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The GHB/GBL Addiction & Withdrawal Thread

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I don't mind Librium but I wouldn't go out of my way to get it. Pretty weak as benzos go but mellow. Good for anxiety probably. Knew a few alcoholics who where on Librium scripts (sold them for booze, of course) and most of the alkies in rehab where on big doses of it and pretty out of it at first. Once they got over the DTs anyway. Were a bit livelier then 8o
 
Shambles said:
I don't mind Librium but I wouldn't go out of my way to get it. Pretty weak as benzos go but mellow. Good for anxiety probably. Knew a few alcoholics who where on Librium scripts (sold them for booze, of course) and most of the alkies in rehab where on big doses of it and pretty out of it at first. Once they got over the DTs anyway. Were a bit livelier then 8o
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Tis mild I agree, but that warm benzo feeling you get from it, although it dunt last too long, is luverly compared to nitraz, temaz etc.

Even in small doses of 20 or 30mg(equivalent of 10mg diaze) it's strong compared to others... Just my opinion minds you.
 
yep, meant to say xyrem, got mixed up. Librium is good for the dts and the mental terrors (heebie geebies) that alkies get when going cold turkey. I needed it in pretty high doses though. In rehab, you get a massive dose to start with, thats tapered down over 5 or 6 days. First three days are good, then its fairly shite after that as reality starts to seep back in, and by day 5, you remember why you drank in the first place :\

Any benzo will do the trick, but librium is the oldest and mildest, and safest. Always a good idea if poss to have some standing by if you're on a big bender, and are prone to the negative mental symptoms that come after years of boozing.
 
Couldnt help but relate to the guys post at the top of the page.

The first time I came off GBL (after going through a 250ml bottle non stop), I had another 125ml bottle I was planning to try and taper with.

Anyway, girlfriend found it and emptied it away - the same night we were due to be going out for a christmas meal with the whole family!

Anyway, I decide to stick it out thinking I can just get drunk and 'soldier through' the withdrawal. So we gets to the restaurant (I am starting to feel withdrawal, I get cloudy vision and feel the blood draining from my face) get to the restaurant and drink a bottle of wine as quick as poss.

Must have been a funny night, I cant remember any of it but my parents say I started a fight with a family on the table next to us, whilst looking very pale and ill. At some point a women grabbed my balls and squeezed really hard, -must have offfended her. But anyway, the police turn up and someone our family managed to make it look like it was the other familys fault - they were asked to leave and we apparently got our meal for free.

Shortly after that I collapsed in front of my whole family "looking like i was on drugs" (and i'm not young) quite embarrasing.

Next day I had a bit of a hangover but no other withdrawal symptoms.. I was taking a lot of other drugs though so maybe i didnt notice it.

Anyway, I have a question as its all been a bit unfathamable in the past, as a general rule - how long can one use GHB 24/7 until the withdrawal kicks in? I know everyones different but as a general guide?

I am using it to come of Opiates and have been on GHB for 5 days now - how long before a rest is in order?
 
maggiegbl said:
Shortly after that I collapsed in front of my whole family "looking like i was on drugs" (and i'm not young) quite embarrasing.

Next day I had a bit of a hangover but no other withdrawal symptoms.. I was taking a lot of other drugs though so maybe i didnt notice it.

Anyway, I have a question as its all been a bit unfathamable in the past, as a general rule - how long can one use GHB 24/7 until the withdrawal kicks in? I know everyones different but as a general guide?

I am using it to come of Opiates and have been on GHB for 5 days now - how long before a rest is in order?
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And you didn't get sectioned? They must have been some relaxed policemen!

To answer your question (if using GBL, I haven't ever got addicted to GHB) Then it depends how long you have been using it over the years. I would say that it can kick in straight away after one dose:|
You really need a withdrawal plan. Treacle uses Baclofen and phenibut and swears by them as they are also gaba-b agonists.
I personally use promethezine, codiene, lorazepam, chlordiazepoxide, phenazepam and ground opium pods swallowed, about 5 spoonfulls rather than the 8 I would usually use. Avoid alcohol like the plague with my mixture as death is a possibility.

