The EADD aMT Thread ver: 2

[ugh1979]

Seriously? I didn't know it was neurotoxic at all. Is there any evidence of this? Also, is neurotoxicity from MDMA/MDA etc. even noticeable in the grand scheme of things? Is it bad enough to be relevant? I've hammered both, and not noticed any problems. Surely depression would be the first thing you'd notice? Nice to have an ADDer in here to answer some questions.

Some interesting further reading on the topic in this archive BL thread: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/archive/index.php/t-475037.html

 

[Treacle]

It pretty much shows AMT is one of the strongest inhibitors of monoamine re-uptake and one of the strongest releasers of monoamines

This was quoted by PepperSocks from the link above. F&B, you've said on a few occasions that it has about the same MAOI activity as amphetamine (not a lot). What's the score?

 

[Medi57]

The reason MDMA doesn't work on SSRIs is because the MDMA needs to enter the synapse through the transporters that the SSRI is blocking.

Have you got any further reading on this mate? I've never heard it before and it sounds worth checking out

 

[nuke]

Seriously? I didn't know it was neurotoxic at all. Is there any evidence of this?

It is a monoamine releaser of all three monoamines and a 5HT agonist, it would be fairly unlikely it would not be a neurotoxin. It is known that aET is probably a neurotoxin and has been found to cause depletion of serotonin. It's additionally probably very prone to oxidation to form diones which cause radical reactions in neurons and destroy mitochondria, hence also destroying cells.

Also, is neurotoxicity from MDMA/MDA etc. even noticeable in the grand scheme of things? Is it bad enough to be relevant? I've hammered both, and not noticed any problems. Surely depression would be the first thing you'd notice? Nice to have an ADDer in here to answer some questions.

Mostly it damages verbal recall actually, the other things like causing depression and anxiety only seem to occur with enormous amount of MDMA or methamphetamine. Additionally in some people it causes no real problems aside from damage of a few different cognitive parameters, but yeah, depression isn't necessarily a side effect of neurotoxins.

 

[Treacle]

Have you got any further reading on this mate? I've never heard it before and it sounds worth checking out

I've not got a link for you, but there will definitely be some reading on here, if you do a search. Possibly have a Google, as well.

Nuke: Cheers for the information.

 

[Jabberwocky]

this looks like a 'legal high' worth trying... does anybody know if you buy it online, you're likely to get random shit or is it fairly standard?

i have no experience of this internet buying because from what i've read on this forum, its generally not worth it. as i'm in a bit of a state of desperation i'm seriously considering it. everything i've read is to do with 6-apb though so i'm wondering if with less hyped chemicals like this you're less likely to get ripped off? or should i just expect to throw money away but perhaps get lucky?

 

[ugh1979]

this looks like a 'legal high' worth trying... does anybody know if you buy it online, you're likely to get random shit or is it fairly standard?

i have no experience of this internet buying because from what i've read on this forum, its generally not worth it. as i'm in a bit of a state of desperation i'm seriously considering it. everything i've read is to do with 6-apb though so i'm wondering if with less hyped chemicals like this you're less likely to get ripped off? or should i just expect to throw money away but perhaps get lucky?

Not worth buying legal drugs online? Maybe if you are talking about the 6-apb farce and all the shitty vendors trying to make a quick buck, but apart from that it's generally all good. I stopped buying drugs anywhere but online years ago and I've never been let down or disappointed.

You just need to make sure you buy from decent vendors but of course, we can't go into how you find out who is good and who isn't here so you'll need to look into that somewhere else.

Also, AMT is one drug that is pretty easy to tell if it's genuine or not by how it looks and smells.

 

[Jabberwocky]

hmmm yeah maybe i should look up how it should look and smell...

any idea where else i could look? or is that counted as sourcing too (i like this site so don't wanna be booted off!!). i read that you should look for places that actually are research chemical sellers rather than 'legal high vendors' but the ones i've found, which selll loooooads of stuff, don't actually sell any of the ones worth buying.... which makes sense given i don't think scientists really do research on this stuff!

 

[ashtray girl]

The freebase seems to be fairly standard, consistent quality and always aMT rather than whatever they have lying around. The HCl has varied reports, from absolute shit to decent.

 

[Myshkin]

You're on the right track, pretty much. After all, anybody with a shred of sense or dignity is going to buy what is (let's not forget) a fairly long-lasting and potentially physically taxing psychedelic from somebody who's making money off Jolly Green Mad Monkey Wave, or whatever.

