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Is the Ket and LSD mix completely safe at normal doses of ket?

Physically safe yes. I have no doubt there's potential for mental fukkery though. Probably emotional fukkery too for that matter. It can be really quite intense. I'd suggest starting at significantly lower than your standard amount of ket and see how it goes. There's a fair amount of... maybe not actual potentiation but you certainly feel it more than you would without the acid. Can be quite overwhelming - Ego Death is quite the experience and seems to be relatively common with LSD + ketamine given how rare it is in general. If any combo is likely to bring it on LSD + K would be a strong contender.
 
I've literally never thought of that combo before and it just sounds amazing. I've got zero experience with acid though I have a tab I'm waiting on to take so maybe getting ketted on my first time tripping isn't such a sound idea haha.
 
Oh Bugger, decided against the booze in favour of finishing off my joint (I smoke pure weed, so a joint lasts me a few days). Unfortunately, it seems that I indulged more than I thought last night and the bloody thing is all smoked out.

I could roll another, but it will take me at least 15 minutes and that's if I can find my rolling pen. No pen = no joint.

I just tried a bit of weed in my old bong and it tastes like absolute arse. So bad that the mission has officially been aborted. I never knew that empty bongs go off. You live and learn eh?

So, Raas, looks like the wine wins. This time.
 
I've literally never thought of that combo before and it just sounds amazing. I've got zero experience with acid though I have a tab I'm waiting on to take so maybe getting ketted on my first time tripping isn't such a sound idea haha.

I really wouldn't recommend it for those with no experience with acid. You'll want to work up to it by getting yourself familiar with acid itself first. The combination really is a lot more intense than either drug separately and is generally seen as fairly "advanced" tripping - tripping is not a thing you really want to get too far ahead of yourself with cos it can bite you. Get yourself familiar and comfortable with acid with a good few - the more the better really - trips under your belt before thinking of adding ketamine or comboing it with anything would be my advice. Acid is quite the experience all by itself and certainly doesn't require additional anything. Save the ket for when you are totally comfortable with both drugs separately under a range of conditions - it's such a good combo you really don't want to spoil it by indulging too soon. Patience and practice are well rewarded when it comes to swirlsome activities.
 
Physically safe yes. I have no doubt there's potential for mental fukkery though. Probably emotional fukkery too for that matter. It can be really quite intense. I'd suggest starting at significantly lower than your standard amount of ket and see how it goes. There's a fair amount of... maybe not actual potentiation but you certainly feel it more than you would without the acid. Can be quite overwhelming - Ego Death is quite the experience and seems to be relatively common with LSD + ketamine given how rare it is in general. If any combo is likely to bring it on LSD + K would be a strong contender.
I've literally never thought of that combo before and it just sounds amazing. I've got zero experience with acid though I have a tab I'm waiting on to take so maybe getting ketted on my first time tripping isn't such a sound idea haha.


It has intrigued me too. When I can get my hands on some ket I think I'll give it a go as I like acid and love k holing. I'll often feel pretty euphoric on the emergence from a k hole so I imagine that would play nicely into the hands of acid.

When I've hit the stage of not quite knowing if I'm alive/exist on ket before it was somewhat overwhelming but at the same time I didn't feel anything that would resemble fear.

What do you mean by ego death Mr S?
 
The B&D Ego Death Thread for all your Ego Death-based needs. Well, some of them at least. If you have a wander through that thread you'll probably see why it's a difficult thing to try to explain in a few sentences - I don't think there's a fully-agreed and accepted description of it at all yet and many people have quite different ideas about what constitutes Ego Death or even if it exists. I tend to have quite a high bar set for what I would describe as Ego Death - there are those who use the term simply to describe a strong psychedelic experience (or even an entirely average one) but that is not what it is - that is simply a strong psychedelic experience.

