• 💊 OTHER DRUGS 💊 Welcome Guest
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
    Notable Threads 1 Notable Threads 2
    Dangerous Combos Addiction Support
    Emergency Services Benzo Guide v.1
    Addiction Stories Scary Case Studies
    Biology, Pharmacology & Drugs 101
  • Select Your Topic Then Scroll Down
    Alcohol Bupe Benzos
    Cocaine Heroin Opioids
    RCs Stimulants Misc
    Harm Reduction All Topics Gabapentinoids
    Tired of your habit? Struggling to cope?
    Want to regain control or get sober?
    Visit our Recovery Support Forums

RCs The Ethylphenidate (Ethyl phenyl(piperidin-2-yl)acetate) Megathread V1

Status
Not open for further replies.
Folley said:
So what would be the best way to convert the Methyl to Ethyl? If it's possible..
Click to expand...

Possible yes, practical no. Would require a lot more effort than would be necessary, you could more easily make it from other more commercially available chemicals.
 
knockando said:
Even with a nasal water-bath first? It does take away the sting as it dilutes the chemical and spreads it more evenly across your membranes. And I get more of a rush (a very pleasant dopamine rush) sniffing the stuff as compared to plugging or oral, which surprised me a bit. Stuff is highly water soluble though so that'll help absorption (compared with o-dt in particular, which only readily dissolves with applied heat and I find to be rubbish up the nose but great up the rear. I miss that stuff :( but that's another story and my poppy pods arrive tomorrow!). Might be worth dissolving some and snorting the solution! I'll try that next.)


EDIT OK I dissolved ~30mg and sniffed the water, still feels a bit harsh! Less than sniffing powder/crystal on a dry nose but not good all the same. OK... What's to be done? Best ROA for effects (IMO) turns out to be worst ROA for (nasal) defects...

EDIT AGAIN: I think that for the combined euphoria and stimulation to be obtained from EPH, 3-MeO-PCP or indeed ...E is a much more interesting drug that does not fuck up your holes. But 3-MeO-PCP/E also lead to craziness which is not always desirable; certainly I couldn't study anything on a significant dose of 3-MeO-PCP/E. Plus they last much longer, sometimes too long.

CONCLUSION a (1) shortish-acting, (2) functional, (3) euphoric, (4) non-flesh-eating stimulant would be a nice thing. EPH ticks boxes 1, 2 and 3 but fails on 4. The 3-MeO-PCXs tick boxes 3 and 4 but fail on 1 and 2. Actually they can be functional and tick box 2 but that requires moderate dosing and refusal to redose - virtues I possess in moderate quantities only.

So what can be done... what can be done... Perhaps it's worth "purifying" the EPH to see if it's a synth remnant / by-product which is causing the burn? Not sure how I would go about that other than performing a recrystallisation which, to my knowledge, does not guarantee any more purity than the input material.

Another option might be a low dose of a 3-MeO-PCX combined with a low dose of EPH. I may look into this. Low doses of 3-MeO-PCP are often undetectable (for me anyway), I've plugged 7mg of the stuff and noticed no alteration from baseline, then later added MXE and had paradigm-altering experiences. Perhaps therein lies a route to sensible, short, stimulated satisfaction sans serious septum scorching. I may experiment.
Click to expand...

I do not recall making this post. Fuck's sake. I jumped out of a window shortly after, FYI.
 
DistyBoi said:
Possible yes, practical no. Would require a lot more effort than would be necessary, you could more easily make it from other more commercially available chemicals.
Click to expand...

I was hinking the same thing when I passed it. It's like trying to do it the hard way. But I guess when it comes to some analogs they can be easily brokedown and made into its mock. I'm not a chemist though.
 
DistyBoi said:
Possible yes, practical no. Would require a lot more effort than would be necessary, you could more easily make it from other more commercially available chemicals.
Click to expand...

Well when you take methylphenidate with alcohol it's supposed to form ethylphenidate...

so what would be the best way to maximize that conversion? I don't want to actually change the chemical from one to the other lol...
 
