Kratom The Kratom Megathread

[blight12]

Has anybody recently tested black seed oil (nigella sativa) with Kratom, and what where the results?

I just tested Black seed oil (nigella sativa, 1 tbs) and DXM (60mg) 40 mins before Kratom 2g SEM and got a very good effect (i even got blurry vision which has not happened in ages) whereas previously, even last week i couldnt get even the slightest buzz (due to very high tolerance), only negative side effects, out of much stronger extracts then this time.

I have read that black seed oil doesnt work so great with Kratom but this seems to be incorrect? Anybody with experience?

Thanks

 

[froglegs]

Just a heads up to some of you (I apologize if this has been discussed already) but be very careful with this stuff. Kratom is no joke and the withdrawals are second to no other opiate. A family member of mine recently withdrew from a ~6 month Kratom habit and said the withdrawals were comparable to methadone. Granted they were using extracts but the half-life on some of the alkaloids are LONG. Additionally, you are withdrawaling from over 30 different alkaloids ranging from extremely potent opioids to stimulants and SSRIs. In the case of my family member, withdrawal didn't start kicking in until ~24 hours after last dose so they had no idea what they were getting into. They said it took 2 weeks for things to start getting better and the anxiety and depression still hasn't completely gone away (almost two months later).

 

[hatrix]

Just a heads up to some of you (I apologize if this has been discussed already) but be very careful with this stuff. Kratom is no joke and the withdrawals are second to no other opiate. A family member of mine recently withdrew from a ~6 month Kratom habit and said the withdrawals were comparable to methadone. Granted they were using extracts but the half-life on some of the alkaloids are LONG. Additionally, you are withdrawaling from over 30 different alkaloids ranging from extremely potent opioids to stimulants and SSRIs. In the case of my family member, withdrawal didn't start kicking in until ~24 hours after last dose so they had no idea what they were getting into. They said it took 2 weeks for things to start getting better and the anxiety and depression still hasn't completely gone away (almost two months later).

2 week withdrawal is not comparable to methadone at all, IMO. Methadone withdrawal can last up to a month or two.

 

[Privateer]

Just a heads up to some of you (I apologize if this has been discussed already) but be very careful with this stuff. Kratom is no joke and the withdrawals are second to no other opiate. A family member of mine recently withdrew from a ~6 month Kratom habit and said the withdrawals were comparable to methadone. Granted they were using extracts but the half-life on some of the alkaloids are LONG. Additionally, you are withdrawaling from over 30 different alkaloids ranging from extremely potent opioids to stimulants and SSRIs. In the case of my family member, withdrawal didn't start kicking in until ~24 hours after last dose so they had no idea what they were getting into. They said it took 2 weeks for things to start getting better and the anxiety and depression still hasn't completely gone away (almost two months later).

It's well, well known that extract withdrawals are ridiculous. Plain leaf withdrawals are still pretty bad but nowhere in the same league.

 

[amanitadine]

I go through about 40-50 g of Kratom a day, and yes I consider myself an addict, and yes the withdrawals are no joke. For me at least they are equally as severe as say, something like hydrocodone. But the acute withdrawal is mercifully short, at least physically (4-5 days of hell) and then a quick improvement. Mentally though is a bit longer, due to the complex nature of Kratom effects, ie elevation of NE via aa receptor action, etc. There is no compound present with SSRI action to my knowledge. But the withdrawals are indeed like a mix of opioid and antidepressant WD. Tapering would help.

 

[LeQueer]

I haven't read all the replies in this thread, but I have read quite a few peoples' experiences, and tried it a few times myself. Yesterday afternoon I received a new batch and tested it out, being modest and having half a teaspoon first, as it was said to be high quality (not sure the variety, though). This went well, was fairly strong and tapered off in a couple hours so I redosed a full teaspoon, leveled off. Was very nice like before, and I dosed again in a couple hours, with another level teaspoon. This is where it came on quite strong, I felt overstimulated and depressed, and in about an hour sick enough to vomit. That got rid of the stimulation and upset feeling, but the nausea returned with some dizziness.
All of that sounds common to me, I just took too much. What I want to ask is, how many people have done this to themselves, and were still dealing with nausea and dizziness almost 20 hours later? Is this common, or might I be sensitive to kratom? I have a bad time with nausea and poppy tea(no opiate tolerance, very occasional), it seems like kratom might not be any better for me.

