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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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pbuilder said:
are you off four days straight? Or do you do like, day on, day off, day on, day off, day on, day off, day off.

Anyways, I'm just saying that it's not hard to rationalize adding in a fourth day eventually, and so on.

If you truly get no withdrawals then the more power to you but the way you get so defensive that you aren't anywhere near physical addiction, I hope you aren't rationalizing your usage as most opiates in any way shape or form cause us to do. Even 20 grams in a day is a large amount, even with off days I feel like eventually you will begin to get inter-dose withdrawals on off days if you are using high doses of kratom like that 3 days out of the week. They may start very mildly, just a little more tired or a little irritable or a little insomnia etc.

Addiction creeps up on you, no one plans to get addicted.

Just be careful.
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No, I usually do two days in a row on weekends and a day in the middle of the week like wednesday.

My rules are never to go more than 2 days in a row, and always to leave at least two days of no usage between those two and another and no more than 3 days a week total.

So lately it's been more like: day off (mon), day off (Tues) day on (Wed) day off (Thurs) day off (Fri) day on (Sat) day on (Sun) but I don't always do it that way.

Maybe I shouldn't do two days in a row and I guess it would probably be smarter not to but it has worked out so far without real WD. I tried it at one point a year or so ago and when it never resulted in WD I figured I was ok.

I know what you mean, well I mean I am rationalizing my usage in the sense that I think it's fine to use a substance if you want, but I really do believe I'm being fairly smart about it.

I'll be careful, and if I do get any mild WDs I'll just abstain till they are over.

Thanks
 
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pbuilder said:
are you off four days straight? Or do you do like, day on, day off, day on, day off, day on, day off, day off.

Anyways, I'm just saying that it's not hard to rationalize adding in a fourth day eventually, and so on.

If you truly get no withdrawals then the more power to you but the way you get so defensive that you aren't anywhere near physical addiction, I hope you aren't rationalizing your usage as most opiates in any way shape or form cause us to do. Even 20 grams in a day is a large amount, even with off days I feel like eventually you will begin to get inter-dose withdrawals on off days if you are using high doses of kratom like that 3 days out of the week. They may start very mildly, just a little more tired or a little irritable or a little insomnia etc.

Addiction creeps up on you, no one plans to get addicted.

Just be careful.
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these are my thoughts as well..if he is taking up to an ounce in a 24 hour period and he keeps this regimen up, even taking days off in between, i would think he would begin to feel very minor withdrawals, like you mentioned..the increased tiredness, irritability etc etc..he said he doesnt, at least not yet..a month off of kratom will help but ultimately once he starts back up, tolerance will shoot right back up IMHO..some claim to "reset" their tolerance to kratom by taking 4-5 days off but i highly doubt these stories are true...sure, a little layoff will have you very high once u start taking kratom again but within a week id guesstimate tolerance wil be right where u left off at..

has anyone tried memantine with kratom to prevent tolerance to the euphoria?
 
Ok, this question is both simple and complex:

Certain other posters have recommended taking a tolerance break whenever one's tolerance "gets too high", but I have been unable to find out what "too high" is for everyone else.

I am sure it differs for every Kratom user, but that each and every one of them would agree that I am overdue for a tolerance break lol, and I'm going to be taking a LONG one VERY soon.

Even though these days I don't use Kratom more than twice a week and am now aiming for only once a week and have NEVER exceeded 3 days in a week...at the same time I like to dose around 14 grams per each dose of Kratom to get me really high.

I know that is MASSIVE, so it's an issue.

However, when I first used Kratom over a year ago 5 grams got me a little high though I would say my very first "sweet spot" that got me equivalent to as high as 14 grams does now was probably about 6 or 7 so my tolerance has at least doubled.

My plan is to take a 2 month break.

How much my tolerance will lower after that is anyone's guess and whether or not it will stay down is also anyone's guess as it will surely eventually rise again.


So....in comparison to one's "baseline" dose, meaning the very first dose that ever got you high when you first tried Kratom, what would each of you consider to be the point at which you'd personally take a tolerance break??
Think back to your first Kratom experience, whether it was one year ago or 5 years ago, what does got you high when you were a complete Kratom noob??

Then compare to that how high your tolerance would need to get before you'd say it was time for a break??

