Kratom The Kratom Megathread

[Doldrugs]

The only way to reverse tolerance is to take time off. Two weeks to a month. You'll find out whether you're dependent as a bonus.

 

[racerriderj]

I enjoy Kratom similar to how I enjoy weed. I use it for a few weeks/months - then I stop for a a few weeks/months. While weed has very minor (or none) withdrawal to speak of, Kratom withdrawal sucks a bit for about 4-5 days. If I use Kratom for >3mo daily, the withdrawal starts getting realllllly sucky - so I try to avoid doing that. Either way, I can walk through it without any aids -- though if I have a benzo or some phenibut, I do partake in it for a week or so.

It's a nice plant, the price to play is lower than the standard opiods -- been there done that; don't care to repeat, but it does happen occasionally.

I guess I'm rambling a bit, but my point is that in terms of harm reduction, I think it's a better choice per it's self limiting nature. When it looses it's magic, it's time to take a break. Of course, like it has been said a billion times, stick with plain leaf. Extracts will ruin the experience and leave you a world of hurt very quickly.

 

[RDP89]

I have to vote this for funniest thread on BL. Bunch of people excessively worried over one of the most trivial substances discussed on the site. Take your kratom.....enjoy it. Move on with life and worry about things that matter. If natural anxiety is that high the only meds you should take are benzos and/or anti-psychs. I know this contributes nothing to the discussion but let's all take off our tin foil hats shall we.

I dont think many of us are excessively worried, were just discussing the plant. It is the megathread after all. And who are you to decide which substances are trivial and which are important?

 

[Mycophile]

Beavesmx44:

I couldn't respond to your PM for some reason:

I'm sorry as I understand you don't like clutter on the boards.

BUT...if you read my posts there are NO "conspiracy theories I'm posting LOL.

What kind of "conspiracy theory" do you think I would be posting in the first place hahah??

My posts that are recent that you are finding so annoying all have to do with questions based on how I can reset my tolerance because it is getting too high.

You may not like the WAY I am posting...but if you go back through the thread you will see that avoiding excessive tolerance with Kratom is something MANY people have posted on.

OF COURSE as a substance people like they will want to avoid having to take an ounce a day to feel high, and I know I am not the only one.

So despite it seeming annoying to you, the content of my posts is nothing out of the ordinary and has no conspiracy theories.

I am using the thread for what it was meant to be used for and I also answer questions other noobs have so I am contributing to the forum as well.

 

[Mycophile]

The only way to reverse tolerance is to take time off. Two weeks to a month. You'll find out whether you're dependent as a bonus.

Right, but last time I took 17 days off and it wasn't enough, so how long do you think might do it?

I figure this time I should go twice as long, about 5 weeks, but some others say that it doesn't really work, that people can abstain and their tolerance may go down for a while but that it will shoot back up to what it was very quickly.

I now realize that in learning about Kratom learning to avoid addiction is NOT the only thing people need to learn about, they also need to learn rules to prevent getting their tolerance to an excessive point.

I think I have been naive believing that if I kept it to 3 days a week I could dose as much as I wanted with zero issues.

I've avoided DEPENDENCY, but tolerance is a different issue.

Have you and others felt that after excessive usage has led to losing some of the euphoria that taking a long enough break has worked in really bringing it back again, and if so, how long a break did you or others take to get that euphoria back??

 

[CfZrx]

^ime all opiates lose their euphoria within weeks, but I have navigated down to about 2 tsp a day (hold your applause), and i get a dopey calm after a tsp. I reeeally search for the feeling though, like a thirsty plant I wish I could answer your question, but I'm still probably hooked, so I have not taken a break yet.

 

[Mycophile]

Man, I'm high as FUCK right now on a combo of Kratom (Green Malaysian, Green Vein Thai, Red Maeng Da Thai and White Maeng Da Thai) about 3/4s of a pill of Dexedrine, 1.5mgs Klonopin, 560mgs of L-Theanine, a cup of Kava Tea and some Kombucha Tea and 3 beers.