 

[Privateer]

I haven't read all the replies in this thread, but I have read quite a few peoples' experiences, and tried it a few times myself. Yesterday afternoon I received a new batch and tested it out, being modest and having half a teaspoon first, as it was said to be high quality (not sure the variety, though). This went well, was fairly strong and tapered off in a couple hours so I redosed a full teaspoon, leveled off. Was very nice like before, and I dosed again in a couple hours, with another level teaspoon. This is where it came on quite strong, I felt overstimulated and depressed, and in about an hour sick enough to vomit. That got rid of the stimulation and upset feeling, but the nausea returned with some dizziness.
All of that sounds common to me, I just took too much. What I want to ask is, how many people have done this to themselves, and were still dealing with nausea and dizziness almost 20 hours later? Is this common, or might I be sensitive to kratom? I have a bad time with nausea and poppy tea(no opiate tolerance, very occasional), it seems like kratom might not be any better for me.

You got sick to your stomach because you ate ~7g of unfamiliar plant matter. People have gotten sick off of less and more benign materials. A pharmacological interaction can probably be ruled out considering the short half-life of the mitragyna alkaloids. It might be bad material, too -- it seems through my academic study that there was a native demarcation between edible and inedible grades of kratom. If it's said to be high quality then a teaspoon alone, taken on an empty stomach about 1hr before a meal, should probably do you fine without sickness. If you still feel sick today try to push it through your body with a nice meal high in fats.

On another note, this indonesian kratom export ban is worrying the hell out of me, considering reports say it's going to be for a year. I think it might be time to buy buy buy. The market's about to get saturated with a lot of crap.

 

[Scottadone]

I find kratom way too stimulating to have any sort of a positive opiate/downer effect on me. I seem to prefer the 'buzz' (if you can call it that) of taking 10 I think it was 10x capsules, as opposed to 15 - 20. I'm pretty sure I read it somewhere, but for me the opiate-like effect seems to have a ceiling-limit, and in a methadone addict such as myself, I could not really feel/appreciate the downer effect, and increasing the dosage mad for overstimulation and naseau, as previously stated.

Anyone else feel that way?

 

[Snake_Eyes]

On another note, this indonesian kratom export ban is worrying the hell out of me, considering reports say it's going to be for a year. I think it might be time to buy buy buy. The market's about to get saturated with a lot of crap.

Me too. One of the two vendors I use has already raised prices on everything.

 

[TRYINGTOKICKIT]

Try yogurt lacaster, I always recommend it to people who complain if the gritty texture and sticking to the mouth stuff. If mixed properly the texture is that of yogurt, slightly more bitter and a tiny bit grainy but it doesn't stick in your mouth or throat at all.

Pudding and apllesauce work very well also but I just parchute no taste and no grit. Just like taking a pill.

Anyway I am over three weeks past my last 30mg methadone dose (5yr habbit) because I swithed to kratom. I started at about 7grams a day (three times) and I felt fine except between doses for I tried to strectch. I am down to 3grams 3 times a day. I am real close and I want to know if I continue to taper if I will have very little or no wd if I continue to taper .5grams every three days. this has worked so far but I am just worried I will get stuck at a certain level.

Has anyone been able to taper down to nothing with no pain or weak wd?

Will I have to slow my taper as I get to a lower dose?

Sorry if this has already been posted. It can be moved or deleted. I have read for days and could not find a good taper scedule that worked for anyone else. I also want to say that kratom and many people on here have changed my life for the better! I have been in a bad place for a long time and I can finally see light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[Fresco]

^^^ you're successfully using kratom to eliminate methadone withdrawal??!!

Wow, thats amazing. I didnt know kratom was strong enough to do that

 

[THCified]

I haven't read all the replies in this thread, but I have read quite a few peoples' experiences, and tried it a few times myself. Yesterday afternoon I received a new batch and tested it out, being modest and having half a teaspoon first, as it was said to be high quality (not sure the variety, though). This went well, was fairly strong and tapered off in a couple hours so I redosed a full teaspoon, leveled off. Was very nice like before, and I dosed again in a couple hours, with another level teaspoon. This is where it came on quite strong, I felt overstimulated and depressed, and in about an hour sick enough to vomit. That got rid of the stimulation and upset feeling, but the nausea returned with some dizziness.
All of that sounds common to me, I just took too much. What I want to ask is, how many people have done this to themselves, and were still dealing with nausea and dizziness almost 20 hours later? Is this common, or might I be sensitive to kratom? I have a bad time with nausea and poppy tea(no opiate tolerance, very occasional), it seems like kratom might not be any better for me.

The first few times i took kratom (2-4g) i got mad sick and depressed the day after, really really awful. Lasted for solid 20-24hrs.

 

[TRYINGTOKICKIT]

^^^ you're successfully using kratom to eliminate methadone withdrawal??!!

