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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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^Yes. Definitely. All of it. Lol. I was always kind of confused though as far as the depression/lethargy/apathy/fatigue/anhedonia that for me lasted longer than just the first 5 days... whether that was technically PAWS from Kratom or still just part of the acute withdrawal itself from one or more of the many different alkaloids.

I've done pure MDMA and the comedown was no problem for me. I took care of myself before during and after though with food, water, antioxidants, etc and use a reasonable dose with no redosing, plus 5-HTP. So the comedown from MDMA was always alright for me.
 
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Yea Kratom is different for everyone for sure, I was a chronic opiate/opioid addict, switched to Kratom and kinda naturally taper down and quit with no effort. This isn't exactly typical but I know I'm not nearly alone on BL. I do it switch a week, two doses between 2.5-3.5, never crave and do take every other week of completely. I still use it because I enjoy it and can't find a solid reason not too, it gives me energy for highly active days, which is always nice.
 
Does anyone know if Kratom or other CNS depressants/opioids/opiates are more likely to cause asthma or respiratory depression in asthmatics?

The other day I got some asthma while on Kratom and drinking Chamomile/Kava tea, but maybe it was unrelated, though it did happen while drinking the tea, which I found odd.

Felt like I forgot to breathe for a second, but maybe my mind was playing tricks on me in that regard, though the asthma was real.

Perhaps there are different levels of "depression" of breathing that can occur on CNS depressants? Like mild asthma might be induced at one stage, while worse symptoms at a later stage?

I'm not freaking out or anything, but I definitely got asthma while drinking the tea and there seemed to be a direct connection.
 
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Hmmm,

Baring any response from anyone who knows more than me, I guess I did get a mild asthma attack from Kratom and Chamomile.

Shit, I like Kratom and don't want to stop using it totally, so I guess I just have to be careful.

Comments from someone who knows more than me about how dangerous it actually is to use Kratom for a Klonopin user with Mild asthma would be much appreciated.

Here's what I found:


"Morphine, a phenanthrene opioid causes histamine release which may cause hypotension as well as aggravate asthmatic pts. causing attack. Consider using phenylpiperidine opioids such as Fentanyl to prevent histamine release."

So, if Morphine can do it, my guess is Kratom probably can for the same reason it can cause itching, though Fentanyl is also an opiate so I'm not sure why it would help...

I had the same thing happen when I took Oxycodone and yet people just told me I was being silly and imagining it.

I guess I'll just have to be careful to keep my inhaler by me when I use Kratom and decide if the symptoms are worth using it.

I guess the chamomile potentiated it as I heard it does, but I'd appreciate a response here.

Does Kratom count as "a phenanthrene opioid" like morphine, a "phenylpiperidine opioid such as Fentanyl" or is it neither?
 
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Kratom and Bupe experiment

Hello all....

So my friend Roy used to have a pretty nasty Oxy habit that he couldn't kick for varying reasons (willpower being high on the list)... Long story short, Roy has been stable on 8mg of generic Buprenorphine (Subutex) twice daily for almost two years now. However 15 days ago, Roy rode his motorcycle home from work with his backpack on and upon getting back, was shocked to find two of his three prescriptions left in his backpack. Roy started to freak out but had always read that Bupe withdrawl was comparatively milder than other, full-agonist withdrawals, but more long-lasting.

He went completely clean for four days with very mild symptoms and started to feel pretty confident and even considered a rapid taper on his next doctor visit, though he has nerve problems which have always put that idea in the trash can after a period of time. But at seven days, he began getting hot flashes and sweats, shakes, diarrhea, lethargy, and his extremities began to feel like they were on fire to the point that he was getting one or two hours of sleep a night if he was lucky.

He remembered how he used to take Kratom to get him through when he was unable to find anything else, so feeling helpless, he grabbed some. It's doing the trick for him alright, though it feels much stronger than he remembers, surprisingly enough. He has his doctor's appointment in two days where he'll receive his prescription to pull him out of this quandary, but is wondering if Kratom and Bupe will have any synergy or if Bupe won't share its bed with another.... He's found tons of info and knows the chemistry quite well, but has found a baffling lack of personal experience. For those who don't know, Bupe binds VERY strongly to certain receptors and has a rude habit of kicking everyone else out of the house...it acts as both an agonist and antagonist...and has exponentially reduced effects with even minor dosage increases. Sometimes 4mg will work better than 8mg even, though this doesn't seem to be true for everyone and length of treatment seems to play a factor.