Got a mix of nice opiated euphoria from the Kratom, Speedy Euphoria from the Dex and Caffeine, and nice and relaxed from the Klonopin, L-Theanine and 3 beers.

All in all a good harmonious combo.

 

[CfZrx]

Isn't that what killed Johnny Cash? jk, white maeng da? sweet!

 

[Mycophile]

Isn't that what killed Johnny Cash? jk, white maeng da? sweet!

Did he die from a Dexedrine overdose??

I don't think so, but he was addicted to Dex.

Yeah, for some reason I find MOST white strains don't get me all that high but Maeng Da does.

Others like White Vein Boreno and Super Indo haven't been working well for me lately.

Anyone else feel less effected by White Veins, or if not, by certain strains than others??

 

[belfort]

The set and setting point is a good one, as I noticed earlier I felt less high in doors and when I went out I felt more high, which I would simply attribute to doing more and having more scenery around in which to feel a high rather than sitting in one place.

As far as eating, I have noticed at times that my high can be more intense with less food in my stomach, but there are also more unpleasant side effects to doing it on an empty stomach.

How long a break do you think I would need to take to see my tolerance go down??

Since 17 days didn't do it I'm thinking I'd probably need twice that long for it to happen at least, maybe a month or so.

Do you think it is possible to get back more of the euphoria I was getting before by taking a break?

Also, do you know what Kratom's half life is and how long do you think one needs to abstain to prove that they aren't physically dependent??

When I've asked people before the consensus has usually been that any withdrawal symptoms would happen within 48 hours of abstaining and that the half life is around 7 hours...so would you agree that abstaining for 3 days in a row and not getting WD probably proves that I'm not physically dependent??

man dude, there is NO ONE on here that can answer your questions with any certainty..when it comes to your tolerance and being able to get that magic back, all anyone can do is take a wild guess..you took 17 days off and the magic didnt come back all the way so logic only would tell you to take a longer break, twice as long and then see what happens..

thing is, even if yu take a longer break, your tolerance will STILL rise again very quickly to the point where you are at now unless you change to a dosing schedule to where you use it maybe 1-2 a week..i dont mean using 1-2 days a week, multiple times during each day, i mean u literally only take kratom twice a week...you have messed up by constantly taking higher and higher doses of kratom.. when you do that, your toleranc eiwll only grow..

if you abstained from kratom for 48 hours and no withdrawals happened, then you are in the clear BUT my main question is, on those days off kratom, how was your mental state?were you lazier than you normally would be?was your mood lower or your irritability higher than normal?with opiates, when you first start experiencing withdrawals, they are very mild but they start with the mental sides..you will find yourself just not feeling well, low energy, low mood and motivation..you wont feel like doing much..u might feel a tiredness in your body that you normally dont have..if you have any of these symptoms, it is the beginning of forming a nice physical dependence on the drug...oh yeah, there is no debating, you are already addicted to it

 

[Mycophile]

man dude, there is NO ONE on here that can answer your questions with any certainty..when it comes to your tolerance and being able to get that magic back, all anyone can do is take a wild guess..you took 17 days off and the magic didnt come back all the way so logic only would tell you to take a longer break, twice as long and then see what happens..

thing is, even if yu take a longer break, your tolerance will STILL rise again very quickly to the point where you are at now unless you change to a dosing schedule to where you use it maybe 1-2 a week..i dont mean using 1-2 days a week, multiple times during each day, i mean u literally only take kratom twice a week...you have messed up by constantly taking higher and higher doses of kratom.. when you do that, your toleranc eiwll only grow..

if you abstained from kratom for 48 hours and no withdrawals happened, then you are in the clear BUT my main question is, on those days off kratom, how was your mental state?were you lazier than you normally would be?was your mood lower or your irritability higher than normal?with opiates, when you first start experiencing withdrawals, they are very mild but they start with the mental sides..you will find yourself just not feeling well, low energy, low mood and motivation..you wont feel like doing much..u might feel a tiredness in your body that you normally dont have..if you have any of these symptoms, it is the beginning of forming a nice physical dependence on the drug...oh yeah, there is no debating, you are already addicted to it

Not really man lol.

