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The Drug's in the Mail - The Silk Road and our very own Tronica!

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Interesting articles Tronica, thanks
What chance do we have of ever getting drug legislation even talked about in a sensible way when we have people like this.....

Anyone can trump up recommendations on a web site. Still, I can't believe why people would stoop to this level to order illegal things.
If there is one reason why people shouldn't do it, it's for the reason that is described below, the recent incident in the US
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<<<<<links to the Miami face eating zombie thingy incident

and.........

@AM in addition to marijuana making otherwise peaceful people engage in bizarre, violent acts, i think the more serious issue is that the sale of marijuana funds terrorism. it disgusts me that people can be given a caution for the possession of marijuana, when they should really be charged with treason
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What the?

Although I was surprised the majority of comments were in favour of decriminalising drugs, but then only a few comments and Id hazard a guess they were made by people from Bluelight lol

Seems like the complete ignorance of the general population about drugs and users is staggering! If only they knew the person banking their money at the local bank or the nice man/woman giving them advice on where they should go on holiday could in fact be a drug user.
 
just read the comments on there again, they mostly seem to be in favour of a drug policy change, many more positive comments than stupid ones as far as i read anyway. :)
 
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Thanks poledriver. I find most drug comments on Fairfax media are in favour of drug law reform... not quite the same if the comments are on the tabloids' websites though (eg. herald sun!).

mister - I know I'm preaching to the converted here but thought you might be interested in this campaign by AIVL about drug-user stigma. I have not yet watched the film with an anti-drug person - that would be interesting as it is likely to be confronting to them... but perhaps these kinds of campaigns are one way of challenging the stigma out in the community about 'drug users'.
 
I was reading this article here http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10826287 it would suggest NZ police have been door knocking which would scare me enough not to try it again. Only because I live at me parents if I lived by myself I really would't feel vulnerable at all if my house was clean.

How can they pin a delivery on you I mean how can they prove one of your enemies didn't mail you Cocaine to frame you? I guess they would need more evidence huh.

Anyway NZ customs pulling around 80 packages a month.
 
thanks, and yeah i know what you mean about living with family and by ones self, i agree. I guess they would need more evidence, like raiding your computer(s) and looking for bit coin activity and or Tor website access? Im not too sure.

I'm going to add this over in drugs in the media, cheers.
 
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mister - I know I'm preaching to the converted here but thought you might be interested in this campaign by AIVL about drug-user stigma. I have not yet watched the film with an anti-drug person - that would be interesting as it is likely to be confronting to them... but perhaps these kinds of campaigns are one way of challenging the stigma out in the community about 'drug users'.
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Thanks Tronica, I think that video is very well done :)
 
Wouldn't it be great to get it on the commercial prime-time stations? It would probably blow their mind...

@8ft-sativa, living with parents is a pretty solid reason to avoid drugs arriving via the post... could get a little tricky to explain if the wrong person opens your mail!
 
I like the concept but I think it was employed in an amateur manner with contrived acting and poor directing. None the less, I'm glad to see it, even if it is aesthetically/surface levelly flawed
 
for those who think its safe ordering relatively small amounts from SR thinking the plod wont come knocking.............

From his Morrinsville home, Daniel Marsom, 18, accessed an "anonymous marketplace" website to shop for drugs with his mate Symon Cook, 19.

Last year the Wintec students found a single click could bring 50 ecstasy tablets to their doorstep, which they could sell to their mates for five times what they paid.

“It was way too easy,” Cook said. “That's why it got so huge.”

The pair were a new breed of drug dealer. No dark alley or nightclub, just a computer screen in a bedroom.

Customs is fighting a battle against online dealers who, at the click of a button, can have packages containing a range of drugs delivered to the door from overseas.

Figures show Class-A drug seizures are on the rise, with more finds so far this year than in all of 2011. “Anonymous marketplace” websites, where you can buy drugs with alternative currency, litter the internet.

“We're not talking about people who have grown up shoplifting and doing burglaries, there is a different kind of person coming into the market,” Customs drug investigations head Mark Day said.

