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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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yea 6-8g always makes me feel like i smoked too much bud (not good, foggy and lethargic) while lower doses (3-4g) always give me energy, euphoria, and painkilling effects with extra motivation. I have discussed this among many fellow kratom users on another kratom-dedicated forum and the conclusion is that there are agonistic and antagonistic alkaloids in kratom. The antagonists (like nalaxone) are more apparent in higher doses and the agonists are more apparent at lower doses. You can also add stem and vein (which hold mostly antagonistic alkaloids) to balance it out and prevent tolerance buildup.
 
Yea craver said it best. I think I may have read the same thread & it makes sense based On experience. But cowboy, unfortunately I didn't feel anything off 4g.. I really wish I did man. But I'm gonna try a slightly higher dose w/ the same routine.
 
Im guessing your tolerance is keeping you from feeling it. If you gave it a few days it would probably effect you, but who knows... Some people dose differently, I do love a big dose but Im using it as a maintenance drug to keep me off opiates, and it also keeps my head level ;) So I try to keep my tolerance as low as possible and taper down every few months or so (just for a week or 2 though) to also help tolerance.

FadedZombie said:
Yea craver said it best. I think I may have read the same thread & it makes sense based On experience. But cowboy, unfortunately I didn't feel anything off 4g.. I really wish I did man. But I'm gonna try a slightly higher dose w/ the same routine.
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silentcowboy said:
So I try to keep my tolerance as low as possible and taper down every few months or so (just for a week or 2 though) to also help tolerance.
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I love how Kratom is so easy to taper down and easy to stick to a low dose if your will power is strong enough, whereas with real opiates, willpower tends to go out the window over a long enough time.

I've never used it myself, but Stem and Vein Kratom is supposed to help you taper down, as S&V has a higher concentration of Mitraphylline, an NMDA antagonist alkaloid of Kratom.
 
^Yeah I totally agree with you about the will power thing, I have none with real opiates. I have tried S&V before but thats interesting, didnt know about the NMDA part.
 
Yea man my tolerance is so incredibly fucked now that it's sad.. Makes me sad lol. But I'm Gona stick to tramadol for a couple days so maybe my tolerance can go down a bit. Oh & I was wondering if anybody else besides me puffs the magic dragon on kratom? I love it, I feel like if u wait til u start to feel the effects & then u blow some trees the euphoria & relaxation are comparable to actual opiates. @ least for about 30 min.
 
Yeah weed + kratom is great, but for me Ive gotta hit it at the right time or the weed overpowers the kratom.

FadedZombie said:
Yea man my tolerance is so incredibly fucked now that it's sad.. Makes me sad lol. But I'm Gona stick to tramadol for a couple days so maybe my tolerance can go down a bit. Oh & I was wondering if anybody else besides me puffs the magic dragon on kratom? I love it, I feel like if u wait til u start to feel the effects & then u blow some trees the euphoria & relaxation are comparable to actual opiates. @ least for about 30 min.
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This is a tough question to ask... Im not sure why kratom is so easy to maintain with, I just dont get feindish with kratom.

Ho-Chi-Minh said:
what about kratom makes a small habit so easy to sustain?

dont kratom and opiates alike affect mu and delta receptors?
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I feel like its not as intense as other opiates. & I agree w/ cowboy about the fiend thing. I just can't fucking seem to control myself w/ hydro.. It's very diff for me cause I like to think I have a good amount of Self control. I just got my script of norcos 3 days ago (about 60 of em) gone already.. Now i gotta wait 2 weeks before i can get more.. But w/ kratom I feel like I can control myself pretty well. It doesnt seem to have me by the balls the way that norcos do. Oh but about the weed I defiantly feel that shit, weed can defiantly overpower the kratom. Almost to the point where I couldnt tell if I even took it. But if u time it juuuust right, it's amazing =D
 
^ Taking two bong rips during the kratom peak brings on a beautiful, synergistic bliss. :) Kratom and weed were made for eachother, they mesh together so smoothly

Ho-Chi-Minh said:
what about kratom makes a small habit so easy to sustain?

dont kratom and opiates alike affect mu and delta receptors?
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The indole opioid alkaloids of Kratom, 7-OHM and Mitragynine, look nothing like traditional opiates, structurally speaking, making them only partially comparable in their spectrum of effects compared to "real" opiates. In my experience, they produce less intense euphoria than with traditional opiates, and induce much less craving for redosing. Plain leaf Kratom is safe and self-limiting, since its raw nature makes it impossible to ingest more than ~10 grams without feeling nausea. Kratom extracts, on the other hand, must be treated with more precision and respect, as they can be quite potent if made correctly.
 
Well yall, after trying to free myself from pods, then kratom, for over 6 months now...I'm FREE. Day 5 here clean, and last night I slept well for the first time since I flushed my kratom and decided to make it through.

For all you connoisseurs or users or addicts. I don't judge any of you and love you all. I hope you enjoy it safely and it doesn't start robbing from your life like it did mine, but if it does and you feel stuck and want out, it can happen. Once you get through just a few loooong days that feel short looking back on them, it's all good.

I'm still damn experienced with the stuff even though I no longer use.