For me the name itself is a big clue to how it is. I would roughly describe it as a state (not necessarily chemically-induced but often is - I'm sure meditation and breathing techniques could induce it too) where a person loses all sense of Self and separation. People often report feeling connected to "everything" but an Ego Death experience goes that bit further because there is no "you" - there is only Everything and that is all you are aware of being. I wouldn't be able to actually describe what happened on the occasions I consider myself to have experienced this state for a number of reasons - it's hard to make language fit with the actual experience as can be seen from some of the debates and discussions within the thread. It's hard not to use words subjectively - to speak of 'I' and 'myself' even when describing a state characterised by an absence of Self. It's really quite counterintuitive and some people don't believe such a state is possible because it is so very counterintuitive and will pick up on the use of language as evidence for the presence of Self - how could you possibly explain something you are not a part of? I tend to be of the opinion they need to take more psyches and stop being so pernickity given there are any number of disclaimers given about how language does not fit properly with the actual experience so it can only ever be the vaguest of loose approximations at best.

I could say that 'I' ceased to be at precisely the moment 'I' realised I had always existed and was all that did exist or could ever exist. I could also see how that sounds nonsensical, contradictory and frankly ridiculously poncy. It's about as close as I could get to explaining in a sentence though. It affected me quite deeply. As it started to fade I became aware of being distinctly wet around the face region. Apparently the bit of me I was completely unaware of was not unaware of whatever and wherever the rest of me was and was moved to tears over... whatever and wherever it had glimpsed.

It is a thing I would recommend if only there were any ways to know if and when it was likely to occur. There is no recipe for creating the state, but LSD + K does seem to be a better bet than most. Obviously both are powerful drugs that can produce a wide range of effects but I would say I've taken the combo dozens of times and only once experienced what I would call Ego Death. It's an effect quite distinct and different to the effects of any drug or drugs I know of. It may be brought on by drugs - and it may well be brought on by other practices and it may well happen spontaneously at times too - but it is not a direct effect of any drug or drugs in my view.

I'll stop waffling now but you can perhaps see why it has it's own B&D thread dedicated to it.
 
Cheers I'll have a look at the thread a little later on.

Can't say I've ever gone through what you're trying to put into words but sounds like something I'd love to experience. I know it can be almost frustrating, trying to describe something that even the most skilled poet with an infinite knowledge of language and word dexterity wouldn't scratch the surface of :D

Can you remember what kind of doses you played around with? Not for the ego death specifically, just for the combo in general. Sometimes when taking ket at lower mg's I'll redose a bit too excitedly and accidentally reach a weird intermediate stage between low dose and k hole dose, and it leaves me in a mental state I don't particularly enjoy - so I'd want to avoid that on acid. As odd as it may sound I'm much more comfortable with ket in the 200mg+ regions than the 100-200mg region.
 
I don't think my doses would be of much interest or use to others given my stupidly high dissociative tolerance. They are quite meaningless to anybody else really. I mostly take acid in the 300-500ug range and my ketamine doses were "normal" for me (as in comparable to what I'd take without the acid). Probably a lil lower than if it were a straight-up ket session as I wouldn't be looking to hole as such. I'm not quite sure how holing works with acid involved and don't think it ever happened. I think maybe the general stimulation from the acid makes it difficult to hole in the same way you can with K alone. Alternatively, I haven't been able to hole properly in years due to tolerance issues so it could just be that. Has been a while since I've done the combo as I can't get acid or ket at the moment.

I'd probably suggest going with whatever a normal acid dose is for you and maybe start with about half your normal K dose. Would probably work out well starting at a lower acid dose and "normal" K dose but I suspect you'd be wanting the acid to be the dominant aspect and tailor ket dosing to fit around it. I could imagine large doses of ketamine could (sort of) block the effect of acid - overwhelm it and make it feel more like you'd just taken the ketamine. As with any combos, you'll probably find you fiddle about with ratios to suit your own tastes.
 
4-FA yesterday, altho in lower doses, seemed better that way for some reason, used to be a big first dose was key, feeling fine today but a lil bit tired... lil house party later, shame theres no speed left but booze will do... and maybe more funky 4
 
Fiddle it will be.

My initial train of thought was to see the effect acid has while inside a k hole, as that's the only time I ever really take ket. No tolerance so it's always easy to dive into one.

Shame I've no access to ket or I'd start the experiment tonight :(
 
Rarely drink a lot these days and never just alone without chems...forgot quite how nice it is to get ratted solely on JD and coke on ice in the sunshineeeeeeeeeeeee;)
 
OK so I took a couple etizolam and drank a few 9% beers this morning and I had to go to this place the job center people told me to go to, it's a 2 week course or something.