The security of the sites, and the use of a digital currency known as "Bitcoins", mean buyers are all but untraceable until the drugs arrive, just as they were after Cook ordered. But he heard footsteps and saw armed police and Customs officers arriving too.

Over the previous five weeks, Customs had intercepted eight packages containing 181 ecstasy tablets, 1.1 grams of the psychedelic drug 2C-B, and two grams of heroin. All of the packages were destined for the house where Cook lived with his family.

It became clear that was the tip of the iceberg when Customs found 61 empty packages in his room.

Cook admitted he and Marsom used a website to import drugs, which they used themselves and sold on to friends. He told officers that over the last six months of 2011 he had received about 50 packages containing on average 20 MDMA tablets. With their mark-up, they had made about $40,000.

At the end of last month, Judge David Ruth sentenced them both to 300 hours of community work and a year's home detention - the maximum he could impose.

Ruth said the offending was more than just a one-off “computer geek” experience, but he was satisfied they had been scared straight by the prospect of prison.

Marsom - who Ruth described as “academically gifted” - said the real punishment was the conviction and the restrictions it might place on his future.

He said the offending had spiralled out of control and was done to increase their popularity, rather than for financial gain. “It's not like Mr Asia, we were more like Spongebob and Patrick,” he said.

Their naivety was their downfall, but he had a sobering message for Customs. “This is happening all over New Zealand a lot. Customs aren't able to stop it. Bitcoins and the website are secure and untraceable, but what's not are telephones and texts - and that's how we got caught.”

Auckland police drugs officer, Detective Senior Sergeant Chris Cahill, said the new dealers were mainly younger professionals or students who focused on importing drugs known as "bath salts" or "analogues", which appeared to be taking the place of ecstasy. But eventually gangs took notice, he said, and they resented dealers on their turf. “If you lie down with dogs you wake up with fleas.”

Customs examines an average of about 5000 to 7000 international mail items a month.
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7505130/We-were-more-Spongebob-than-Mr-Asia

Although this is NZ and not Aus I do believe the police will start knocking on doors for smaller amounts as the popularity of SR grows
 
I might of read it wrong, but that didn't sound like 'relatively small amounts'...

Thank you for posting all these SR related articles tho, i love reading about them.

I guess everyone should be careful with illegal drugs in any scenario, people get and take large amounts to clubs, raves, friends houses and all sorts, ordering off the net and ordering off a dealer on the streets/clubs/raves and or houses can be just as unsafe and get you a bad record if caught, especially if you are getting - '50 ecstasy tablets, which they could sell to their mates for five times what they paid'.

'over the last six months of 2011 he had received about 50 packages containing on average 20 MDMA tablets.'

^ That just sounds stupid and asking to be caught imo.
 
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poledriver said:
I might of read it wrong, but that didn't sound like 'relatively small amounts'...

Thank you for posting all these SR related articles tho, i love reading about them.

I guess everyone should be careful with illegal drugs in any scenario, people get and take large amounts to clubs, raves, friends houses and all sorts, ordering off the net and ordering off a dealer on the streets/clubs/raves and or houses can be just as unsafe and get you a bad record if caught, especially if you are getting - '50 ecstasy tablets, which they could sell to their mates for five times what they paid'.

'over the last six months of 2011 he had received about 50 packages containing on average 20 MDMA tablets.'

^ That just sounds stupid and asking to be caught imo.
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EDIT: no probs, glad you like reading about SR. Its certainly fascinating stuff

181 ecstasy tablets, 1.1 grams of the psychedelic drug 2C-B, and two grams of heroin
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<< thats about a good night out for me lol, in all seriousness yeah I suppose they wernt THAT small lol, I suppose I thought it was small compared to when you read about the silly amounts people have ordered from SR.

I wonder if the intercepted packages were allowed to go through, or were they confiscated? it brings up the possibility that if someone ordered from SR and unbeknown to them customs confiscated it, the buyer thought they were either scammed or it got lost in the mail so they order again, effectively doubling the amount ordered. How would that play out in court? could they say that they only ordered more because they thought the first package was lost? they were kinda coerced in re-ordering by customs.

