The GHB/GBL Addiction & Withdrawal Thread

[Evad]

or just ask for an oral syringe? in my experience pharmacies will often give you oral syringes for nowt

 

[Ruffchuck]

Methylphenidate with G is fine, but will cause withdrawal symptoms to appear quite violently when you are due a dose of G. Stopping it when tapering the G is definitely a good idea.

Phenibut is legal to buy, possess and sell in the UK. Any other questions, just ask here.

Thanks for your help, have been on a mad one over BH with all sorts and at the moment just using valium 10's as necessary I feel too freaked out and weak to get to a health food shop to get the phenibut, and I think they'd have to order it.

Have been smoking skunk for 1st time in years and done a couple of trippy pills after being off eveything for several years. I think the other stuff has messed up my G routine.

Any advice Treacle as I have a straight night due tomorrow..

I take alll the specific B vits l5htp etc and high strength other things I have piked up (ie l tyrosine to counteract the abrubpt cessacion of the methylphenidate as the real stuff makes me more panicky as you quite rightly point out.)

Really haven't enjoyed adding all the other stuff in, it's been too much too soon, I am sure in moderation it'd have been more sensible. Lesson learned.

TBH I don't even know if I can be arsed to go thru this again, but I suppose we all say that, appeal is waning for me after a very short time, nothing's as good as I remembered it 'back in the day' LOL

I find you really helpful Treacle thanks and sorry for rambling.

I also appreciate everyone elses contributions by the way. learned a lot thru others, thank all x

 

[DS_]

3rd maybe 4th addiction successfully kicked. Downers are the best way of doing it in my opinion.

 

[Ruffchuck]

3rd maybe 4th addiction successfully kicked. Downers are the best way of doing it in my opinion.

Me too, used occsionally it's fantastic and I had no ill effects. It's this false sense of security that leads to things going awry.

Small, occasional, moderation and loads of B vits & L5htp.

IMO Valium with the above & buckets of strong camomile tea was the ONLY thing helped significantly to come off, but then beware your tolerance to valium rockets out of control VERY quickly. I'm on propanolol today. Valium had little impact on sleep last night, but my head is clearer today, mood lifted a bit & I don't feel as weak & as yet deffo not as anxious, panicky, irrational & paranoid. This wasn't just the gbl tho it was alot of skunk, speed & trippy pills on a coupla close together binges after years of relative clean living lol

Good luck to all those still struggling

 

[FriendlyToker]

I have a little problem with withdrawing GBL, symptoms I couldn't find anywhere.
Every time GBL comes off, I start to get heart palpitations. Really powerful ones, which include many symptoms of oncoming heart attack. 180-190/50-60, speeding up, down, slow, fast, palpitating, fibrillating, shaking my whole body and feeling as if I'm gonna have a heart attack (tingling in chest, tightness, variation of pulse, even yawning). That includes paresthesia too - feeling of like "strings of muscles" being stung, or veins being a strings that can't move with the body (as in - walking feels like half of the legs vein changed to a needle or an unbendable hose). I am wondering if there is any way this is something more than just GBL.
Also, the restless leg syndrome is getting to me. I spent half a night running around the house when I woke up on dopamine rebound, with jaw clenching, making nasty sound of breaking at some point but it still feels kind of normal. It stopped after some time though, to be more precise: a dose followed by comatosed sleep, but I am still doing GBL. Probably thanks to food, but I still fear that I'll start looking, and what is I fear most, feeling, like an amphetamine freak on a binge, feeling like dying, when I run out. Not as in wanting to die, that's something I could handle easily. Just feel like I actually am dying.
Akathisia is also constant, I contract the muscles of face and neck. Not actually grinding, but feeling just like I did when I overdosed on a very mild neuroleptic (Sulpiride). I also have an unpleasurable tingling in the fingers, like electrical jolts. I sometimes get kind of like spasm, a sudden outburst of motor neurons.
I am also severely dehydrated.
I am using it 24/7 from the first dose, for a month now. Now about 1.5-2ml every 2 hours. First doses were around 1.2-1.5ml, then it came up to 1.5ml, now hangs around 2ml/dose.


1. How slow should I withdraw GBL? What dose, how often, how, why, what? The problem is more difficult. I have aroung 10ml that has to last me till wednesday. I don't think I'm gonna make it that quick. Then I will be getting a new bottle of 250ml to taper off efficiently, because this one has its last 10ml inside.
2. What kind of supplements should I consume to help the hydration and nutrition?
3. What is the possible course, taking the fact that I am already in such a problem assuming I can't get GBL sooner than in three days from now?

I would wholeheartedly appreciate your answer.
Thank you for reading.

 

[brokenbrain]

Propranolol does work for the heat rate issues. Benzos do work for the anxiety issues. Promethezine does work for sleep, certainly after the first day as it is an anti-dopaminagenic as well as an anti-histamine.
I did successfully withdraw from using 2ml each time down to zero by dosing .1ml less every 4 hours. Lots of people can't do that though.

The only way I ever come off it now is by working out exactly what I'm going to do, writing it down and planning 48 hours away from people to do it in, as the reducing dose version was something I only did once and it was mega-fucking annoying.

I remember doing 3 weeks and at some point after it ran out getting a heart rate around 200 bpm or more for 2 days, well it went up and down as I did have lots of herbal sleep aids, and I am sure that If I was 15 or more years older I would probably have had a heart attack. It was like a drill.