I have found that about 2.5 days and minimum dosing gets me through the first day and after that I can face the world. I have been only doing a few days a week recently because of this. I did a few 17 dayers earlier in the year and after day one was drinking a bottle of gin a day for a week:|
 
The police werent there when i collapsed and there attention was mainly on the other table of people who had rather over-reacted to my provocations and were shouting and roaring.

Anyhow, still not clear on my question. Some of the papers say 3 months before withdrawal. some say 5 days..

Whats true. I had to have been using it for weeks previously to get a negative withdrawal. I'm trying to make an educated guess as to how long I can get away with at the moment.
 
Everyone is different. No one can really say. If I took the stuff now, it would be one dose, and I'd feel shit after. You should be able to tell by not taking it for four or five hours, and seeing how you feel.
 
Thanks Treacle.

I usually take a benzo as the ghb is wearing off, then sleep through til morn.

Do you reckon the fact that I am taking the night as a break from the ghb will avoid withdrawals?
 
maggiegbl said:
Couldnt help but relate to the guys post at the top of the page.

The first time I came off GBL (after going through a 250ml bottle non stop), I had another 125ml bottle I was planning to try and taper with.

Anyway, girlfriend found it and emptied it away - the same night we were due to be going out for a christmas meal with the whole family!

Anyway, I decide to stick it out thinking I can just get drunk and 'soldier through' the withdrawal. So we gets to the restaurant (I am starting to feel withdrawal, I get cloudy vision and feel the blood draining from my face) get to the restaurant and drink a bottle of wine as quick as poss.

Must have been a funny night, I cant remember any of it but my parents say I started a fight with a family on the table next to us, whilst looking very pale and ill. At some point a women grabbed my balls and squeezed really hard, -must have offfended her. But anyway, the police turn up and someone our family managed to make it look like it was the other familys fault - they were asked to leave and we apparently got our meal for free.

Shortly after that I collapsed in front of my whole family "looking like i was on drugs" (and i'm not young) quite embarrasing.
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Lol, that is a great story =D Although probably not as funny for you...

As for getting withdrawals, I would say that even a couple of days on 24/7 will lead to some mild withdrawals (hard tog et to sleep, maybe some mild anxiety). Any more than a couple of days and you will probably feel like shit coming off it. Then again that does depend on how new to the stuff you are, and if you have converted it to GHB.
 
maggiegbl said:
Do you reckon the fact that I am taking the night as a break from the ghb will avoid withdrawals?
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To some extent. If you can sleep through without the G, then you certainly haven't got proper withdrawals. However, it won't be long before the benzos stop keeping you asleep, and you're reaching for the G. Be warned. :)
 
I think I'm getting withdrawals. I've not been able to get a full nights sleep without gbl for a little while now.
 
I was awake all night last night from 11pm - 7am and it was 3.5 days since I took any. I was fine on Saturday, Sunday and Monday till I went to bed.
I took a few benzos/propranolol and lay there. I don't know if I was spiked or not...there is a possibility that someone may have given me something. I slept all day after.
Will see how tonight goes.
I have been taking guice 2 -4 days a week for a month or so now, everytime there is something that sets it off. I'm seriously going to attempt to get a week without and then see how it goes.
I really need to find someone I trust, to leave bottles with. If that happened then It would be an awful lot harder to just restart.

I'm doing pretty well in other areas of my life, but substances have been going down hill.
Obviously no matter how much I have access to there is only a fininite amount till whatever new level of hell that approaches.

I took 1g mephedrone and a bunch of other stuff last Thur/Fri and it would have been absolutely horrific to end it without GBL. Instead I managed to get back on track.
 
I cant believe how imprudent it is to recommend PHENIBUT to someone who has an GHB abuse pattern of consumption. Sorry for my poor english yall im french... PHENIBUT causes withdrawal symptoms as early as 5 days straight consumption, wich is obviosly what a ghb abuser will do. Ive taken ridiculously high amounts of phenibut after my last ghb withdrawal (in wich the withdrawal from the benzos they gave me at the clinic was the worst part). Like a heaping spoonful in the morning , one at noon and one or two the evening... In the beginning just a big spoonful makes u vomit the next morning.... The effects from large doses of phenibut causes euphoria , a LOT of energy but not in the speedy freaky paranois way , the ghb-type energy..., an unusual desire for sex, even after uve just cummed u still want it, it never ends..., profound sleep, confidence, talkativeness(?).... the phenibut stays really long in your body, in the beggining a dose makes u high all day, and the next morning ure still fuct up and happy all day. Soooo when u withdrawal the process is loooong and paaaainful , it seems like it never ends. Withdrawal from GHB with a tapering process is possible with a lot of heart, but with phenibut..phewww... i dont see how u could live all that shit with no benzos to ease the pain. I had trazodone and Restoril to help. Finished that with SUN-THEANINE ..the whole shit lasted about 3.5 weeks...HELL...

