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Opioids The Great Fentanyl Drought of '24 USA

How's the 'fetty' in your area?

  • Plentiful and good

    Votes: 6 15.8%
  • Good but getting harder to find

    Votes: 3 7.9%
  • Can only find average these days

    Votes: 8 21.1%
  • Can't seem to find anything decent at all

    Votes: 21 55.3%

  • Total voters
    38
Yea that makes sense @tryptakid

I am not very familiar with the Nitazenes. I only know they are potent Opioids. Are they considered "good" or are they just potent?
I haven't spent a ton of time reading or talking with folks about them but the sense that I get is that they're quite potent and pretty euphoric, but also cause tolerance surge in an even more difficult way than fentanyl and the withdrawals are very difficult to manage as a result.
 
I’m in az. And it’s hit or miss. The garbage is really prevalent. And top notch stuff, which a year ago was just regular old fetty, will cost you around $20 a point (0.1). I’ve heard that good stuff is still available in Cali around the coast, which I was tempted to take a road trip for. Can anyone confirm any of this hearsay?
 
This explains the 10% overdose drop in the country last month. I had two loved ones pass because of it last year. Thing is they were seeking out crystal and not fetty. I think if people are aware of what they're recieving it's good harm reduction...but to answer the question it's been in less substances in Ky. these last 6 months also
 
I’m in az. And it’s hit or miss. The garbage is really prevalent. And top notch stuff, which a year ago was just regular old fetty, will cost you around $20 a point (0.1). I’ve heard that good stuff is still available in Cali around the coast, which I was tempted to take a road trip for. Can anyone confirm any of this hearsay?
I don't know how the rest of California is doing but I keep reading that in the Bay Area quality is way down and prices are up, kinda like what it seems people all over are saying.
But I'm completely out of the loop as far as personal experience goes. Not my thing
 
Hey there everyone I had a question about chemical vendors. Being that there only seems to be bunk fetty around. Does anyone have any experience with ordering research chemicals ( of course not for human consumption research purposes only** )and if so any successful deliveries made to them? I'm from Southern California. Thanks for the info hope to hear from someone 🤘🤘
 
I’m in az. And it’s hit or miss. The garbage is really prevalent. And top notch stuff, which a year ago was just regular old fetty, will cost you around $20 a point (0.1). I’ve heard that good stuff is still available in Cali around the coast, which I was tempted to take a road trip for. Can anyone confirm any of this hearsay?

How many doses does a point (0.1 grams) equate to?

Given fentanyl's brief duration of action, does it have to be consumed more frequently than H (for example)? The vast majority of H users consume three doses per day and where I am, that's around 50mg per dose (a point costs £10 and my HR friends inform me that local H is around 50% pure).

I would not be at all surprised if a market for a much longer-acting opioid springs up. Long ago I knew a chemist in Russia who made methadone which was sold on the street because the state didn't and doesn't provide it.

FYI given it's huge potency, I suspect the doses of methadone needed to prevent WD in someone dependent on fentanyl might be dangerous as methadone is known to be cardiotoxic. A few years ago a friend got off H and was doing really well only to suffer a fatal heart attack. He was consuming something like 240mg methadone/day.

While by no means cheap, there is a methadone derivative shown to be some x212 methadone in potency and equally important, it's half-life is 20.5 hours compared with just 8 hours for methadone (although some methadone metabolites are active). Now ORLAAM was briefly used and proved convenient because it could be consumed three times a week BUT it proved to be even more cardiotoxic.

But as far as I know, levoacetylspiridone (a name used for convenience) is not cardiotoxic.


It's duration isn't as long as ORLAAM (a massive 2.6 days) but it strikes me that it may represent a medicine with a higher MOR affinity than most fentanyl analogues (thus it will blockade the receptors), has high oral bioavailability (no need for needles) and I think key, it appears that onset (when consumed orally) is very slow indeed. Combine slow onset and long duration and you have a medicine not suited to 'abuse'.

FYI until a few years ago Dutch HR agencies sometimes used a related high-potency, long-duration, slow-onset medication in substitution therapy but for political reasons it's usage was discontinued.

I find it hard to fathom that levoacetylspiridone isn't used medically. While one could not patent the compound, in this day and age I feel fairly certain that it's use in substitution therapy could be patented. I can only conclude that US culture still doesn't accept the disease model of addiction and thus isn't really trying to find a way to reduce the tidal wave of fatal overdoses.
 
Hey there everyone I had a question about chemical vendors. Being that there only seems to be bunk fetty around. Does anyone have any experience with ordering research chemicals ( of course not for human consumption research purposes only** )and if so any successful deliveries made to them? I'm from Southern California. Thanks for the info hope to hear from someone 🤘🤘
I use to order fentanyl analogues from China back in 2010. I used a site and always got my shipments. I would imagine that is not possible today. If you have a good site though there should be zero issues. I actually just looked at a site and they still have the fentanyl compound that is insane.
 
How many doses does a point (0.1 grams) equate to?

Given fentanyl's brief duration of action, does it have to be consumed more frequently than H (for example)? The vast majority of H users consume three doses per day and where I am, that's around 50mg per dose (a point costs £10 and my HR friends inform me that local H is around 50% pure).

I would not be at all surprised if a market for a much longer-acting opioid springs up. Long ago I knew a chemist in Russia who made methadone which was sold on the street because the state didn't and doesn't provide it.

FYI given it's huge potency, I suspect the doses of methadone needed to prevent WD in someone dependent on fentanyl might be dangerous as methadone is known to be cardiotoxic. A few years ago a friend got off H and was doing really well only to suffer a fatal heart attack. He was consuming something like 240mg methadone/day.

While by no means cheap, there is a methadone derivative shown to be some x212 methadone in potency and equally important, it's half-life is 20.5 hours compared with just 8 hours for methadone (although some methadone metabolites are active). Now ORLAAM was briefly used and proved convenient because it could be consumed three times a week BUT it proved to be even more cardiotoxic.

But as far as I know, levoacetylspiridone (a name used for convenience) is not cardiotoxic.


It's duration isn't as long as ORLAAM (a massive 2.6 days) but it strikes me that it may represent a medicine with a higher MOR affinity than most fentanyl analogues (thus it will blockade the receptors), has high oral bioavailability (no need for needles) and I think key, it appears that onset (when consumed orally) is very slow indeed. Combine slow onset and long duration and you have a medicine not suited to 'abuse'.

FYI until a few years ago Dutch HR agencies sometimes used a related high-potency, long-duration, slow-onset medication in substitution therapy but for political reasons it's usage was discontinued.

I find it hard to fathom that levoacetylspiridone isn't used medically. While one could not patent the compound, in this day and age I feel fairly certain that it's use in substitution therapy could be patented. I can only conclude that US culture still doesn't accept the disease model of addiction and thus isn't really trying to find a way to reduce the tidal wave of fatal overdoses.
I’ve heard about that Russian thing, yep, it’s really a thing over there

They have clandestine labs and synth just raw methadone crystals and its a street drug over there in areas where they can’t get heroin

I always found the buzz off of ‘done pretty gross feeling personally, my system just doesn’t respond well to it

As trashy and tacky as recreational abuse of MAT drugs may be, buprenorphine on a low tolerance is as good as it gets as far as safety and bang for your buck
 
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