RCs The Ethylphenidate (Ethyl phenyl(piperidin-2-yl)acetate) Megathread V1

[b3ast1e]

Totally Grondelduck, couldn't agree more. I've definitely had tremendous fun with ehp for the fast onset and light initial rush, speed and clarity of thought and a nice little body buzz, the combination of which had little impact on daily life and interaction with others (aside from the need to talk their arses off), but if I was after euphoria there are far more reliable ways of getting it than ethylphenidate. If I ever did feel that after taking a gram of it over 8 days, it was so subtle as to be barely worthy of note. I wish I were one of those who found that to be a reliable characteristic, but perhaps they have a less strict definition of what they consider to be euphoria than I do.

I can appreciate just how valuable some of these substances are to those who genuinely need them as an aid to making their body chemistry compatible with living a normal life. But I'm lucky enough not to be one of them, and I'm not sorry to see the back of this one. I'd never be able to settle on another ROA either, stuffing things up my nose and getting an almost instantaneous payoff is at least 50% of the fun for me, in the same way that other people love the feel of a needle in a vein. But if the drip is anything to go by then this stuff is indiscriminately flesh eating. As for methods of washing it to tame it's god awful corrosive ways, I'll leave all that faffing about to people who genuinely feel the benefit of maintaining it's use.

That sounds like I wasn't impressed overall. I was, but for those of us who use stims purely for recreation, this is viable, fun, but far from a game changer.

 

[trammies]

So, yesterday evening, I took the bag I got the two grams in. Cut it with a stanley blade. Scraped it. Snorted one tiny last line.
Thus ends my use of this strange yet wonderful stimulant.
...Until next time

I'm proud I made the two grams last so long, first dose was on the 22nd of December. Shared a fair bit of the stuff out, got two friends interested in drugs.

 

[knock]

So, yesterday evening, I took the bag I got the two grams in. Cut it with a stanley blade. Scraped it. Snorted one tiny last line.
Thus ends my use of this strange yet wonderful stimulant.
...Until next time

What would you say is strange about it? Genuinely interested

 

[polaroid]

I'm looking for some help for study. I've tried Methylphenidate a few days ago for the first time. It was like 10-15mg oral. I had a good learning effect from it.

Would this work with Ethylphenidate too? How much should i take for learning? I would only take it oral, don't want to snort it.

 

[trammies]

What would you say is strange about it? Genuinely interested

It's so clear-headed and nice, and brilliantly sociable. Makes you feel genuinely smarter and faster on low doses, and gets more and more fun as doses rise.
I've never had a stimulant that is equally functional, fun and sociable, all at the same time, just as this is.

 

[cannibalsnail]

Yep. Me and 2 friends made a bag of 500mg last a week by only doing 20mg oral doses twice a day. Improves focus but doesn't speed up thought like Ritalin.

 

[_Synapse]

This is something that always kept me away from stimulants. After a few days you just go crazy, it doesn't happen with depressants. And even if it happened in both cases, stimulants are just about euphoria and it's inferior to opioids' euphoria. Opioids always let me both be more social or forget about the world depending on the dose. With stimulants sitting alone is the worst thing.

I enjoy being alone on stimulants. It depends on the dose, and set and setting, not just physically but mentally/emotionally prior to taking it... depends on your day basically... I feel more anxiety in public sometimes... again my use is different, or feels different with people being around to me because my life has taken many different changes and turns since I was a tweaking mad man 2-4 years ago with dexedrine before now getting it again, my goal is different I found... hell the drug feels different to me now,, all stims do its set and setting for all....


this ethylphenidate sounds very very promising and interesting... how does it compare to dexamphetamine in high oral dosages? I.E. I'll take 50-60mg IR dexedrine and the euphoria is not evident like it use to be... this is after a break of strictly abusing it in ER caps and other forms... 60-90mg at once in the past... usually 75... that was in 2008... tolerance is still very apparent... so how would this ethylphenidate be for me in a moderate dose... lets say 50-80mg orally... I would get some if its cheap enough...

