea with it, it was awesome. Now does anyone know if the military frowns upon it? i was just curious because maybe i could get some for actual pain i have. Anyways it was great and it could be a good substitute for a lot of opiates in my opinion.
 
my friend is in the air force and he has used it on the job with no problems

I wouldn't let any fellow airmen know about it however....those guys will rat each other out for nothing. quite sad really.
 
ScottOp512 said:
I've done Kratom once and that was a few weeks before i left for basic training. My friend does it in place of his hydrocodone he can't keep getting. He had told me to try it one day so we drove to a little greenhouse in the middle of nowhere and got some. Went back to his apartment and made some tea with it, it was awesome. Now does anyone know if the military frowns upon it? i was just curious because maybe i could get some for actual pain i have. Anyways it was great and it could be a good substitute for a lot of opiates in my opinion.
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It's legal and not tested for in any UA I know of. I'd keep it to myself though, and if you're going to keep some with you, you may want to think of what you're going to tell people it is if you get caught with it. But even if you do and they test it to see if it's a drug, all their tests will say it's not, because as far as Uncle Sam is concerned, it's not a drug---yet. But it's on some watch lists and some in government somewhere are looking into kratom and bunch of other stuff that's still legal. I hope they keep it legal. But who knows.
 
Fresco said:
If they are gonna make stuff illegal they should ban salvia way before they ban kratom IMO
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Yeah, here its that factor of recreational ability, they realised Salvia isnt really recreational and most wouldn't want to try again. The fact that it can be dangerous means nothing, bullshit illogical focus on recreational, as if having fun is the devil, so if saliva and datura fucks u up childrens then thats good, society will be so proud you didn't break the law (blasphemy) and enjoy yourself instead. Lifes about hard work, misery and death. Anything that soothes you or makes you forget your pointless existence for a short while is the work of the devil and God will punish you for your WEAKNESS. Conform to our definition of life, do as your told, do your share, dont question anything, dont take a second to consider your options, slaves dont need thoughts/opinions, but we will allow some freedom, just enough so you can tell yourself your free. Now get back to work, its not like we dont contro... reward you with a salary, enough to live, consume and vote, what more do you want? we cant all be be rich, forget those dreams and be realistic slav... err i mean contributing member of society. Remember if you work hard you will be rewarded<------- Biggest lie of them all. I prove everyday that its possible to work an hour a day and make tons of monies, just to say fuck you to society. Pfft

Anyways, lets enjoy Kratom for as long as its dodged the prison of mediocrity and conformity called society. I say its Gods gift to aid us in the never ending struggle against the number 1 goal of society. Fighting that greasy bugger ignorance my brothers (you seen shadow people? Thats him and his minons made visible by the power of meth, drugs, proof of their goodness and power to destroy lies and reveal hidden evils!), disproving one lie at a time. Drugs a dirty weakness according to society? I say drug use and brainwashing propaganda is major chunk of the total web of lies, sever the right arm of ignorance himself and hit that acid, dont eat yourself or die horribly as a result, and be victorious at vanquishing another lie. The next time you light up, know that you are on the front lines in the fight for our very freedom, our very souls.

The rest of society, while cursing and mocking your bad life choices and pathetic weaknesses, will never know, and they will never thank you for your sacrifice in the war for their own freedom, a war they dont even know exists. They next time somebody sends some superior comment your way, smile and know that one day he will have to answer to God himself and explain why he dared disrespect his soldiers, the only thing standing between him and eternal hell, worse then fire and pain, its society, a tin box, our prison, never knowing that on the other side is wonderful world of joy and err endless free drugs with no comedowns, od's or dependance! True hell is already being hell and never even knowing it, its ignorance my brothers. Stay true and your victory is inevitable.
 
There still seems to be a lot of misconceptions floating around the internet regarding Kratom. Not necessarily here, but I often come across accounts of how "worthless" Kratom is and it just ticks me off.

If Kratom hasn't worked for you, there's one answer. Dose higher. People, often with tolerances to opiates, will buy Kratom and dose 5-8g of Bali, feel almost nothing, then write Kratom off as worthless. That's incorrect. Like any other drug, you simply need to dose higher. I feel like people have a tendency to underdose because Kratom isn't fun to administer; the exact reason 100% of the time I make tea. Good, strong tea. It eliminates the side effects of dosing large amounts of plant matter and sacrifices very little strength.