Lol what a way to entire a forum, I don't think it was what I was taking sleep derivation has some really powerful effects, I'm still up trying to revise basically a semester on Human Physiology and Clinical Genetics in 24 hours. I'm hallucinating at this point. Ethylphenite as apropriate, caffeinated energy drink and the ol' American traditional home calmative remedy benzo and opiates for the symptom control.
 
DistyBoi said:
Possible yes, practical no. Would require a lot more effort than would be necessary, you could more easily make it from other more commercially available chemicals.
Click to expand...

Well the difference between them is literally one carbon and two hydrogens along the respectice location of the chemicals chain, to speak of it in terms of chemical structure it's simple and it would be something in my depth of capacity by the time I can get full Fellow access to lab but on a someone who's asking about it after they had just found glee in exploiting the variation of Paracetamol and Codeine's water solubulities with a plastic cup, a fridge and their mothers tights I'd move on.

If it's of any interest or help to the person asking chemically the simplicity of the change youd be making structurally at a molecular level it would look like this, basically a brief point on organic chemistry, most things are "made" out of carbon, carbon linked to another carbon to another etc with hydrogens saturating the free bonds of each carbon is what organic chemistry is, obviously you have functional groups going in there creating all the different chemical behaviour but for example alchohol you drink is an alchohol called ethanol, an alchohol is an organic compound i.e C chain with on it's sturcture an OH group replacing one of the H's the OH being a an alchohol functional group, being "Eth" that in organic chemistry means two so alchohol looks like this (the equal sign is because it is an unsaturated bond)


.............H..................... OH
...................C....=.....C
.............H........................ H



Anyways thats what gets you drunk on fridays.

So a methyl group is basically the most basic functional group being "one" branding from the chain so methylphenidate represented in prose with the main chain just not filled in for sake of showing you





Methyl phenidate somewhere where ever the methyl group lies
C - C -C -C -C -C -C -C -C -C -C -C -C -C
|
H - C - H
|
H​

<--- that is a methyl (one unit)


So if we just put Ethylphenidate here this is literally the only difference which makes them

C - C -C -C -C -C -C -C -C -C -C -C -C -C
|
H - C - H
|
H -C - H
|
H​

And that is an ethyl group

If you could do the synth that's what you would of changed and would see if it was actually possible to see chemical structures.


This took me a while hope it was helpful man.

Later

The formatting on here is really hard to get to grips working with the lines to get everything in proper shape is there some option I have pressed that I shouldnt have
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Still getting the sickest paranoia from it, didn't do in the beginning, and never had it so insane on other stims.. Damn I think I just drop this one, It's not worth it..
 
Its weird how people find it odd to get so many side effects when a prescribed dose of this medication (methyl variety basically the same) is 10mg. Start with nearly 10x the prescribed dose at 80mg, and binging on it till you get to a gram in a session is 100x more dosage-wise than a doctor would likely ever prescribe! Theres a fucking good reason for that.

I think this is great as a study aid or a work toold @ 10-30mg, but recreational doses that some people are doing of this will likely leave you mildly depressed for a week or two, kill your sex drive, maybe give you paranoia or psychosis and you will become hugely tolerant very quickly.
 
DistyBoi said:
Its weird how people find it odd to get so many side effects when a prescribed dose of this medication (methyl variety basically the same) is 10mg. Start with nearly 10x the prescribed dose at 80mg, and binging on it till you get to a gram in a session is 100x more dosage-wise than a doctor would likely ever prescribe! Theres a fucking good reason for that.

I think this is great as a study aid or a work toold @ 10-30mg, but recreational doses that some people are doing of this will likely leave you mildly depressed for a week or two, kill your sex drive, maybe give you paranoia or psychosis and you will become hugely tolerant very quickly.
Click to expand...
In my little experience with this substance, a dose at 10-35mg's made no noticable effect. Just because it's an analog doesn't mean the dose is going to be the same as what it was made to mock.
DistyBoi said:
*Loads up crack pipe with some ethylphenidate*
Click to expand...
Tell me how that goes for you.
 