Before you do anything make sure you are not going to be at work/parents/college when you go through the worst. I could not imagine a worse fate... All withdrawals from downers can be hellish and GBL can and will deliver beyond heroin or benzos in the first few days.

I've never been quite in your situation as I always either ran out or stopped at an appointed time, so that I didn't have to deal with DT's and the worst anxiety possible around people.

Alcohol can work, but everyone has different ways.

 

[FriendlyToker]

What about the heart rate and differences of pulse and the pressure? These are now killing me mostly, I can't use a betablocker (metoprolol is the one I have, 50mg-long release) because if the heart slowed down it would probably stop.
What about herbal supplements? Ginkgo, melissae, valerian and all that stuff?

 

[bignbrown]

been aroun 30 hours since last dose, have had no sleep but dont feel too bad tbh, ive had my valium taper dosages so now im just focusing on getting off both, gbl wd should not got any worse after this time, hoping i might get some sleep tonight.

 

[TJF]

So how much valium were you on, and for how long. And how did your taper look? Not trying to be nosey, just I'm not sure coming if G and benzos at the same time is a good plan.

 

[bignbrown]

it seems to be working ok, been off the gbl now for 48 hours and feel ok tbh, had no real wd symptoms except insomnia, currently on 18mg valium dropping 10% each 2 weeks so very gradual, hopefully shouldnt run into any trouble.

 

[hyroller]

Shambles can carry on a conversation starting on a Friday and ending on 3 am on a Sunday and still perform for his woman.

There need to be more men of this calibre

Seriously though... I've witnessed a few cases of G addiction and I cannot say I envy any of them... especially those who begin to become unable to properly digest food frpm what I hear, a fully-blown G addiction is much much worse than some of the more common drug afflictions out there....

 

[DS_]

I actually did a slower taper than dropping every hour, I think that's too quick. I'd suggest dropping your dose .1 lower than usual each day and try and stretch each dose out as far as possibly can. It's a good idea to benzo's for anxiety and sleep in my experience but don't use them too much as you'll be swapping one addiction for an even worse one.

 

[TJF]

it seems to be working ok, been off the gbl now for 48 hours and feel ok tbh, had no real wd symptoms except insomnia, currently on 18mg valium dropping 10% each 2 weeks so very gradual, hopefully shouldnt run into any trouble.

Ah, ok that sounds like a good plan. First 2 days are always the worst with G I reckon, and that's a nice slow valium taper.

I misread your previous post and thought you'd stopped the valium completely.

Good luck with the taper. I was on 7mg clanazepam (~140mg val equiv.) a day about a year ago, now I'm down to 6mg valium a day. Not far to go now!

 

[TJF]

Seriously though... I've witnessed a few cases of G addiction and I cannot say I envy any of them... especially those who begin to become unable to properly digest food

Ugghh, tell me about it. G munchies / puke cycles are not pleasant nor pretty.

 

[bignbrown]

or possible paranoia?

 

[Ruffchuck]

Just need an answer quickly if possible please. Can I mix a bit of GBL (which I am used to) with meph?

Did some meph for the 1st time last night used a capsule I get on script and replaced the inside with the meph so reckon 1st dose maybe 100mg, 150 absolute tops with 2 small lines. Did a similar bomb about5 hours later and sayed up overnight, was intending to go to bed today and get up later but have had a mate come over who needs somewhere to stay so I'm awake and intended to bomb 1 more capsule replaced with meph inside so I could stay awake.

Doh as I was cooking and fishing about in the kitchen for my guest they walked in as I was placing the capsule together and I chucked what I thought was the half closed 1 into my mouth and gulped a glass of water only to realise in my haste I had swallowed the 2 capsules (so maybe 200-300g).

Was noticibly shaking (by guest) has subsided now to a certain extent, not massively impressed with the effect whether or not it's affected me differently because of my ADHD or not I am uncertain but I stopped taking my ADHD meds (which are stimulant based) yesterday lunchtime.

I thought some GBL may be an option to take the edge off this so I can chill this afternoon, but I am loathe to mix much with meph especially so early on in my usage until I have run things through with some of the more experienced amongst you. I have taken some b vits l5 htp & omega 3, should've had some punk in, but that went pear shaped aswell.

I'm not in a dire mess but would some GBL be a nice mellow out to the afternoon. Sorry for cross posting this on here and the meph thread but I am seeking an answer quite quickly for obvious reasons.

Thanks

 

[hyroller]

Ugghh, tell me about it. G munchies / puke cycles are not pleasant nor pretty.

yeah, that's the thing...it seems to rouse the appetite, while working against the physical processes required for healthy digestion. quite scary as an onlooker

 

[jancrow]

Then there are the rats... If anything will make me take a break (other than running out and not ordering more instantly) it'll be these dreams cos they're straying into somewhat uncomfortable territory

You dream of rats? I dream of vermin when my noggin's not right and I'm worried about drifting into depressionville. Usually mice but on the last occasion there was a rat too. This will happen every single night until I start worrying about it in the daytime.

 

[bignbrown]

anyone wanna merge with ghb wd thread? Its a weird question i know but im sure ive read it somewhere before.

 

[brokenbrain]

My sense of smell is all over the show when I'm on it, so I can see this happening.
But does it smell of gas? Thats what some schizophrenics get before attacks, same with some epileptics.
I've smelt all sorts before. People seem to think that withdrawal or being on a drug only effects certain parts of you. But neurotransmitters work with all the sensory receptors.