He has read that Bupe and Tramadol, for example, should not synergize but from his personal experience a few years ago, found that to be quite untrue and that the two compliment eachother very well actually and seem to have zero interaction. He's going to end the fling soon, as to not develop another habit, but would like to answer this question, if only for himself....



Though he's really curious as to whether this experiment has *actually* been done before and not just theorized. Roy says thanks!
 
With the recent influx of kratom noobs these questions/scare tactics come off really funny. If you have ever been an addict to any substance in your life their is a chance you will become that way with kratom as well. Anyone else and the last few pages just seem silly.
 
hey,

we only speak in first person on this website. we know you're talking about yourself.

homeless -> basic drug discussion
 
^ Anythings a possibility, that's what makes life well... life. Kratom was the first substance I was ever dependant on... and it's gonna be the last as well. A history of substance abuse is always a red flag however it's not destiny. I have noticed just how popular kratom is getting and that can't be a good thing, but at least these people are asking questions no matter how silly instead of being reckless, that's always a plus. Also, I've still yet to hear anyone on the street mention kratom but that could just be my area, lot's of tar and pharms around here.

Myco - While I obviously can't tell you whether or not what you experienced was anything to worry about, to me it just sounds like your worrying too much to the point that your starting to focus on your breathing which leads to panic which leads to more breathing problems etc... If you've ever had a panic attack you should know how anxiety can affect breathing patterns. I've mixed kratom with a hell of alot riskier substances than chammomile and experienced minor resperatory depression as long as I was using plain leaf (think soma, benzo, kratom combos and in high doses with little to no tolerance to the former two etc, NOT that I reccomend anyone take said risks)

But then again I'm not asthmatic... at least anymore. I was diagnosed as an asthmatic as a child but I think the "wheezing" in my lungs was from me being a dumb youngster smoking weed with foil pipes, homemade pipes, and gum wrappers lol. Don't judge, I'm talkin elementary school young. If you truely feel that the kratom/chammomile combo does a number on your breathing and don't want to give up the kratom save the chammomile for your off days so you have something to chill you out when not taking kratom. Just be smart and listen to your body, it's not really practical (or possible) to have someone diagnose you over the internet. Be safe, be smart.
 
I did a lot of research and maeng da was the one I got and red Thai are the closest to opiate like...and I have already tried reg Bali but it didn't do much at all actually. I loved the red Thai
I think my tolerance for maeng da got to big. I'm also tried the uei and ultra gold maeng da and I liked the reg better!!! I found that after wasting hours capsuling my powder I had ran out of capsules and I had tried drinking it with damn near everything. One day out of desperation I choke it down with oj and to my surprise it didnt ruin the oj flavor!!! Swear to god. I drank it with simply orange tropicana. No pulp of course! I've drink everything. Now I don't even waste my time with capsules. I just chug down oj mixed with about 1.5-2 spoon full of kratom (my preference is the red Thai right now) and I'm good till night time. That's when I take 2 spoon full...I had a nasty nasty opiate habit. Went to ibogaine and was amazed and how great I felt. But about 2 mo later I had the PAWS it was not ibogaine fault...I was on 245mg of methadone and I only switched to SAO for 2 weeks prior. They recommend min a month! The paws weren't as bad as full wd but it was still hard for me to deal with because I have ADD and it made it impossible to sleep. Kratom helped me sleep and focus during the day. I'm hoping in a couple months it'll b safe to taper off. I was planning on doing iboga again next year this time for the psychological journal. So I might just wait till then
 
Thanks baooozs.... Haven't posted here in a very long time and some other sites have a rule about first-person. Thanks.

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In a few days I'll post what I found. I don't know if bupe will precipitate Kratom w/d's or not so I'm going to play it safe and cold turkey as if coming off of a full agonist.

Kratom can get to be a pretty expensive habit with a quickness depending on tolerances so I'm dropping it after this....but there's a new label at a local shop called Eden's Ethnos and their Maeng Da caps are super potent... Ten caps feels not unlike 10mg of hydro.
 
Being that every plain leaf capsule I've seen is a size 00 with 500mgs of material that would make for a 5g dose of maeng da with effects equivalent to 10mgs of hydro which actually sounds like some rather weak/average kratom. Do you always buy your kratom at headshops? If you are know that your paying outrageous prices for weak kratom. You should definately order kratom from online vendors only as the quality is MUCH better and the price WAY cheaper. I know price discussion isn't allowed but a 30g bag of thai capsules runs for 4x as much compared to my, as well as most online vendors. Kratom is a very cheap habit unless you dose absurd amounts.