I would take 50-60 and move up not just 80 don't worry lol, that is all orally too...

I will not snort it either I take my drugs with tums (well stims) 30 min prior and then drop in mouth and wash it down with magnesium and pottassium, can I do the same thing?

Yep. Me and 2 friends made a bag of 500mg last a week by only doing 20mg oral doses twice a day. Improves focus but doesn't speed up thought like Ritalin.

this is what hooked me into wanting to try it mainly... after reading from page one to now...


do you see this drug being used as a pharmaceutical ever? And also when the drug is 99.9% pure from the vendor... is it racemic mixture or is it all dextro or whatnot you know what I mean about the isomers... I see how clean it looks in effects I mean, thats why I'm guessing its dextro but I could be wrong...

 

[_Synapse]

whoa whoa i looked up online well wikipedia and it says its produced similar to cocathylene (sp) with simultaneous ingestion (in vivo or in vitro I would imagine its done chemically as its being sold already as ethylphenidate... so just mixing with ethanol would cause the reaction)

so can you produce this drug in your body by taking ritalin and shit with alcohol at the same time? just wondering thats all.

 

[trammies]

Yep. Me and 2 friends made a bag of 500mg last a week by only doing 20mg oral doses twice a day. Improves focus but doesn't speed up thought like Ritalin.

I respectfully disagree.
Unless you're comparing them, as opposed to making a statement about EPH. I haven't had teh pleasure to try Ritalin yet.

whoa whoa i looked up online well wikipedia and it says its produced similar to cocathylene (sp) with simultaneous ingestion (in vivo or in vitro I would imagine its done chemically as its being sold already as ethylphenidate...

so can you produce this drug in your body by taking ritalin and shit with alcohol at the same time? just wondering thats all.

Yep, it was more commonly found in overdose situations of people abusing Ritalin and Alcohol. Cited by Wiki and other sites.

do you see this drug being used as a pharmaceutical ever? And also when the drug is 99.9% pure from the vendor... is it racemic mixture or is it all dextro or whatnot you know what I mean about the isomers... I see how clean it looks in effects I mean, thats why I'm guessing its dextro but I could be wrong...

Vendors are stating it's racemic, but whether that is so could be questionable without analysis.

 

[JedTheHumanoid]

Got a stag weekend with a lot of people i don't know very well in a few months. This seems ideal to get me through the weekend.

Apart from the usual HR caveats, are there any particular reasons not to combine this with alcohol and some (probably completely shit or in short supply) coke..?

 

[Grondelduck]

Got a stag weekend with a lot of people i don't know very well in a few months. This seems ideal to get me through the weekend.

Apart from the usual HR caveats, are there any particular reasons not to combine this with alcohol and some (probably completely shit or in short supply) coke..?

Use responsibly and you should be fine. Got no scientific facts to back this up, but it goes quite well with alcohol. Threw 2mg of etizolam to soothen it all a bit op top of 2 40mg oral doses and it's treating me well. Good for a night of just hanging out and playing some games and have some beers with mates at home. I'd recommend against the coke, but I haven't tried so myself. The coke-high is nice enough on it's own, might as well use that on another event imo. Cheers

 

[Transform]

Tried 45mg + 25mg insufflated half an hour apart yesterday.

Very subtle, not much aside from sweaty palms, dry mouth, blocked nose and stimulation akin to 20-30mg of methylphenidate sublingually.

Definite downside though, exactly as I find for MPD, there is a miserable crash afterwards where I am tired, irritable and have a pretty flat mood. not at all conducive for getting anything done. With the shorter duration, the ratio of comedown to stimulation is definitely not worth it. Don't think I'll bother again, all side effects and no effects.


Edit: The crash came at about t+4 hours after the last dose. I get 6-8 out of mph.
I definitely prefer MPA for it's longer duration and less subtle effects.
The burn was really quite unpleasant. I avoid insufflating as much as possible for stimulants, and I'll be happy to contuinue that practice.