I'm not sure if the smiley face at the end meant you were messing with me haha.

We already talked about this, but any WDs I have, IF I have them, are so mild to the point of confusing them with day to day laziness so I don't think that can be considered "proper REAL strong" WD.

I consider it to be WD when there's literally NO chance I can confuse it with anything else, like day to day laziness.

When I actually feel legitimately bad I'll consider myself physically dependent, but while I am MENTALLY addicted it's the same way as I was mentally addicted to weed before or even alcohol.

I do not consider myself physically dependent on Kratom the same way I am physically dependent on coffee for example.

I'm not sure that I'd have to Literally only dose TWICE a week on Kratom, I think I can get my tolerance somewhat lower but I certainly would not be able to REPEATEDLY redose as much as I do now to keep it low.

However, the euphoria came back this weekend when I took Kratom even though I needed to take higher doses to get and it I was also combining it with other drugs like Dexedrine and Phenibut (not on the same day), but I think I can legitimately still get great euphoria from Kratom, I just need a shit load.

But I do think I am going to take a break pretty soon.

How long it will be and exactly where I'll be at when I get back to using and exactly how often I'll take Kratom remains to be seen.

At least Kratom is fairly benign unless you get SERIOUSLY addicted.

And NO dude...from the horror stories some people have shared of REAL Kratom dependence and needing it everyday or they can't get out of bed or do anything I'm NOT really physically dependent lol...

 

[Jermuden]

I really like kratom tried many different kinds. I believe it has a lot to offer.

 

[TMNPothead]

So Ive been taking kratom for a couple years on and off usually 8-10 grams twice a day. Usually if i go over around 12 grams in a single go i tend to get nausea and feel a tad sick. But now the 10 or so grams is not getting me where i want to be unfortunately.

Does anyone have this kind of experience and then moving your dosage up a few grams to see if you get desired effects without the nausea? Im not sure if the nausea is from consuming so much plant material or if the kratom hign has a ceiling effect.

I know moving my dosage up is just going to increase my tolerance but right now its my best alternative. Any help would be much appreciated. Peace

 

[Zerwas]

Take a break. What strain are you using? Because even with a medium tolerance from low dose Subutex, I take 5g (Borneo Red vein) at the most in a single dose and that is competely enough. Anything more just makes me uncomfortable which I think it is due to the other alkaloids. So afaik it has a ceiling effect.

 

[pbuilder]

Not really man lol.

I'm not sure if the smiley face at the end meant you were messing with me haha.

We already talked about this, but any WDs I have, IF I have them, are so mild to the point of confusing them with day to day laziness so I don't think that can be considered "proper REAL strong" WD.

I consider it to be WD when there's literally NO chance I can confuse it with anything else, like day to day laziness.

When I actually feel legitimately bad I'll consider myself physically dependent, but while I am MENTALLY addicted it's the same way as I was mentally addicted to weed before or even alcohol.

I do not consider myself physically dependent on Kratom the same way I am physically dependent on coffee for example.

I'm not sure that I'd have to Literally only dose TWICE a week on Kratom, I think I can get my tolerance somewhat lower but I certainly would not be able to REPEATEDLY redose as much as I do now to keep it low.

However, the euphoria came back this weekend when I took Kratom even though I needed to take higher doses to get and it I was also combining it with other drugs like Dexedrine and Phenibut (not on the same day), but I think I can legitimately still get great euphoria from Kratom, I just need a shit load.

But I do think I am going to take a break pretty soon.

How long it will be and exactly where I'll be at when I get back to using and exactly how often I'll take Kratom remains to be seen.

