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The Ketamine Discussion thread

^ I think the bad rep for PCP and its relatives simply comes from people taking too much. I have not tried PCP - only analogues and relatives (3-MeO-PCP, 4-MeO-PCP, MXE), but considering that 3-PCP is supposed to be weaker than actual PCP it's a scary thought of smoking unmeasured amounts.

Especially when yousmoke and tend to re-dose (like have two or three joints or whatever). I think PCP may be the same as 3-PCP in that it's better to take a single dose and work with what you get from it.

Last time I took a little too much, I found myself standing at the open window waving my arms trying to "push the bad energy out of the room", and teh strange thing about this is, I was quite lucid at the time and realised how bizarre it was. I knew it was nuts but I HAD to do it or else I thought there would be dire consequences - now that's scary. A schism between your thoughts being rational and your actions being irrational yet outside your control.
 
I think pcp has a bad rep cause people often lace joints/weed with it. If you got hold of a laced J and didn't know it you'd be fucked. Have seen it dissolved in a small vial and a few laced joints/cones however I have never come across powdered pcp in Australia myself. Got some "dust" (pcp powder) in an open air market in USA quite a while back (over 10 years ago and my friend did all the leg work I just hang back as it was pretty sketchy) my mate also got several rocks of crack.

Crack and pcp is interesting but we stopped doing the pcp after just 2 small hits with crack each. My friend didn't do it often (crack or pcp) but he couldn't get any lsd so we went and scored the dust instead. I could see that combo being addictive and a one way ticket to crazy town if you did it often enough. It was cut but even then you'd only need 10 mg or so. Still going into the ghetto of any major US city is a sketchy experience, risk vs reward = I doubt i'd do it again for anything. Note: the crack was mixed with weed as well. Really get you up and fucking charging... not necessarily in a good way.
 
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Took a 12 hour journey from syd to melb over the weekend with a q/gram of noiiice gear. It made the trip so amazing. The combination of being on a fast moving train through the country and taking bumps when desired was great. Bump, head to seat, space for an hour, get up, bump, melt, bump, stumble to get a sandwich, eat it like an alien, write some weird thoughts down (I LOVE doing this on K,) more bumps, more melting...

Twelve hours which could have been so painful spent in a way Id describe as nothing less than wonderful. Hip-hip hooray for K!
 
Well, I finally got my hands on some ketamine again, and had a really intense 4 days with 2 grams of the stuff, to say the least.

Still processing a lot of the experience, a substantial portion of the first two days was spent repeatedly diving back into the k-hole, where I had a number of incredibly profound, revelatory and self-exploratory experiences, as well as experiencing an extreme euphoria on par with, if not surpassing, anything that I've felt in my 7 years of drug use. The original plan was to create a trip report about the experience, but I'm still struggling to understand a lot of what happened, let alone articulate it, so that might have to wait.

It was like nothing I've ever encountered, not even the unusual and intense memory/dreamlike experiences I've had before with the drug, but a new and infinitely expanded mode of consciousness which seem to touch on, possibly merge with, some kind of greater universal awareness. The best way I can describe it is as being something like an iceberg melting down to merge with the ocean around it and then reforming; through a change in state becoming and experiencing something much larger and more expanded than itself, and then returning to a singular existence despite still floating through the substance of what it became. This might sound like metaphysical gibberish to some, but it's honestly the best I can do to explain what I underwent after each dose.

Anyway, I'm still trying to figure out what this whole experience means, but the original reason I decided to post in the interim was to say that my recent experiences have definitely caused me to rethink my earlier statements about racemic/s-ketamine. While the racemic batch had it's own advantages, and felt somewhat more intense and varied for the lower level experiences, the s-ketamine batch was cleaner on a physical level (I ended up somewhat nauseous on two occasions after using the racemic batch, although this could be down to another contamination) and more profoundly euphoric, and seemed more potent for driving me into those deeper states, as well as providing a clean recollection of what happened during. I'd still say the racemic, or more ideally, a mixture of the two with around a 75% s/25% r ratio would be better for active, social use, since it seemed to have more of an 'externally hallucinogenic' feel, if that makes sense, more of an effect in the environment and the senses, than pure S-ketamine, but I can see why a strong preference for the s-ketamine exists.

I also found the constantly repeated piece of druggie lore 'you can't IV ketamine because you'll k-hole before you pull the needle out,' to be untrue, for the record. Of course there are still plenty of other reasons to not IV it, from a HR point of view, but I found loss of full awareness/motor control to take anywhere from 10 - 30 seconds, leaving enough time to cap the needle, hold down a cotton ball on the injection site, click the 'play' button on a music playlist and lie back with my head on the pillow.