Wow, thats amazing. I didnt know kratom was strong enough to do that

Yeah I actually was not optimistic going into this. After my first dose I got a stimulating effect while also a calming effect. I know it doesn't make much sense but yes it did work. I just hope I can taper down to zero and if that is even possible. I have had only a couple bad days in this detox/taper. I think I have been very lucky for this to work for me as everyone is different and some have bad experience's. I have actually got a euphoric feeling sometimes eventhough I have continued to taper. I did notice my morning dose is on an empty stomach and it seems to work way better! Kratom gave me energy and a positive attitude that made even the hard times easier to cope with. Yesterday I only had to dose once so I think I am getting very close.

 

[Fresco]

^^^^ good for you

 

[candykane]

i am currently on kratom for metadone withdraws, day 6 no metadone! night time is pretty shitty, the sweating the chills but the daytime is okay, i feel about 80%

 

[candykane]

i didnt know what kind of kratom to buy so i got asample pack. i take 3 grams 3 times daily. sometimes it makes me feel alittle jittery,like typing now my hands are shaking. as far as the pain,it's barable.morning sucks until i have my tea, then it takes about 15 minutes to kick in,but it does kick in( thank the universe)!then i cap 6 gel caps, for my 2nd dose at noon. 6 more at dinner. I would be pretty unhappy without it!

 

[geoffreychaucer]

I've been wondering about what people think about kratom in terms of its positive effects. I am addicted to kratom and there are negatives. But it seems to me that the personal benefits that kratom has on my outlook just about outweigh the negatives. Feeling comfortable around people and positive in my outlook does not come naturally to me and it never has. A lot of positive things are happening in my life right now, finally enjoy school for the first time, ever. I feel like my life is finally coming together in terms of enjoying normal things like social interaction and general feeling optimistic about my future. I've always had reasons to feel positive about the future but have never appreciated it until now. And I am currently taking kratom 1-2 times daily for the past few months. Been taking kratom overall a year and a half but until recently wasn't taking it everyday. But since I began taking it daily, things have improved. So is it possible that a kratom addiction is not such a bad thing? Or am I deluding myself? If a positive outlook costs my 50 dollars a month then I am happy to continue paying that. I really haven't ever felt so relaxed and positive, ever.

 

[canuck403]

Does anyone know about using Kratom for depression while taking pain meds? (there is no search function on an individual thread)

 

[TRYINGTOKICKIT]

i am currently on kratom for metadone withdraws, day 6 no metadone! night time is pretty shitty, the sweating the chills but the daytime is okay, i feel about 80%

I took a higher dose the first week depending on how I felt. I think I could have taken enough to feel 100%. I did want to feel some pain and discomfort though. I want to taper to nothing asap. The longer you take Kratom I believe the longer it will prolong your withdrawal feeling (so I have read). I was dosing 7grams in the morning and 3grams up to three times a day on week one. Week two I got down to 5grams in the morning and 3grams three times a day. By week three I could drop pretty fast but I seem to be stuck at 2.5grams two to three times a day. I am just going to drop by .1 or .2grams every couple days until I am at 0.

i didnt know what kind of kratom to buy so i got asample pack. i take 3 grams 3 times daily. sometimes it makes me feel alittle jittery,like typing now my hands are shaking. as far as the pain,it's barable.morning sucks until i have my tea, then it takes about 15 minutes to kick in,but it does kick in( thank the universe)!then i cap 6 gel caps, for my 2nd dose at noon. 6 more at dinner. I would be pretty unhappy without it!

I have noticed the red vein bali is more sedative than the white or green vein bali. I also read it is good to have a sample pack because you can jump strains to keep your tolerance low or taper faster. I think that is why my taper is going slow now because I am building up a tolerance to this strain. I think it also has something to do with feeling better and not wanting to feel like shit anymore.

 

[PANDAmonium]

The first few times i took kratom (2-4g) i got mad sick and depressed the day after, really really awful. Lasted for solid 20-24hrs.

I was just about to post in this thread asking if anyone had experiences with post-kratom depression. I encouraged my friend to try kratom. He said he wouldn't be using it anymore, since the few times he did it, it made him sleep forever and then feel depressed the next day. I haven't encountered anything like that.

There are some differences between us that could be a factor. For example:

-I suffer from depression, he does not (I haven't had a "low phase" for quite some time though, go me!);
-I have a horrible time trying to fall asleep and kratom is immensely helpful for getting me my 8 hours, my friend has no trouble sleeping at all.

Does anyone else have any anecdotal evidence of kratom causing depression? I'm a little worried, since I am predisposed to depressive moods. If kratom might cause me to become depressed, I definitely want to avoid it. Though, I've been using it for nearly 2 months now and I've been really pleased with how it makes me feel.