I can't even remember what I did there or afterwards all I remember is sitting there watching videos on my phone laughing and the instructor lady bitch telling me not to come in drunk next time.

bitch pls im hardcore.


Now I just looked at my phone videos and I see I flooded their toilets and stole every toilet paper roll and somehow managed to stuff them into my pockets.
What the fuck.
 
What the fuck.

OK so I took a couple etizolam and drank a few 9% beers this morning

I do believe you answered your own question. Nice work though - flooding the toilets and stealing all the toilet paper adds that extra touch of be-benzo'd class to what would otherwise be mere drunkenness. You might want to be careful indulging in too much booze 'n' blooze antickery at such things though cos they will cut or stop your payments. You not only have to turn up to those things but also take part and get a good write-up from whoever is running the course. But in the meantime, your post tickled me immensely =D

(yes, i am both bored and easily pleased)
 
<3 plmar....pure class and I mean that sincerely. Personally next time I would take a screwdriver have the air freshener squirty thing off the wall and anything else I could get my hands on.=D
 
^ Don't tempt me please because I might do more than that :)

I do believe you answered your own question. Nice work though - flooding the toilets and stealing all the toilet paper adds that extra touch of be-benzo'd class to what would otherwise be mere drunkenness. You might want to be careful indulging in too much booze 'n' blooze antickery at such things though cos they will cut or stop your payments. You not only have to turn up to those things but also take part and get a good write-up from whoever is running the course. But in the meantime, your post tickled me immensely =D

(yes, i am both bored and easily pleased)
They haven't been paying me anyway. I got pay sanctioned for a month which has passed now but I've been with them for about 3-4 months and only been paid for a total of 2 weeks?

Fuck them they deserve everything that's coming to them if I get pissed again. I don't know why I even bother with their course I could be doing some dead-end 9 to 5 and take a couple b's to make the day pass a lot quicker and get a proper salary, not waste my time going to this shit.
 
Who's getting on the alcohol?????
Come on guys I've wine here so back in an hour n let's get going!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Evey
I got a fat bottle waiting for me but I don't know if it's allowed to be posted here? I wanna upload a pic.
 
They haven't been paying me anyway. I got pay sanctioned for a month which has passed now but I've been with them for about 3-4 months and only been paid for a total of 2 weeks?

Fuck them they deserve everything that's coming to them if I get pissed again. I don't know why I even bother with their course I could be doing some dead-end 9 to 5 and take a couple b's to make the day pass a lot quicker and get a proper salary, not waste my time going to this shit.

I recall you having problems in getting your payments and you have my sympathies - that sanctioning bizniz is an absolute disgrace. I do think you may be overestimating how much grief you are actually causing by turning up drunk and nicking bog roll in comparison with having your benefits stopped though. The people who run the courses aren't even part of the DSP they're private companies who get paid whatever state you turn up in. You are the only one who will lose out financially. Unless they're toilet facilities are well-stocked enough for you to set up a profitable sideline in second hand toilet paper perhaps.

I totally understand the frustration and feeling there's no point in trying to play the game cos the game is rigged - I (and indeed more or less anybody with history of benefits claims) have been there and done that many a time - but I think you'll find there is not only no possibility of winning a rigged game but there's not even any real satisfaction to be had in breaking the board and stealing the pieces cos it only ever ends up with you losing out even more than you would've done otherwise. It's horrid being on benefits - and it's all but inconceivable how they expect people to live when they won't even pay out basic benefits that are supposed to be the barest minimum possible to live on - but unless you happen to have a job to walk into or a rich benefactor waiting in the wings you're gonna have to deal with the system until one of those things is in place and anybody who has been in the benefits system for any length of time will likely advise to just put up with having to do stupid courses and be patronised and be messed about and generally treated like scum. That is how the system works and it's the only game in town however rigged it may be. It's better than begging.

Not that any of it is my bizniz but it's not nice to think of anybody being stuck in quite such dire financial straits and I can't help myself from pointing out that turning up to DSP courses intoxicated is only gonna make your financial situation even worse than it is and I can barely believe you've managed so far given the harshness of sanctioning you've been on the receiving end of every step of the way. There is no winning with the DSP - you really do have to toe the line or get nothing. I realise that doesn't mean a great deal when nothing is what you've become used to receiving and hope things get better soon <3
 
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