At least Kratom is fairly benign unless you get SERIOUSLY addicted.

And NO dude...from the horror stories some people have shared of REAL Kratom dependence and needing it everyday or they can't get out of bed or do anything I'm NOT really physically dependent lol...

I'm surprised how large your kratom tolerance is. Even after having a heroin and fentanyl and high dose loperamide addiction about 5 months ago, and then again some poppy tea addiction with occasional h for about a month again with I stopped 2 weeks ago and switched back to kratom again, I use 6 grams of kratom twice a day now and I still notice a bit of a buzz.

I can't imagine using an ounce of kratom in 1 day! That's a pretty insane amount of kratom.

You most definitely are addicted to kratom, although it may be mental for now, that's how basically all addictions start and most of the time it leads to physical addiction.

Still very surprised how much kratom you use at once .

 

[Sinkorswim22]

Hi guys new to forum. Just ordered my first batches of Kratom I have never tried before. I'm hoping it will help me somewhat as this friday im beginning a methadone detox from 16 mg. I ordered about 300 grams for now and will be using it only at night to sleep if possible. What would be a good starting dose of Bali powder? Would Kratom be somewhat beneficial to the detox? Any suggestions would be great.

 

[Mycophile]

I'm surprised how large your kratom tolerance is. Even after having a heroin and fentanyl and high dose loperamide addiction about 5 months ago, and then again some poppy tea addiction with occasional h for about a month again with I stopped 2 weeks ago and switched back to kratom again, I use 6 grams of kratom twice a day now and I still notice a bit of a buzz.

I can't imagine using an ounce of kratom in 1 day! That's a pretty insane amount of kratom.

You most definitely are addicted to kratom, although it may be mental for now, that's how basically all addictions start and most of the time it leads to physical addiction.

Still very surprised how much kratom you use at once .

I'm MENTALLY addicted, not physically.

Except mine will NOT lead to a physical addiction.

I know people have said that before and it ended up happening, but I'm sure there are other people who have said it and it hasn't and I will be one of the latter.

I only use 3 days a week and have NEVER slipped up on that plan since I started and if I ever started to have any WD I'd simply stop till it was over and deal with it.

Right now I'm trying to take a break for a few weeks.

I don't always use that much, but I usually use about 12 grams to feel nice so once it wears off in 4 or 5 hours and I want to redose i may use that much again.

I've heard people say they use that much, the thing is you use harder opiates to get your buzz but I don't do that stuff so Kratom is how I get mine.

Anyways, I'm NOT physically dependent, didn't use yesterday or today and have had no WDs since I used Saturday, and I won't end up becoming physically dependent, or if I ever do notice the slightest WD I simply won't use until they are gone.

That's going to end up being the bottom line for me, and if you or anyone else doubt that check back in a year, and you'll see it was true

 

[pbuilder]

I'm MENTALLY addicted, not physically.

Except mine will NOT lead to a physical addiction.

I know people have said that before and it ended up happening, but I'm sure there are other people who have said it and it hasn't and I will be one of the latter.

I only use 3 days a week and have NEVER slipped up on that plan since I started and if I ever started to have any WD I'd simply stop till it was over and deal with it.

Right now I'm trying to take a break for a few weeks.

I don't always use that much, but I usually use about 12 grams to feel nice so once it wears off in 4 or 5 hours and I want to redose i may use that much again.

I've heard people say they use that much, the thing is you use harder opiates to get your buzz but I don't do that stuff so Kratom is how I get mine.

Anyways, I'm NOT physically dependent, didn't use yesterday or today and have had no WDs since I used Saturday, and I won't end up becoming physically dependent, or if I ever do notice the slightest WD I simply won't use until they are gone.

That's going to end up being the bottom line for me, and if you or anyone else doubt that check back in a year, and you'll see it was true

No need to get all defensive, I've just seen people fall into physical dependence from the exact same way of thinking. Honestly, if you are taking up to an ounce in a day and using 3 days a week, and imo kratom roughly has a half life of 7 hours, you may still have a reasonable amount of kratom alkaloids in you on your days off.