What kind of dose? 15-25g in 8-12oz of water. At least. If you have any kind of opiate tolerance, this is the dose range you should be in for "premium Bali" and if you want opiate effects, you shouldn't be looking at anything other than Bali. Of course, ALWAYS start low. 5g to test the waters if it's your first time is the CORRECT thing to do. But if that dose does nothing or very little, keep increasing the dose. And if you're like me, and your stomach CANNOT handle ingesting the raw plant material, MAKE TEA. I've posted how I make the tea already in this topic, and I'll repost the method if people want, but it's 100% effective, the simplest method I've come across, and requires no boiling (other than the water, initially). Kratom takes practice to get the hang of. Just like bupe requires knowledge of the drug to use correctly, Kratom requires intimate knowledge of the batch you have and how you handle it to get the most out of. You need to experiment with doses until you find the magic number. And be prepared to shuffle that number from batch to batch (a reason I buy in bulk). If you're making tea, you have to practice until you get everything down to a science and can do it without thinking about it. It took me several months before I became familiar enough with Kratom to get consistent, strong effects, every single time.

Secondly, USE TAGAMET (Cimetidine). I always dose 400mg of Cimetidine an hour before Kratom consumption. The difference with and w/o Cimetidine is SIGNIFICANT. Test it out for yourself.

And lastly, splurge once and a while on UEI. Yes, most extracts are worthless and a waste of money. Long story short, UEI is fantastic. Like, knocks your socks off fantastic. I usually dose 90mg of Oxy for a moderate high, have worked myself back up to a daily habit of 300mg, and as of yesterday 4g of UEI will pin my pupils and totally get me off. Tons of euphoria. UEI is not your grandma's bunk "15x" overpriced extract. It's a Ferarri compared to a Honda. Treat it as you would any moderate-strong opiate. If it's your first time with UEI and you're opiate naive, start with 500mg or less. DO NOT push it with this substance until you know how it will effect you. (I really wouldn't be surprised if UEI contained O-DesmethylTramadol, but that's merely a baseless hunch and likely incorrect)

However, same warning applies to UEI as any opiate. It's addictive and can cause nasty WD. If regular Kratom is weak vicodin, UEI is Oxycodone. I've read that 1g of Bali Kratom is = 2.5mg of hydrocodone. IME, this is fairly accurate. This is purely conjecture, but IME 500mg of UEI feels something like 7.5 - 10mg of Oxycodone.

Also, if it wasn't for Kratom I wouldn't have been clean for my wedding. Kratom is my golden withdrawal aid.
 
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While i know this is going to go against the grain here, extracts are preferable to leaf ime.

Not because they don't fuck with your tolerance when ABUSED, or are more expensive (often times just shitty extracts in the first place, making them economically unfeasible), but because the leaf has a bunch of tannins, and other shit in it that fucks with my stomach bigtime. I get nausea, and stomach discomfort with leaf every time, good extracts not much at all.

So there is an upside to extracts, just alot of downsides/reasons why leaf is preferable to most as well. If your disciplined w/ your dosing and tolerance, get good extracts at decent prices, its definitely not just a waste of time.
 
If Kratom is placed into Schedule I, I'll rage. There's so much medicinal potential in this plant. From addiction to pain control, Kratom is very special.

You know it's only a matter of time before it's scheduled, and it's almost guaranteed to be in I. Big Pharma won't like a plant usurping their billions of dollars in profit.
 
daytryptr said:
While i know this is going to go against the grain here, extracts are preferable to leaf ime.

Not because they don't fuck with your tolerance when ABUSED, or are more expensive (often times just shitty extracts in the first place, making them economically unfeasible), but because the leaf has a bunch of tannins, and other shit in it that fucks with my stomach bigtime. I get nausea, and stomach discomfort with leaf every time, good extracts not much at all.

So there is an upside to extracts, just alot of downsides/reasons why leaf is preferable to most as well. If your disciplined w/ your dosing and tolerance, get good extracts at decent prices, its definitely not just a waste of time.
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UEI blows any other extract on the market out of the water, IMO. (I realize favored drugs are ALWAYS subjective, fair enough if you feel differently based on your experiences)
 
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UEI blows any other extract on the market out of the water.
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It is pretty good shit, i'll admit that. UEI was the first kratom extract i had, and i diddn't know it was possible to get that high from kratom lol.