The rather sinsister irony, of course, is that every time it's mentioned on this forum, Mr. Jolly Cat Dust takes notice, followed eventually (but inevitably) by Mr. Murdoch (or associates).

Ah well.

 

[ugh1979]

The freebase seems to be fairly standard, consistent quality and always aMT rather than whatever they have lying around. The HCl has varied reports, from absolute shit to decent.

I've not read any reports of the HCl that is in the UK at the moment being absolute shit. Maybe not as good as the freebase yeah, but not shit. Far from it.

 

[ashtray girl]

I've read reports of people taking 60-80mg for effects that you would expect from 25-35mg of freebase. I'd call that shit.

 

[Myshkin]

I've not read any reports of the HCl that is in the UK at the moment being absolute shit. Maybe not as good as the freebase yeah, but not shit. Far from it.

I'll second that. I'm a little dubious about some of the more negative reports, to say the least.

 

[ugh1979]

I've read reports of people taking 60-80mg for effects that you would expect from 25-35mg of freebase. I'd call that shit.

I think a lot of that is to do with the person. Is it not more like 60mg HCl = 50mg freebase?

It's very hard to say unless someone has tried both as AMTs dose and subsequent effects can't really be compared with any reliability between different people. I have friends who just need to look at the HCl AMT that i've had and become absolutely wasted of it. Lucky bastards! :D

 

[Myshkin]

Subjectivity. Don't you just love it?

 

[ashtray girl]

I agree with what you say about subjective experience, which is why I'm getting a sample of the hcl to compare.

Maybe it is just one or two vendors selling badly stored hcl, who knows. At least with the base I know what I am getting (until they all start jumping on the bandwagon, at least).

 

[Myshkin]

Maybe it is just one or two vendors selling badly stored hcl, who knows.

Quite possibly. I also wouldn't be too quick to discount the fact that a few reports came from former meph-heads who'd never taken psychs before. To say nothing of the fact that EADD can be just a little macho sometimes... personally I'd trust some of the stated doses on some trip reports as much as I'd trust a guy to tell the truth about the size of his cock.

At least with the base I know what I am getting (until they all start jumping on the bandwagon, at least).

I dread that day. Till then, enjoy making the comparison!

 

[Chatative]

Quite possibly. I also wouldn't be too quick to discount the fact that a few reports came from former meph-heads who'd never taken psychs before. To say nothing of the fact that EADD can be just a little macho sometimes... personally I'd trust some of the stated doses on some trip reports as much as I'd trust a guy to tell the truth about the size of his cock.

To be fair, on the meph head side of things I don't think there is any reason for people to make up the doses they are taking - sure some may not be measuring their doses very well but that's not the same thing. No names mentioned here

As for the newbie part... well sure we can't be as subjective without having tried other psychs... but I sure as hell know what aMT does to me and what it doesn't

I've had two lots of HCl so far... they seemed fairly potent but I'm new to psyches so... hard to say but 45mg did have some very nice visuals for me. I think one lot was slightly less potent than the other though, because the second lot I got smelled much more (still not excessively) and tasted rank. Don't get me wrong, the first lot still tasted of arse... it just didn't make me gag.

Would have to guess that poor storage is probably the culprit... I know my second lot was from a newly synthed batch, so perhaps the first was the tail end of a batch... can only guess really.

 

[linked]

I'm a little dubious about some of the more negative reports, to say the least.

I would agree with this. I've noticed some vendors strongly touting the freebase nature of their product, seems to go hand in hand with these "HCl is shit" comments.

 

[InternetMuse]

I was a complete newbie to aMT, but have in the past few months since it has become available had it about half a dozen times - all from the 'cement grey' HCl batch that was going around - and can put my hand up to say that it is the absolute bomb! By far my new favourite substance of choice, even above MDMA at the moment because there is no gamble and I know exactly what I will be getting.

Sure, things might be more potent in other batches; but this stuff is hardly poor quality. 60-70mg will have you well and truly spangled for a good 6 hours I do find myself redosing quite a bit with this stuff though, even with diminishing returns. Can't really complain, as I'm redosing to maintain the euphoria!

One thing that I haven't seen anybody mention though, is that this grey batch has little pebbles that can be broken down into a tan-coloured crystal. Anybody care to explain to me why the different colours in a batch like this?