A few observations from my use over the past 2 days:

The burn from insufflation wasn't half as bad as I'd expected after reading a lot of the reports on here. Sure, it wasn't pleasant, but it was far from agonizing. That said, everybody's perception to pain is different, so maybe I just got lucky in that respect. However, I did take a few precautionary measures to minimize the burn before i vacuumed the stuff up. Crush the powder as finely as possible. The stuff as packaged resembles needle sharp shards of glass; for the sake of preserving my nasal passage as best as possible, I thought it best to pulverize the stuff into dust. Secondly, as a number of other posters have mentioned, a quick snort of water up the nose beforehand seems to produce less of a sting than insufflating 'dry'.

Many users reported that ethylphenidate produced no or very little euphoria. At about T+0:15 I felt extremely euphoric. Unfortunately this only lasted about 5 minutes (this on a dose of perhaps 30-50mg).

My biggest reservation about taking ethylphenidate was fear of the crash. I very, very rarely use stimulants, as I find the feelings of anxiety and dread I get once the positive effects have worn off completely unbearable. It's worth noting that my mental health over the past few years has been fairly poor (diagnoses: depression, generalized anxiety disorder, social anxiety disorder). Before my mental health starting going tits up, I had a very enjoyable experience on methylphenidate, with a fairly painless comedown. Trying the drug again a couple of years later produced vastly different effects. The high was very short lived; the comedown was in all sincerity one of the most unpleasant experiences I think I've ever had.

So I guess it was pretty stupid of me to buy a gram of ethylphenidate. However my mental health, especially the anxiety, has improved somewhat since last year, so i thought I'd risk it. Not wise. Whilst the crash was by no means as awful as my last methylphenidate comedown, it still made me feel profoundly uneasy. Thankfully I had some benzos at hand; 5mg diazepam was an absolute godsend, smothering a great deal of the agitation and anxiety.

So what am I trying to say here? I guess my advice to anybody interested in trying ethylphenidate, especially if they have any sort of anxiety disorder, is that benzodiazepines are, in my experience, essential.
 
The euphoria is pretty short lived. I would say closer to 30 minutes for a 40-50mg dose. I strangly haven't experienced the paranoia that some have mentioned but I'm not the paranoid kind. Nor have I developed psychosis from the stuff but I haven't bindge on it enough to actually get to thaat point I don't think. Anxiety is a different story though. The anxiety and dread is there after the positive effects start to wear off much like the above poster mentioned. To me, this substtance is really reminds me alot of cocaine.
 
DistyBoi said:
Its weird how people find it odd to get so many side effects when a prescribed dose of this medication (methyl variety basically the same) is 10mg. Start with nearly 10x the prescribed dose at 80mg, and binging on it till you get to a gram in a session is 100x more dosage-wise than a doctor would likely ever prescribe! Theres a fucking good reason for that.

I think this is great as a study aid or a work toold @ 10-30mg, but recreational doses that some people are doing of this will likely leave you mildly depressed for a week or two, kill your sex drive, maybe give you paranoia or psychosis and you will become hugely tolerant very quickly.
Click to expand...

this if you are looking for a drug to get amped up on, or find mass euphoria; this doesn't look like the drug to be spending much time pursuing, with all the alternatives

still have yet to try, need to find time for my dopamine receptor recovery
 
Has anyone else noticed an anaesthetic effect from using this? Snorting the stuff hurts less and less the more lines are done, and the drip definitely numbs the tongue and gums. I'm wondering if ethylphenidate has anaesthetic properties or if the stuff I bought has been cut with something which does.

One last observation: I've used this stuff for 3 days now, and it seems that the more I've used, the gentler the comedowns have become. Anyone else found that? I did take 15mg diazepam yesterday though, which could be responsible for softening the blow of today's ethylphenidate comedowns...
 
Stratofortress: yes to both. The gentle comedown thing is particularly notable. The first one was crushing, relentless anxiety, depressive self-loathing, restlessness etc. The rest have been basically fine. I think the highs have been less good, as well, though. Suspect it has something to do with dopamine and I should give it a rest with the DRIs for a while.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top