Also, lets say you personally dose 7 grams for the sake of argument...and you are VERY strict about (I'm NOT but I want to be, which is why I ask) so you usually stick to 7 grams and don't exceed it often, but every now and then you may have 8 or 9 for example...

...how long would your tolerance usually stay the same??

Would it stay the same indefinitely??

Or does EVERYONE's tolerance to Kratom eventually rise even if you take the exact same amount all the time??

I have been able to restrict myself to a certain number of days per week and now it is my goal after a two month break to learn to do the same thing with restricting myself to a certain number of grams per dose, but it will, no doubt, be a more difficult task to achieve.

So I am asking this question so once I find out what my new tolerance is after the two month break I can figure out my dosage range and at exactly what points in the future it will once again be time for me to take more tolerance breaks.

With my patterns of drug usage throughout my life with different substances like weed and booze...albeit not nearly as addictive as Kratom...I tend to have binging periods and abstainance periods, so this information will allow me to hopefully create a better pattern for future usage so I can repeatedly take breaks throughout the years and keep my dosages more moderate during my "binging" periods.

Thanks.
 
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Yo, so I got 50 grams of maeng da red on my way and I was wondering how much should I take for my first time ever. I'd prefer a sedating effect and I read I should take about 4-5 grams? Unfortunately I don't have a scale ATM so how many teaspoons/tablespoons should I take?
 
ComfortablyNumb95 said:
Yo, so I got 50 grams of maeng da red on my way and I was wondering how much should I take for my first time ever. I'd prefer a sedating effect and I read I should take about 4-5 grams? Unfortunately I don't have a scale ATM so how many teaspoons/tablespoons should I take?
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1 heeping tea spoon should do it
 
tried kratom for the first time today :).
4 grams of red vein bali. i did the toss and wash method and did not enjoy the taste. i'll try it with orange juice next time. i had it on an empty stomach at 4 p.m, though i had 3 beers beforehand. it kicked in around 4:30 p.m and felt like codeine's warmth, tramadol's stimulation and a decent hydrocodone like rush for under an hour. i still feel like if i'm on codeine and it's now 8 p.m. :D

overall was underwhelming but i can reserve it for one day of the week. maybe 5 grams for improved strength. definitely not the strongest/lasting high. :\
 
I can recommend to mix the bitter Herb with Chocolate Milk/Soya Milk and eat a light snack after the intake.
I am currently on 4g's of Borneo Red Vein as a substitution for my former daily ~0,5mg of Buprenorphine and I am feeling very good.
The only problem is the duration: I always wake up early in light WDs but it will be much easier to kick Kratom than Bupre.
 
Peacephrog1972 said:
I find it best with some caffeine! And a gram of phenibut mixes nicely as well
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L-theanine would also probably go great with this mix.

Note: Don't use phenibut more then twice a week, you'll build a tolerance to it fast and withdrawals quickly develope.
 
I thought I was sooo addicted to kratom, but lately I tried just skipping it and ZERO withdrawal! Lol, man I was wasting money. Sure shows me how strong the mental trickery of addiction is ;)
 
CfZrx said:
I thought I was sooo addicted to kratom, but lately I tried just skipping it and ZERO withdrawal! Lol, man I was wasting money. Sure shows me how strong the mental trickery of addiction is ;)
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Same thing happened to me. I've been addicted to opiates for a long time (15 years on/off). Had a stretch of 3 or 4 years of constant use where I would withdrawal badly if I didn't use. Got on subs for 2 years than tapered off.

Nowadays if I use any opiate for around 3 days I experience withdrawals. However, I used kratom daily for 6 months at 7 grams per day recently. I was positive that I was in for some withdrawals if I stopped. I would dose 3g morning, 2 midday and another 2 grams at night. I would feel what I thought were wds kicking in each morning before my first dose of the day.

But then I stopped suddenly and the physical withdrawals never really came. Some very slight temperature irregularities and minor anxiety but nothing major. Of course, 7 grams spread throughout the day isn't very much but I was convinced I would experience wds based on how I thought I felt before dosing each morning.

It may be because I wasn't using that much but its best if one assumes I just got lucky this time instead of assuming that it's normal not to get wds from a smallish habit like mine.
 
Hi everyone.. I'm new here.