 

[Where Wolf?]

Got a stag weekend with a lot of people i don't know very well in a few months. This seems ideal to get me through the weekend.

Apart from the usual HR caveats, are there any particular reasons not to combine this with alcohol and some (probably completely shit or in short supply) coke..?

I never think it's a great idea to mix straight stimulants, and have read that coke combinations with amphetamines are particularly rough on the heart (which is not to say I haven't done them, in times of high stim tolerance, but I found that base just overpowered the coke). Ethlyphenidate is a weaker version of an amphetamine analogue, and I've had a few beers on it to no ill effect, but given that the body produces it from combinations of Ritalin and booze anyway, I'd be careful about drinking heavily on the stuff, especially using it as fuel through a stag weekend of beer, shots, cocktails and total dehydration. And from what you say, your coke supply (like most people's, these days) is unreliable - which might mean that what's sold as coke is anyway a mix of RC analogues like synthocaine or even simple lidocaine to mimic coke's aneasthetic effect, bucked up with anything from caffeine to MPA, MPDV, Naphyrone or a random mix of post-ban cathinones. So it's as risky as buying branded 'bath salts' with flashy names and unlisted ingredients, unless you luck out, and there's no way of knowing what you'd actually be mixing: on top of large amounts of booze, such a cocktail could be anything from mildly risky to inviting comedown hell to a fast ride to psychosis or even heart failure. I wouldn't risk it.

As to ethylphenidate itself, I approached it carefully after reading reports on this thread and elsewhere of painful insufflation. Thanks to the posters who've put up pictures: there are definitely at least two batches doing the rounds. I received a sample of the finer crystalline powder with few shards, and it doesn't seem particularly corrosive - insufflation's certainly less painful than with meph or bootleg 'phet. Maybe I'm just too experienced with strong amphetamines, though I did find Ritalin proper both an excellent functional stim and a pleasant, mild rush - but ethylphen is definitely a good deal milder than methyl. Early speculation suggested it would be more euphoric than Ritalin - I'd say it's considerably subtler, quite long-lasting with oral use, and not quite as 'focused'. But as functional stims go, it's better than MPA, and I've always had mixed results with modafinil/armodafinil - though I may experiment with a low dose combination of modafinil and ethylphenidate.

Like a lot of RCs, individual responses seem to differ pretty wildly - I got nothing from camfetamine to speak of, and a lot of people on this thread have found ethylphenidate to be all-but inactive orally. Although it didn't scorch my nostrils, I'm still wary of insufflation, and have found a gelcap of 50mgs or so to produce a pretty decent effect - roughly equivalent, for stimulation, to 20-25mgs oral methyphenidate, with a bit less focus and all-around euphoric glow. I suspect higher doses, depending on tolerance, would increase side-effects without adding many positives to the experience. Even at moderate doses, the rebound insomnia's pretty long-lasting.

Does anyone know if the Rennie effect - potentiating amphetamine with calcium carbonate - works with Ritalin/ethylphenidate?

 

[Tryptamite]

Definite downside though, exactly as I find for MPD, there is a miserable crash afterwards where I am tired, irritable and have a pretty flat mood. not at all conducive for getting anything done. With the shorter duration, the ratio of comedown to stimulation is definitely not worth it. Don't think I'll bother again, all side effects and no effects.

My sentiments exactly.

I'm going to use up the rest of this half g on when I'm drinking with mates AND ive got a few benZos on hand for bed time.

I stupidly IVed some as well and I'm only posting this to potentially save some else the negative impact on health by saying DONT BOTHER, it's shit.

I was a bit disappointed actually because I'd gotten my hopes up from a few posts in the various threads.

Possibly better a stim than some of the rcs on the market ATM but doesn't compare to amphetamine or coke, or as already pointed out even methylphenidate.

Personally I'm am going to try and source some speed.

Had some proper coke recently as well, was deliciously satisfying in everything but price.