Anyway, if I ever manage to finish that trip report, I'll post it here. Party safely, guys.
 
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That is a fantastic description of that experience - if I can claim to have experienced something similar, since we're all unique. Really, that's one of the most well-articulated expressions of the feeling of becoming the 'background' of this very experience; the all-encompassing show that is life in its myriad forms.

Write on!



The best way I can describe it is as being something like an iceberg melting down to merge with the ocean around it and then reforming; through a change in state becoming and experiencing something much larger and more expanded than itself, and then returning to a singular existence despite still floating through the substance of what it became. This might sound like metaphysical gibberish to some, but it's honestly the best I can do to explain what I underwent after each dose.
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Man... I have Very limited connections here in au melb these days but K is one thing I can get easily cheaply and it's as close to pure as possible in powder form
 
Perhaps an IV of K is in order just to experience this level of onset. 30 seconds sounds like more than enough time to do what is necessary. TBH I thought it'd ramp up the intensity vs IM and you'd be deeper than expected within 10 seconds or so. Plus it is one of those druggie lore's I heard from a long way back. Perhaps a IV s-isomer K is in order? Has this this ROA made a profound difference Crankinit in your opinion?
 
I'm not sure tbh. In general I find that IV use of most drugs tends to provide cleaner, smoother effects, but I'm not sure if the specific experience I was getting was in any part due to the ROA, or just a question of the dose. Previous K experience has generally been either social or lower dose 'chill with a movie' type situations, where any time in the "k-hole" (although to call it that after what I experienced on the weekend seems, by comparison, a bit insulting :p ) was just me doing a bit too much and drifting off. Last week was the first time I've ever actually sat down with a big bag of K and just ploughed through it via constant, high-dose re-administration with the intent of going back into that k-hole state over and over.

It looks like I'll be getting more somewhere down the track, if that ends up happening then I might have to experiment and see if I can reach the same state through other ROA's. You know, purely in the name of science ;)

IV use definitely does lend itself to the more intense experience overall though, the higher BA and speed of onset obviously makes it much easier to peak the level of the drug in your system, and by contrast the shorter duration and relative level of effort required to administer makes it less suitable for more casual use - to the point where when I did decide to just get a buzz going and watch movies or game or w/e, I ended up sticking to snorting.

That is a fantastic description of that experience - if I can claim to have experienced something similar, since we're all unique. Really, that's one of the most well-articulated expressions of the feeling of becoming the 'background' of this very experience; the all-encompassing show that is life in its myriad forms.

Write on!
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Thanks man :) But sadly it's really only brushing the surface, there's a lot that went on that just seems to defy description.
 
Yeah if you really want to go deep with K you need to have large doses fairly regularly to get there and maintain. Might give IV a go next time I get some s-isomer K purely for science of course :). But sitting down with a bag and just going for it is something to which I can relate. Railing up line after line till even getting the shit onto the table from the bag is a challenge.

Meanwhile your "melting" (love this description, fits perfectly with the experience) into a sea of consciousness while finding interconnecting pieces of reality jump up at you in a eureka moment. Like understanding the intricacy of global communication networks and the true ability of globalization to transport someone or something to so many places at speeds once undreamt of... all the while staring at the "really lovely" red carpet.
 
Prob gonna try ketamine for the first time this weekend, maybe even tonight.

Before I read through this thread thoroughly can someone just give a quick reply of any dangerous combo's to try. E.g alcohol, weed, speed, xanax. Anything that is a serious no no please reply asap so me or one of my friends don't fuck ourselves up. Speedier response the better as even though I'm not sure if i'm having it tonight very good chance two of my closest friends will be in a few hours.

peace team, any advice is appreciated =)

EDIT: Had a read through the health section of erowid on ketamine, seems everything should be fine as long as we steer clear of valium/alcohol and just smoke a bit of weed with it if desired.
 
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If it's your first time might be worth not mixing it.

I'm pretty sure it has significant CNS depressant qualities, so mixing with other CNS depressants could be dangerous, of course depending on the dose and your tolerance. I'd watch out for things like benzos, opiates and alcohol if you have no tolerance to either.

But if you play it safe and use small doses to work up slowly you could be right. But k-holing for the first time I deffinetly wouldn't mix with the above drugs.