An ounce of quality kratom online usually runs a couple bucks more than the price of a pack of ciggarettes, being that that would be 3 high doses when my tolerance was at it's highest that's dirt cheap compared to the 40$ it would cost me to get a single high on street pharms. My 9g doses of the cheaper kratom produced effects on par with 25-30mgs of hydro so that goes to show how low purity HS kratom is, trust me I used kratom from headshops for a few months when I first found out about kratom years ago, finding online vendors was the best thing ever.

Ps. Mods if you feel that I skirted a little too close to price discussion feel free to edit or delete the post.
 
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thanks for understanding :)

on second thought, this is probably suited elsewhere.

basic -> other drugs (kratom megathread)
 
CaptainKratom said:
Being that every plain leaf capsule I've seen is a size 00 with 500mgs of material that would make for a 5g dose of maeng da with effects equivalent to 10mgs of hydro which actually sounds like some rather weak/average kratom. Do you always buy your kratom at headshops? If you are know that your paying outrageous prices for weak kratom. You should definately order kratom from online vendors only as the quality is MUCH better and the price WAY cheaper. I know price discussion isn't allowed but a 30g bag of thai capsules runs for 4x as much compared to my, as well as most online vendors. Kratom is a very cheap habit unless you dose absurd amounts.

An ounce of quality kratom online usually runs a couple bucks more than the price of a pack of ciggarettes, being that that would be 3 high doses when my tolerance was at it's highest that's dirt cheap compared to the 40$ it would cost me to get a single high on street pharms. My 9g doses of the cheaper kratom produced effects on par with 25-30mgs of hydro so that goes to show how low purity HS kratom is, trust me I used kratom from headshops for a few months when I first found out about kratom years ago, finding online vendors was the best thing ever.

Ps. Mods if you feel that I skirted a little too close to price discussion feel free to edit or delete the post.
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I can't order online because I don't have a safe place to have it delivered or shipped to where it wouldn't 'disappear' and I won't ship to work, though trust me I know I could do better online. Also when I said 10 caps, I was referring to 10 size 0 caps, not size 00....so standard caps, not the "jumbo" caps. But yes, the dose is about 5 grams. Captain Maeng Da in this dosage feels like about 10mg of hydro, though I've recently found Eden's Ethnos to be far superior and closer to about 15mg of hydro. Of course this is very individually subjective. Duration of action has been 6-8 hours, which is better than the 4 hours I've heard from other Maeng Da consumers. I don't want to get this thread kicked for listing pricing on here but the shop I use is by far the cheapest locally and I commute a half-hour each way to get there...that's how much cheaper it is. The next cheapest shop wants nearly double for the same product, and some want TRIPLE. But people pay it and they can't keep it on the shelves because this is Florida and so many people my age and younger were snared by Oxy's and now that those are essentially off the market, are paying stupid prices for Dilaudid and Morphine that doesn't do much of anything unless you vein it which I never did because everyone I know that tried that "just once" went south so so fast.

By the way, I tried extracts and tinctures as well but even the "Full Spectrum" ones who "painstakingly isolated and included every alkaloid present" just never seemed to do the same. If I intended to carry on this habit I'd buy a capsule press and caps and go with powders, since the powder trips my gag reflex pretty bad and I wind up vomiting it all up.
 
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What do you guys think is worse for you as a now and then habit stims or kratom? Stims are harder on the body but not physically addictive so it seems they both have different drawbacks.
 
Berdo tm1 said:
What do you guys think is worse for you as a now and then habit stims or kratom? Stims are harder on the body but not physically addictive so it seems they both have different drawbacks.
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What stimulants aren't physically addictive?

As far as I know, every stimulant from Coffee to Dexedrine to Adderall to Cocaine to Meth is physically addictive.
 
well do a quick google search and the majority of data would disagree with you. Stims are said to be psychologically addictive not physically addictive.

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What stimulants aren't physically addictive?

As far as I know, every stimulant from Coffee to Dexedrine to Adderall to Cocaine to Meth is physically addictive.
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Stimulants are not typically physically addictive. I suppose in a way, they are ATYPICALLY physically addictive in the sense that when used habitually, long-term and in an addictive manner, they cause physiological, chemical changes in brain chemistry regarding neurotransmitters and neuron receptors, as all addictive substances do. However, despite this technically being a physical, chemical change in the brain, stimulants are typically regarded as being only psychologically addictive, as it causes the brain to need it over time for normal functioning, but not the body itself, as opiates and benzos typically do.
 
I find it ironic that opiates and most other downers such as ghb and benzoes are considered rather benign in terms of toxicity yet they pack their punch in other manners such as the physical dependence and overdose side (kratom not included in the latter ofc).
 
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