 

[Mycophile]

No need to get all defensive, I've just seen people fall into physical dependence from the exact same way of thinking. Honestly, if you are taking up to an ounce in a day and using 3 days a week, and imo kratom roughly has a half life of 7 hours, you may still have a reasonable amount of kratom alkaloids in you on your days off.

You really know people who didn't take Kratom FOUR days a week and still ended up dependent WITHOUT feeling the withdrawals coming on ahead of time and simply stopping???


I find it hard to believe that they didn't start to feel something that gave them a clue that they were dependent to let them know they should cut back...and it seems hard someone would really get a serious dependency on 3 days a week don't you think??

I'm sure some have avoided addiction, it's just that people don't usually share their good stories as often.

That's probably true that at least two days after using I have some alkaloids left in my system, especially when I use up to an ounce.

I wouldn't say I ALWAYS use that much but lately my tolerance is higher which is why I am going to take a break for a few weeks to try to lower it, maybe as much as 5 weeks.

But wouldn't you also say that most likely if I haven't had any withdrawal (or any BAD ones) by the 48 hour mark then I'm probably not going to have much worse than whatever Ive experienced by that point??

That's what most people seem to say.

I mean my last dose was late Saturday night so with it being Monday 5:30PM where I am I'd assume most people who are heavily dependent on Kratom would have experienced some restless legs, runny nose, chills/temperature changes etc or some STRONGLY unpleasant WD by now.

I'm just a little lazy is about all I'm experiencing lol, which could just be cause I'm tired.

At least it seems to me like 4 days off a week always gives me a chance to see where I am at and experience any WD I'm going to get whereas people who take it daily seem to let it creep up on them by never knowing what it's like to go without.

 

[pbuilder]

You really know people who didn't take Kratom FOUR days a week and still ended up dependent WITHOUT feeling the withdrawals coming on ahead of time and simply stopping???


I find it hard to believe that they didn't start to feel something that gave them a clue that they were dependent to let them know they should cut back...and it seems hard someone would really get a serious dependency on 3 days a week don't you think??

I'm sure some have avoided addiction, it's just that people don't usually share their good stories as often.

That's probably true that at least two days after using I have some alkaloids left in my system, especially when I use up to an ounce.

I wouldn't say I ALWAYS use that much but lately my tolerance is higher which is why I am going to take a break for a few weeks to try to lower it, maybe as much as 5 weeks.

But wouldn't you also say that most likely if I haven't had any withdrawal (or any BAD ones) by the 48 hour mark then I'm probably not going to have much worse than whatever Ive experienced by that point??

That's what most people seem to say.

I mean my last dose was late Saturday night so with it being Monday 5:30PM where I am I'd assume most people who are heavily dependent on Kratom would have experienced some restless legs, runny nose, chills/temperature changes etc or some STRONGLY unpleasant WD by now.

I'm just a little lazy is about all I'm experiencing lol, which could just be cause I'm tired.

At least it seems to me like 4 days off a week always gives me a chance to see where I am at and experience any WD I'm going to get whereas people who take it daily seem to let it creep up on them by never knowing what it's like to go without.

are you off four days straight? Or do you do like, day on, day off, day on, day off, day on, day off, day off.

Anyways, I'm just saying that it's not hard to rationalize adding in a fourth day eventually, and so on.

If you truly get no withdrawals then the more power to you but the way you get so defensive that you aren't anywhere near physical addiction, I hope you aren't rationalizing your usage as most opiates in any way shape or form cause us to do. Even 20 grams in a day is a large amount, even with off days I feel like eventually you will begin to get inter-dose withdrawals on off days if you are using high doses of kratom like that 3 days out of the week. They may start very mildly, just a little more tired or a little irritable or a little insomnia etc.

Addiction creeps up on you, no one plans to get addicted.

Just be careful.