I want to take a minute to say thank you to everyone here with so much knowledge. I spent so much time on this thread reading all of your posts and taking the best advice from those of you who clearly know what you're talking about, and have been able to implement Kratom in my life in order to get off of opoids all together. I want so badly to be sober, and knew I needed something to help me transition. Enter Kratom. It has been a God-send the last 3 days. It has allowed me to sleep and get through the day with a good mood and has curbed the restlessness and insomnia and muscle pain. I am coming off of tramadol which im sure has messed with my neuro transmitters. It was miserable when I tried to stop the first time. i almost drank and I have been sober from alcohol since 8/13. I was that miserable.

I found some at a local headshop... as that;s the only way I know how to buy it. Its scarce here in central IL. But it seems like its becoming a kind of expensive habit... still better overall for me than any pill though. Just wish i understood the whole buying online thing so I wasn't spending so much money. I take 5g of Maeng Da 2-3 times a day :) and I use Valerian Root at night to help put me to sleep with it
 
Ok so I completly new to Kratom. I got a wild hair up my ass and did a tiny bit of research and went to headship and got some. I didn't know that was wrong. I prob seem like a fool but I wanted it to potentiate my opiates. Now I'm learning people take it to get off opiates. I took 3G last night and 3 when I woke up. I do feel energized but it's prob placebo. If I wanna buy online how do I know which vendors are reputable? Tell you the truth I prob won't get any. I don't want withdrawals from anything and I rekon I don't need another habit. I take 15mg of oxy every 4 hrs and Opana ER 20mg every 8 hrs. I'm a dumb ass I guess. I am gonna take this headship shit cause it was pricey but idk. Most people seem to substitute it for opiates and here I am taking both together. Anyway,?in case I wanna get some online, who's a good vendor? I wanna get mau haung or whatever it is. I like the energizing effect, not the sedating. Any tips would be appreciated. Thanks!
 
Looking for ideas on dosing.

Mild Opiate tolerance (Codeine Phosphate, Dihydrocodeine, Tramadol). Haven't consumed any in the last 2 weeks.

I have Borneo/ Bali red vein Kratom at my disposal. Bought from a respectable Kratom only dealer online (not a headshop).

I tried an 8g dose in handmade gelatine capsules on an empty stomach plus 2 x antacids 30 mins prior.

I felt nothing. No warmth, no codeine like hug or feeling of well being, just nothing.

My question is, am I dosing too low? Or will my tolerances to the Opiates listed destroy any chances of recreationally using Kratom?

Thanks in advance.
 
I never take Kratom in capsules.

3-5 g of average Kratom on not full stomach should be perceivable after 30 min. It could be, that your batch has a low opioid-agonist (mitragynine, 7-ho-mitragynine) content. You should take your meal after 20-30 min, because then the stomach is forced to digest the Kratom.

Tested a new strain : White Horn. It is allegedly a cross between Thai Maeng Da and Borneo White Vein.

Most stimulating strain so far. Not so much opioid-like. Ideal for me.
 
Agreed - it's amazing to me, but kratom in capsules is absolutely pointless for me. I honestly don't understand why- I'd think the capsules would quickly dissolve the powder would be absorbed, but after years of use, I know that capsules just don't work.

I take kratom 4x a day at this point and know the plant pretty well - tea, toss and wash, or mixed with water all work reasonably well, but in capsules, the best effects I can hope to get are a respite from withdrawal (I've been an opiod user for a long time - long before I discovered kratom).

The absolute best method of ingesting kratom is to measure out your dose by volume, dump it into a 20oz bottle of water, shake vigorously, and then chug it after the foam settles. It's the only route I use now, and I get a lot more mileage out of my purchases this way.

I've found that with the popular toss and wash method, I start to feel relief after 10-15 minutes. With the water bottle method, I honest to god feel almost instant relief- same with making tea, but making tea takes too long for my liking vs the water bottle method.

Since this thread is all about kratom, I'll add that in my humble opinion, IF a person has to have a 'habit', having a kratom habit is the best to have. I have a good job and good quality of life using kratom (and tramadol - but trying to cut that out) daily, vs the manic junkie life I led years ago with dope or oxycodone. Something in kratom seems to limit rapid tolerance build up - once I reached a peak of 7.5-10grams 4x a day, I haven't needed any more. With dope or OC or other traditional opiods, my tolerance would skyrocket. I think that this is one of the biggest advantages of kratom.
 
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