ErgicM just said something about not being able to ingest more than 10 grams with out getting nausea "impossible". I could knock down 20+ grams and not get nausea. What I found though was that I didn't get a better buzz; it just lasted a good few hours longer. So, I'd take a bigger dose when I knew I wouldn't have access for a while. But, as the consensus goes, so do I; less is more. If you can redose whenever you need, try less 4-6g as a rule. Sometimes even 3 or 3.5g would make me feel great. 20-23g would make me feel abou the same but intead of lasting 7 times longer for 7 times the dose, it lasted just a few hours more, which I found I needed sometime. So, unless you really need to take and can't redose for a good long while, taking that much is wasting kratom. (This coming from a guy who flushed a couple hundred grams on Wednesday :-)
 
so, just got my first order of kratom. i went with a vendor recommended by another BLer whom i trust, so i expect the stuff to be pretty decent. as i am using this as part of an opiate detox, i elected to go with pre-capped powdered bali, as i've heard that is one of the more sedative strains. unfortunately, the bottle doesn't give any indication of how much the capsules hold. i did some quick math and figured that each cap (i believe they're 00 size) holds just over .5g of the stuff. this vendor doesn't include capsule weight, so my 4oz should really be four ounces, or 112 grams. the total number of caps in the bottle was 220. this sound right to anyone who fills their own caps?

also, my opiate tolerance has been relatively low as i've only been using for about a month after six months of total abstinence. i was using 30-60mg of morphine IV or 40-80mg hydrocodone orally each day. this is my fourth day off the hydro (and a week off the morphine) and i've kept withdrawal at bay with a combination of loperamide, dxm, alprazolam and various herbal anxiolytics to great success. i hope to switch to kratom for the next 7-10 days and then be totally drug free again. any suggestions for dosing/frequency in helping me to achieve this?

thanks in advance for any replies. this has so far been the least painful opiate detox i've ever experienced (and the only one i've done on my own) and i really look forward to being totally free of the shit. i have truly come to hate opiates, something i never thought i'd say. for whatever reason, i just cannot control my use of them at all. or rather, i lose the desire to exercise control as soon as i get that warm fuzzy feeling. i've recreationally taken dozens of drugs over the years, including many that other people have been addicted to, and have always been able to stop. but not opiates. they're just too fucking good for my particular brain. :|
 
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one more question: what's the constipation like on kratom? i've developed a pretty decent tolerance to the constipating effects of the opiates i was taking, so even on the doses i stated above still had regular (daily) bowel movements, though they were often smaller and more "compact" than i'd expect given my diet. since i used loperamide as part of my detox, the constipation was a little bit worse, but i still went at least every other day with no problems. i expect kratom to be less severe than any of these. that sound right?
 
ErgicMergic said:
The indole opioid alkaloids of Kratom, 7-OHM and Mitragynine, look nothing like traditional opiates, structurally speaking, making them only partially comparable in their spectrum of effects compared to "real" opiates. In my experience, they produce less intense euphoria than with traditional opiates, and induce much less craving for redosing. Plain leaf Kratom is safe and self-limiting, since its raw nature makes it impossible to ingest more than ~10 grams without feeling nausea. Kratom extracts, on the other hand, must be treated with more precision and respect, as they can be quite potent if made correctly.
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silentcowboy said:
This is a tough question to ask... Im not sure why kratom is so easy to maintain with, I just dont get feindish with kratom.
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Ok thanks
 
I am a recovering heroin/hydromorphone addict and have been clean for three months. I am very happy to have found kratom and really enjoy the effects. Usually take a dose
of 10-15 grams of bali, which is a very nice dose. I just wish the effects lasted longer and tolerance wasnt as fast to build. Usually can only dose two days in a row before tolerance builds.
i have yet to try any extracts but thinking those will be very nice as well.
 
damonoxide said:
one more question: what's the constipation like on kratom? i've developed a pretty decent tolerance to the constipating effects of the opiates i was taking, so even on the doses i stated above still had regular (daily) bowel movements, though they were often smaller and more "compact" than i'd expect given my diet. since i used loperamide as part of my detox, the constipation was a little bit worse, but i still went at least every other day with no problems. i expect kratom to be less severe than any of these. that sound right?
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Personally kratom doesn't stop me up @ all
 
The consensus on extracts+bad idea. They build tolerance 10X faster and they will suck your funds dry. Less is more with kratom. Read back earlier in this forum. Try 4-6g instead and you may be surprised. The way to get the most mileage from kratom is to take moderate doses and more often if need be. With your past habit, IMHO, if you chase a buzz on kratom that will satisfy you, you will never be satisfied and it will lead you back to craving the stronger shit. I'm on day 6 clean from kratom and feel SO much better not to be chasing a buzz and trying to figure out my doses all the time. But I will tell you that when I cut down from 14g to 6g, the buzz was better. No shit.


wats615 said:
I am a recovering heroin/hydromorphone addict and have been clean for three months. I am very happy to have found kratom and really enjoy the effects. Usually take a dose
of 10-15 grams of bali, which is a very nice dose. I just wish the effects lasted longer and tolerance wasnt as fast to build. Usually can only dose two days in a row before tolerance builds.
i have yet to try any extracts but thinking those will be very nice as well.
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