 

[Utahrd]

for people that use it/have used it, do you find ethylphenidate to be more recreational, or could it be used effectively as a study drug? I've found both ritalin as well as adderall to allow me to focus in school (DUH) in the past, but there's no way in hell I'm getting an ADD/ADHD diagnosis, let alone be able to find a pharmacy able to fill a script on either of those ATM. (aren't all the stimulant medications for attention deficit in short supply due to DEA annual production caps?) and so I am looking for alternatives, EPD or 4-FA look like decent choices, but I'd like an experienced opinion; do either of those work well for school, or are they simply more recreational etc?

I'll subscribe to the thread and make sure to come back for a response!

 

[trammies]

EPH worked well the few times I tried it in school, aye.

Never tried 4-FA though. Maybe you could get small samples of each to compare them?

 

[JedTheHumanoid]

Thanks for the advice everyone. I think maybe you are right... In the sober light of day doesn't seem a great idea to be test running some unknown RC in the midst of a booze fuelled weekend with people I don't know. Hopefully sort something decent out.

 

[Transform]

My sentiments exactly.

I'm going to use up the rest of this half g on when I'm drinking with mates AND ive got a few benZos on hand for bed time.

I stupidly IVed some as well and I'm only posting this to potentially save some else the negative impact on health by saying DONT BOTHER, it's shit.

I was a bit disappointed actually because I'd gotten my hopes up from a few posts in the various threads.

All too often I think the people who don't enjoy new RCs don't bother posting in these threads, and they become a bit of an advertisement for the good side.

I'd like to add that it has left my nose in an odd way for the last 48 hours too, strangely dry after the initial blocking with occasional bloody mucous. Not serious and possibly unrelated, but worth being aware of.

Utahrd - I think 4-FA is fairly well agreed to be much more suited to partying than studying, whereas 2 and 3-FA are more the opposite.

 

[Utahrd]

EPH worked well the few times I tried it in school, aye.

Never tried 4-FA though. Maybe you could get small samples of each to compare them?

All too often I think the people who don't enjoy new RCs don't bother posting in these threads, and they become a bit of an advertisement for the good side.

I'd like to add that it has left my nose in an odd way for the last 48 hours too, strangely dry after the initial blocking with occasional bloody mucous. Not serious and possibly unrelated, but worth being aware of.

Utahrd - I think 4-FA is fairly well agreed to be much more suited to partying than studying, whereas 2 and 3-FA are more the opposite.

Thanks a ton for the responses! I will look into 2 and 3-FA.

Agreed, I found MXE to be not quite the recreational I thought it was from reading the forums, but bought it before seeing the structure of 6-APB. Which is next on the list.

 

[InterzoneAgent]

Thanks to the posters who've put up pictures: there are definitely at least two batches doing the rounds.

Where are the pictures? I remember seeing them when i checked this thread some time ago, but can't find them anymore...

I got a new batch of this and thou it looks pretty much like the last one (sugar-like crystals, some bigger than rest, looks a bit like crystal K maybe) it's much weaker. 32 mg's insuffilated felt like ~10-15 mg's of last batch... At first i was about to say it didn't burn nearly as much as that but i have to take it back after redosing. It's still as nasty as ever. The cognitive effects feel so much weaker, maybe i'm just imagining it? However it definitely feels so. Real disappointment since i naturally wouldn't want to snort this any bit more than necessary...

Just having a look now, I imagine acetone would be most suitable, it is very easy to get and most amine salts are sparingly soluble in it.

Yes, you might lose 5% of your active product, but this is a small price to pay for your continued health. Septum surgery costs a LOT more than a gram of EPD

Edit: 39mg of EPD was almost totally insoluble in 2.5mls of warm (undried) acetone. Crush your crystals to a fine powder, place in a cone of filter paper in a funnel and rinse it with 3x5mls washes of cold acetone.

So doing this makes it less painful and harmful to snort, it is confirmed? The impurites that cause the burning are soluble in nonpolar solvents then?

What grade acetone you would need to use for this so it won't leave any impurities behind after evaporating off?