Weed will be fine, most likely intensify the experience, a lot safer using that with K then the drugs I mentioned earlier.
 
weed's a good mix but IME intensifies it extremely, smaller doses with weed can be a lot more full on than larger doses without
 
Has anyone noticed a recent (last 6 months or so) increase in pills containing ketamine? I remember back in '06/'07/'08 it was quite common to find a few people at the club 'K bombed' asleep in a chair after obviously not knowing what they were taking and mixing it with alcohol. I noticed this trend seemed to die off as piperazines started to become popular. I've only just recently come in to contact with a fair few different pills containing ketamine and haven't seen any since i think like mid 2008. I'm not the biggest fan of ketamine to begin with but the idea of pills being sold as MDMA but containing ketamine seems nearly as reckless as PMA pills. I've watched so many people drop and start vomiting/passing out from fucking ketamine pills. I really don't know how this trend has become popular again amongst the pressers.

To add to that; I can't stand ketamine because for some reason I just absolutely cannot have a little bit without doing it until i'm either K-holed or its all gone. Does anyone else find it ridiculously addictive? The short-term addiction i get from it is on par meth. I just cannot stop re-dosing. Even meth I would get to a point where I had so much left that I knew I wasn't going to finish it and I'd just go to bed. I've NEVER been able to have a night on the K where I have a few lines and leave it at that. I literally fiend the shit, most other people I've spoken to don't seem to feel this effect at all. What is odd to me is that I've always been the kind of person who can take an extremely addictive substance and if I don't enjoy the experience, I won't continue taking it. I have never really had a good time under the influence of ketamine and yet I will continue to re-dose. Crazy shit.
 
Idk this last year the ck's and hearts in melbourne were k based. Pretty fun times if you knew what you were getting, definitely spent an arvo rolling around a friends house unable to stand. Apart from that haven't really noticed an increase in melbourne, if anything the melbourne scene appears to have consistently got clean MDA based pills lately. Weak shit but hey if its clean its all good for HR.
I personally find k to be one of the easiest drugs for me to call it a night on, I will have enough so that I'm struggle to walk around and be content usually, nothing like my fiending on speed (literally doing bags at a time and unable to stop myself).

Anyone have experience using K as a comedown aid? Having a fairly large one up soon and thinking of grabbing a little bag to help me relax when its all said and done, probably going to be on speed and g hopefully I abstain from much else.
 
The other week I had a bit of K I was planning on using for an MDMA comedown but it was all gone by the time I left the club :p

Yeah I find it extremely addictive not only in redosing but if I have it around no matter what I tell myself during the day 'no K tonight', it will enter my nose that night. That said if I don't have K I don't fiend for it or feel any extra strong compulsion to go get some
 
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The other week I had a bit of K I was planning on using for an MDMA comedown but it was all gone by the time I left the club :p

Yeah I find it extremely addictive not only in redosing but if I have it around no matter what I tell myself during the day 'no K tonight', it will enter my nose that night. That said if I don't have K I don't fiend for it or feel any extra strong compulsion to go get some
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this is me in a nutshell. I do not actively seek it, nor ever crave it or even think about it, but if I have some I will do it all until I am incapacitated or it's gone. I'd say it was my addictive personality but other drugs that are considered far more addictive I can easily put down and save for another time. Most drugs I'll buy in advance of whatever event I am planning on attending and I'm fine with holding onto them but with K, if I have it I will take it. I can't explain it as nearly everyone else I know who has done or still does K cannot relate and says that for them a few bumps is more than satisfying. Guess its a good thing I don't enjoy the stuff because I could see it becoming a very bad habit.
 
It's simple once you get some into you the desire to remain "there" is strong. This and the fact your re dosing every hour or so. After a while though, depending on quality, I tend to feel satisfied and can put it away... unless really shitfaced and then the lines end up stupid big and your spilling shit...
 
yeah triplies exactly, the reason ive never tried it in combos that im interested in (eg LSD) or whenever I go out i only have a tiny amount and run out early, is cos i typically pick it up on a wednesday or thursday evening haha
 
Yeah the fiendishness and moreishness is pretty common with dissociatives, especially K and Nitrous (although I get it with clean batches of MXE sometimes). Once you hit that relaxed, comfortably weird place, there's a pretty powerful urge to stay there, but like you said, once you run out and sleep it off, the urge seems to mostly fade. I have seen people with full blown K addictions, akin to meth or opiate habits, and it's not pretty, but it doesn't seem as common as it is with stims/opi's.
 
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