I've had FS 50x standardized extracts & 60% alkaloid isolates that were damn good as well. I think alot of it has to do with the strains used. My favorite is a 25x standardized FS, that gets me nice and comfy at 100mg. I enjoy that high better than the more isolated extracts, I chock it up to the less "worked/potent" extracts having a more full spectrum alk profile. I think theres some sense in enhanced leaf extracts vs. pure isolated extracts giving superior affects, and why UEI, or UE(whatever strain) leaf/extract blends are generally a good option. I've had some UE bali that was fucking tits as well.
 
SEM was power as well, it is compared to UEI. The best thing is the easy dosing, and the worst thing i guess.

When i first tried Kratom as an opiate new i kept redosing myself sick. I took 1-3 times to identify the subtle effect, so beautifil. I expected something different and more obvious, it should feel like i took heroin and that my life is over or something more indicative of its similarity to a risky illicit drug.
It took a while to see my faults and consider perhps its subtelty is is underestimated biggest danger? Who knows.

Anywyas, this may be why some dont see a value. I actually decided there would be no point in giving some friends to test. I really thought some would simply be blind to the point. Your answer sir.
 
question guys,

i had a decent pill addiction for 2 years lets say 100-150mg of hydro a day though pers or dons were fine to but ive been off pills for 20 days clean.
Ive always seemed to have a natuerly high tolerence to pain killers as when i started 15-20mg of hydro would get me high compaired to 5mg for my gf.

is being clean for 20d enough to feel kratom?
 
question guys,

i had a decent pill addiction for 2 years lets say 100-150mg of hydro a day though pers or dons were fine to but ive been off pills for 20 days clean.
Ive always seemed to have a natuerly high tolerence to pain killers as when i started 15-20mg of hydro would get me high compaired to 5mg for my gf.

is being clean for 20d enough to feel kratom?
 
quick question: what's up with re-dosing? i plan on doing a full write-up of my experience so far, but i have had one troubling experience i'd like someone to help me shed some light on. i dosed around 4-5g bali powder in the morning and felt great. that evening, i took a small dose (around 3.5g). i felt oddly dysphoric and just generally unhappy until i fell asleep. the next morning i did my usual dose (about 5g this time, i think) and all day felt like ass. all of the positive parts of the experience were missing (euphoria, energy, reduction in anxiety) and all of the side effects were WAY worse: headache, nausea, sweating and dizziness. any idea what's up with that? did i just dose too much too close together? i took the next day off. today i dosed in the morning and felt pretty good (about 4.5g) but it's long since worn off and i'd like to catch a buzz this evening for some volunteer work i'm doing. if i take slightly more than what i took this morning, is this likely to be effective? or am i just gonna get sick?
 
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If theres one thing ive learned about kratom its that its effects on me are completely unpredictable. I normally dose woth two-3 teaspoons of powdered bali and sometimes itll have me feeling real nice thru thwt whole day and the next, other times i get the negative effects you described.. and re-dosing for me almost always ends worse then it otherwise would of been
 
I've officially decided that I am DONE w/ re-dosing. I mean think about it. It almost never works. It just makes your tolerance even worse. & it's wasting money. So personally I just think its becoming very unproductive towards my overall goal. Which is to just enjoy this plant each & every time. I'm sure that's what we all want.
 
^ Ive noticed that kratom can be unpredictable, there are things you can do that will provide consistent effects. but this is how I dose:

- Mostly empty stomach. Like 3-5 hours after a meal, depending on your metabolism. Just so the kratom doesnt drop straight into stomach acid. On the first dose of the day, (always the strongest), I eat something small ~3 mins after I dose (because my stomach has been empty from sleeping) and that also helps prolong the buzz.
-Take your dose with lots of water (especially if your stomach has food in it or you've been sweating and are a little dehydrated)
- If you've taken your dose on an empty stomach try to eat within 5 minutes of dosing
-If the dose was taken on a mostly empty stomach I usually wait 15 mins to eat. But metabolisms vary from person to person (so times may need to be adjusted)
-If you feel like you'd like to redose, wait atleast 4-5 hours so the kratom you've taken previously can pass through your system a little (The longer you wait to redose the more of a chance you have of getting that buzz. Ive wasted a lot of kratom chasing that feel too soon after dosing)
-Change up your doses, example: If you normally take 5g four times a day, try 3.5g five to six times a day, or 8g three times a day. Ive been thinking that your body gets used to the dose and every now and then needs to be adjusted, also in most cases "less is more" with kratom, so try a smaller dose and see if that works for you.

Hope this helps, maybe we can put together a dosing procedure or something, let me know your input guys.
 
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