GHB withdrawals symptoms are more immediate, 4 hours later ure tensed, palpitations, anxiety, not feeling at ease , these weene off more wuickly than phenibut...

PHENIBUT withdrawals symptoms creep up on u ... lots of palpitations but an urge to cry , insomnia for weeks, no libido watsoever and it lasts so long...

Im scared to touch that shit again, even after bein on everything u can imagine and takin them the worst way possible....

have fun but yo dont EVER take phenibut more than once every two weeks...good luck
 
bignbrown said:
suffering bad WD's now, been at it 24/7 for a week maybe 8 days, i know this may not seem alot but ive been through minor wd's before and also benzo WD so gaba drug withdrawals come back fucking quick for me, im just wondering this shouldnt be enough to have a seizure or anything should it? I gave in and dosed a while ago but ive given the bottle to a friend so im just gonna cold turkey it for a few days, Im suffering from bad insomnia, very bad anxiety, feel like my whole body is tensed up like fuck, weird tingling/feeling in my head, just want to know that 7-8 days of 24/7 use isnt enough for something serious to happen like a seizure on rebound is it?
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I wouldn't have thought so but from what I've read it depends on how many times you've relapsed.
 
still feel awful, didnt really have enough alcohol to feel anything ffs, looks like im gonna be awake all night tonight :(
 
Hi guys. Just an update:

I had another slip recently and ended up 24/7 with GBL again because i'm a fool.

But good news...hopefully this will help someone:

Vitamin B12. Seems this gets very low with alcoholics and from my experience now, even more so with GBL use.

Upon trying to discontinue my GBL use i got the usual WD's, but then took 2x 1000uG B12 supplements. Within 3 hrs...BANG! WD's gone.

I'm not saying this will help everyone but def worth a try, they're not medication as such, just supplements. Multivitamins or vit B complex won't come close to the required dose - you need specifically B12. 1000uG = 1mG = 100,000% RDA


Good luck everyone ;)

nigel
 
hospital detox

I''ve relapsed badly, and just cannot stop myself using this stuff 24/7. I'm being admitted to a secure unit to detox for 2-4 weeks, as they're all worried about my comas8o Just territory familiar to anyone with an addictive personality. I've managed to stash some so that I don't have to detox til i get in, though family think i've not been taking any. Yeah, right.

I went to the doc to ask for something to help me withdraw and do a home detox, and I finally owned up to the fact I've been caning it on and off since september. The doc was going to give me a home detox to be supervised by family, but when he realised the extent of my addiction, and the fact I'd had to be resuscitated a few times, he made an emergency referral to the local drug people, who had helped me a few years ago. When I told them the underlying reasons why I wanted to block things out, and the nature of my od's on gbl, they put me straight to the top of the list, as they all told me i'd die very soon, if I kept on with the gbl.

The b12 info should be useful and I'll try it shis afternoon. I've been terrified to stop taking gbl cold turkey as I can't go through the real life Saw movie hallucinations - I saw four people in the room with my family about to execute us last time, and I lived in that horror 24/7 for three days. It really was like something out of the Exorcist, and the difference was thatt to me it was absolutely real - I didn't know they were hallucinations.

Just take care with this stuff. Its the most dangerous stuff I've ever taken, and has turned my life into a living hell since September.

I'm thinking about keeping an emergency dose to od with if things don't work out as I got it in the first place after reading how easy it was to check out on.
 
Wow, thats some serious shit. I didn't realise G could be so punishing with its WD's. Good to hear that your getting some help though, I hope things work out...I wouldn't wish what you've been through on my worst enemy. Can I ask how long you've been taking G? Only since September?
 
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