Also some of the vendors on SR offer partial or full re-ships or refunds on packages that do not arrive, this encourages buyers to risk ordering again.

And in the end they were 18 and 19, kids really, $45,000 profit is a VERY big carrot.

“We're not talking about people who have grown up shoplifting and doing burglaries, there is a different kind of person coming into the market,” Customs drug investigations head Mark Day said.
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yep ordinary people will now get possibly arrested or worse, way to go prohibition!!

Figures show Class-A drug seizures are on the rise, with more finds so far this year than in all of 2011
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That probably means more drugs are obviously being ordered by more people

Good to see the war on drugs is working "snigger snigger"
 
Thanks for posting, mister.

I like this comment:
Auckland police drugs officer, Detective Senior Sergeant Chris Cahill, said the new dealers were mainly younger professionals or students who focused on importing drugs known as "bath salts" or "analogues", which appeared to be taking the place of ecstasy. But eventually gangs took notice, he said, and they resented dealers on their turf. “If you lie down with dogs you wake up with fleas.”
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It's a good observation - one I've heard a bit here too - that organised crime will notice if some random folks just start selling large quantities and you might be in more trouble than you bargained for. However it's interesting that Cahill appears to be using the threat of violence by organised crime as a deterrent for would-be sellers. Should the police be targeted organised crime rather than siding with them? It's a bit like 'kids, leave this to organised crime, they know what they're doing'. A slip of the tongue that may indicate the hidden collaborative nature of the relationship between police and organised crime?

Perhaps, but I'm merely speculating :)
 
yes good points, some people might start small and order 'smaller' amounts and think that because they are using a service that is supposedly anonymous that they wont get caught, and even if a few 'orders' get through to them via 'trusted' sellers on that site that they will have no worries for the next order(s), but infact, even the smaller orders may bet let through and 'watched' for when an order goes to them that is above a certain level or amount or that all of the so called small deliveries might be all taken into consideration in a bust scenario.

The other thing for NZ'ers and possibly here in Aus, people may get overly keen to order potent drugs from OS sellers and then they risk the prospect of importation and or commercial supply or dealing charges if they go over a certain amount and get caught. I wouldn't be surprised if we hear more and more of busts via this kind of site, and other sites similar if they pop up, if they haven't already.

The war on drugs will never end as far as i can see, too many interests from too many parties to just legalise all drugs, so there will always be this problem of people having their lives effected/tainted/ruined by trying to get drugs to have a good time or make a small, quick, tax free buck or whatever.

Stay safe peeps and think about the consequences i guess.

edit> good points i was referring to mister, but tronica got in above me with some more good points.
 
Also the value of Bitcoin has risen and dropped dramatically over the last few weeks. Im not sure if I read this right or not but the cause of this is due to someone called Pirate@40 running an investment scheme for Bitcoin, offering weekly interest of 7%.

Pirate@40 is believed to have amassed a small fortune and days ago announced he/she was closing the scheme and paying out all of the investors which I think can effect the value, also theres talk that Pirate@40 could POSSIBLY abscond with all the money ($500,000).

Also Pirate@40 is rumoured to be no other than SR's Dread Pirate Roberts, Im sure Ive read that somehow Pirate@40 Bitcoin account can be linked to SR. This makes sense as DPR is one very smart person.

I will read more about this and try to understand whats going on.

The plot thickens
 
Sorry i've looked through the recent posts but didn't see what i was looking for - Is Silk Road still trading? I have a fried who has made some pretty crazy claims of using it and getting REALLY high quality (Much higher than black market) gear at prices that beat the local market too! I don't want prices, but its just so incredible that this is happening?

My question is does anyone know FIRST HAND (not an article, i mean an actual first hand experience) of anyone getting busted - and if so how did it go down?

And most importantly is Silk Road still running?

I hope these questions don't violate the Bluelight Rules


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